damnit lame oggenc heh dork ebay is afu atm if derek doesn't get me a bio soon I'll make one up anyone wanna help with that? 'raised by packs of wild penguins and gnus in the deserts of Arizona Derek learned to communicate with other humans via occassion access to IRC." dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. bonjour mouns bonjour LuftHans :) how do you say 'good evening' in French? Action: LuftHans learns a little at a time, but forgets in huge chunks... LuftHans: "good evening" is "bonsoir" or "bonne soirée" merci Arturas (~arturas@gsk.vtu.lt) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello Action: Arturas is away: I'm busy mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lupo__ (lupo@p5085F4C1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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GNU's is GFDL I've just found the "GNU Free Documentation License" .. if it's not that could someone correct me? ah cool, ta jcater some consider GFDL non-free though like debian oh there's another one that's popular too but the name escapes me :-/ Action: drochaid keeps gogling +o http://www.advogato.org/article/682.html touches on the debian issues ta ok, I was getting ready to attack debian for once again restricting freedom of use on the basis of maintaining "free" but that article makes some very good points, so I can't I'm upset now ;'( Action: jcater thwaps drochaid snap out of it, man! jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. bollocks, I'm going to attack debian anyway it's absolutely pathetic that organisations such as debian bitch about free vs non-free in their opinions and then work to exclude anything that doesn't match their own ludicrous standards from the core debian build exactly how is THAT action free? ah, but debian doesn't go on about "free", they have their "social contract" to abide by no one is forcing anyone to choose debian but they are restricting freedom by arbitrarily deciding what is and is not acceptable whine whine whine debian is nothing more than the sum of its community (which is a lot, btw) chillywilly, yes, debian do indeed whine a lot jcater, an not all agree with debians actions or opinions just because they make it their distro of choice R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3566.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. drochaid: you have the freedom to choose another distro ;) but not the freedom to install a core debian distro and get access to a number of components you're not going to get much sympathy here bashing debian what are you talking about? I've had no problem whatsoever installing non-free stuff on debian freedom does NOT mean "go somewhere else if you don't like it" I have oracle running on it right now acrobat reader win4lin jcater, ever bought a debian cd? ms office I've never used a premade cd to install debian, no they won't distribute a lot of "non-free" on them so? it's non-free by their definition their definition is pretty similar to the FSF in fact they were originally funded by FSF and a lot of people disagree with the FSF I applaud them for taking such a stand bit of a circular argument there well not a whole lot of people here well if you like hypocrisy, that's your choice I think you're real issue is with the FSF no, my real issue is with people/organisations that claim self-righteously to be free while at the same time restricting freedom and stop being lazy it is not like you can't find the apps you need freedom is not equal to doing whatever you want no, debian claims to be abiding by their social contract there's certain restrictions in "practical" freedom it ends where your nose begins ;) so to speak jcater: yea, which has some "restrictions" i.e., not distributing the non-free code on CD thanks chillywilly, that's exactly the attitude I expected from you I'd be upset if you let me down hmmm, is it even legal to do so anyway? drochaid: you're the one with teh suck attitude I make compromises all the time but I am not going to whine about some apps being on CD not being no, you just turned a discussion on attiudes on freedom to a personal atack, thanks debian doesn't make it at all difficult to install non-free stuff nope, I didn't it even asks during installation, "do you want access to non-free programs" there's nothing "personal" going on here select yes, then you can apt-get non-free stuff to your heart's content chillywilly, the second you mentioned me exclusively, you did right, you add one part to a string Action: jcater gets back to work... this whole discussion is moot RMS probably doesn't like that but I don't give a crap, you hace the option and that should be good enough lol Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Vee 'sup R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3566.tstt.net.tt) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) got netsplit. drochaid (~drochaid@pc1-kirk1-3-cust137.renf.cable.ntl.com) got netsplit. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. 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Action: chillywi1ly pokes jamest ;) they need to release 1.1final, darn it! heheh ;) you got the apt line jcater ? no I've been using the tarbal install into my home directory which I don't particularly like oh # Open Office... #deb http://www.mx1.ru/~chris/openoffice unstable main contrib #deb ftp://ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice unstable main contrib #deb-src ftp://ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice unstable main contrib deb http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/openoffice/ unstable main contrib #deb http://ftp.openoffice.tuxfamily.org/openoffice unstable main contrib thanks Vee np Action: chillywi1ly dreads doing an update ;P there's a lot of broken packages right now according to apt-listbugs wtf is the package name? I just see the old crap Note, selecting openoffice.org instead of openoffice.org1.1 bah openoffice 1.1 is not bad :) I think those are old packages Vee dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. wfm broke packages for this one: deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ woody main contrib bah my connection is sucking rocks ii openoffice.org 1.0.99+1.1rc-1 high-quality office productivity suite they need to add a --version option to the bins 1.1 RC3 is the latest Action: chillywi1ly goes for the tarball method *shrug* Action: dcmwai know Vee is outdated :D bah, this is a slow download well not really OO is freakin' big chillywi1ly, it is just about 50 MB :) 10 mins left 75MB HAr? so big 1.1rc3 is 75MB Woo... newfsy (~afdwe@adsl-186-212.cytanet.com.cy) joined #gnuenterprise. oh chillywi1ly When you finished downloading.. can you help me on something? chillywi1ly, Please check on issue zilla (openoffice) # 17192 This is bugging me and seem to only happen to me.. :( I don't really have time man chillywi1ly, please :0 chillywi1ly, No lah take your time... chillywi1ly, Just do it if you have time... dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out newfsy (~afdwe@adsl-186-212.cytanet.com.cy) left #gnuenterprise ("Client Exiting"). lupo__ (lupo@pD95421F4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lupo__ (lupo@p5085F085.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3566.tstt.net.tt) left irc: mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jber (~jber@client-104.stenhamra.adminor.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dcmwai is away: Sleeping, Good Night Nick change: dcmwai -> dcmwai|AWAY Hi all GNUe dev. all kinds of greetings to you, jber thanks can I apt-get all packages to have a look att the GNUe? I'm not sure the debs have been updated/uploaded yet the only think I saw was dcl_20020705-pre1_all.deb, but I guess thats not all.. if you just want to test GNUe, I'd recommending checking out the cvs... there's a script there to allow you to run GNUe's cvs version from your home directory without actually installing that sounds good hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm * Added support for which causes a field to default to the last value entered for new records interesting jamest and I both needed something like that me too that may solve the thing I was working on without needing to untangle the trigger firing order Can I use GNUe to send invoices? alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jber, that's relatively possible. If you have the invoice data in a db already, you can create an invoice template and mailmerge the data into invoice(s) and I think even email directly from gnue-reports.. I've only had very limited experience using gnue-reports though so I'm not exactly certain what the abilities are. alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit the thing is that (besides my employment)my firm has got a small installation to make, and I need tro be able to send invoices for that. if It work I would also (since I'm no koder, and would like to give back to the oss community) like to start a translation to Swedish of the GNUe Vee: that souns good, then I guess I have to have a look at the cvs script, is the instructions on the download page? http://www.gnuenterprise.org/community/cvs.html contains instructions for getting cvs version Vee: great thanks will look in to it now. I guess I should clarify that at the moment, only the GNUe tools have been created. GNUe proper I guess I would still describe as being in a state of planning. GNUe-SB (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue-sb/) on the other hand, is a project that was started to fill the gap by using the tools to create an application which will meet the needs of most small businesses, sooner rather than later. But it too is not yet in an ready-to-use state. bbiab ok, I think I got the cvs thing going so I will have a look at it anyway ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" sorry got to go, my smallest just woke up, thanks! jber (~jber@client-104.stenhamra.adminor.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hello jcater: the prequery="Y" not the same as prepare query than exec query the first doesn't fires triggers hmm doesn't sets up scrollbars that's a bug yes btw. the gnue-commit list doesn't created my first scrollbar commits (wx) yeah I've made several commits this week that haven't shown up on gnue-commit yet and this mornign, some commits that I made several days ago finally showed up :( :) plus, I approved your gnue-announce message 8 hours ago but I still haven't seen it I guess gnu's mail servers are bogged down debsig-verify - Debian Package Signature Verification Tool $ debsig-verify /var/cache/apt/archives/debsig-verify_0.6_i386.deb debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. nice just checked several things, not of them appear to be signed, tried as root as well to see if it was a perms thing R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon417.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. LuftHans, do you have debian-keyring installed too? Vee: hmm, probably not and if that's the problem I wonder why debian-keyring is only a suggests instead a hard dependency.. if that fixes the prob I'll be submitting a bug report SUBMIT! [15:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). You dastardly bug report! [15:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). SUBMIT! :) :) nope, that didn't fix it, I'll look into it later gotta start doing audits with that and debsums it's starting to get hot in here.. Action: Vee ponders going home Action: jcater ponders beating his users with a steel bat you mean you haven't already written that into your SLA? debconf supports smileys, :( :) R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon417.tstt.net.tt) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@65-73-36-90.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection h2 (~h2@200.15.163.214) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-185.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.231) left irc: Remote closed the connection icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.231) joined #gnuenterprise. wow i'm slow i just realized that icltlfatppl was more than just a nick it's true, they really are fat. I would never tell them that, though. :) icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.231) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.237) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-129.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-42-231.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-42-231.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dcmwai|AWAY is back (gone 06:56:35) Nick change: dcmwai|AWAY -> dcmwai ToyMan (~stuq@65-73-36-90.bras01.mdl.ny.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" drochaid (~drochaid@pc1-kirk1-3-cust137.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-185.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). started to use gnucash 3 days ago to get the feel of it. No packages found matching gnuecash. hehe hey Vee2d2 howdy SachaS SachaS: I hope you have better luck than I jcater: do you mean technically better luck ? Shocking to see how much I spend on coffee, newspaper, lunch, dinner etc. I used it for about 6 weeks and gave up last week to try for something easier derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. LuftHans (~lufthans@wsip-68-107-221-207.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. it's a damn powerful program derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. LuftHans (~lufthans@wsip-68-107-221-207.ph.ph.cox.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. but the learning curve to get meaningful stuff out of it is too great imho plus it wasn't designed around the way people use such packages so I was going out of my way to get reports I needed of course, if reports were easier to write, that would've solved my problem then I could do whatever I wanted to do :) ok so the missing block for you was to make your own reports? I was err I would've stuck with it if I could easily do my own reports but would've still hated it if that makes sense Action: jcater was just wishing you luck w/your experience not really technical stuff ok. i will use it for a while and see how it goes. its not only to track my personal finances but a bit to see what business applications are available in the FS or OSS area. yeah, I wanted to try it for both I never got around to the business aspects though so those might be pretty good familyguy is such a fscked up show I like familyguy I didn't say it wasn't good it is just sick and twisted prolly 'cause it's a fscked up show :) is futurama back on adult swim now? I stopped watching when they took it off for the summer yea cool and familyguy those are usually the only two things I watch at night well I am not sure about futurama futurama is on right now uh oh derek's diggin in the source ;) hey that wiki bot sounded like a cool idea where is it? the emacs one? i think it could be really cool jcater: im religiously using gnucash oh yes HOWEVER its reporting SUCKS im going to look into authoring some of my own reports, but its hideous :( and the business side is no better from what i read on mail lists i.e. the invoices are hardcoded so you have to write a scheme program to change an invoice hum? dcmwai: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ErBot chillywi1ly: /me diggin in source is my indirect of challenging jamest/jcater to add features :) nothing for yuo to break atm? ;) derek: for how long do you use gnucahs?= jcater: how hard woudl it be to install the wiki/plus emacs bot Action: chillywi1ly uses gnucash SachaS: um 3 years? every day i used it for a year or so solid for a while now then stopped for 2 years and just started reusing it again Action: derek stopping using it was just me being lazy with finances not a gnucash problem ok :) derek: your doing all (familiy, car, loans) finances with gnucash? it is fun :) Action: dcmwai meant the bot... Action: dcmwai is away: Lunch Time.... Nick change: dcmwai -> dcmwai|AWAY SachaS: yeah jcater: what is your opinon on a wikibot? wiki wiki on second though.. what does that bot offer over say, a pynfo bot? which is written in python, btw. ;) Vee2d2: or bobot++ the debian bot one thing that intrigued me... is it appeared to recognize wiki (i dont know if the others do this) that is nice in 2 senses a. it appears you can "train" the bot and he will update Wiki b. users can update Wiki and the bot gets smarter night all since we are HEAVILY irc based this is good as we dont want to MAINTAIN a wiki but users have asked for something like that if its something where we could have a bot update things or get things from wiki for irc it might make wiki more "accepted" it has some cool google features and other things but probably thte most interesting (regardless of your lisp loving) is 1. it is an AI engine (the MIT kind) 2. its next version will make it basically a lisp interpreter which means you could do some cool stuff if you knew lisp ): that said he may not be best for us... i just played with him on #gnu and found him interesting (not to mention i thtought it might help those lobbying for a wiki) which until recently i have been somewhat against well, I dont know lisp, not familiar with that particular bot, and am still pretty vague on what exactly wikis are.. ;) But.. I'm guessing the bot would simply be an interface to a db... one which we could potentially feed with the KC's data to start and I'm all for it.. Nick change: SachaS -> Sacha_lunch --- Fri Aug 22 2003