dcmwai_ (~dcmwai@219.95.153.40) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: icltlfatppl is back (gone 07:09:53) any kde folks konw if there is a kicker applet to control sound volume? or any way to control sound volume in kde? Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek there is a kde sound mixer if you have that installed. or there is the mixer that comes with the drivers you are using, such as alsamixer or aumix kmix is the name of the kde one i can control it in xmms just it seems really loud in gnome there was a "sound" mixer on panel then volume in xmms derek: gmix works for me :) well, there should be a kde panel volume control as well. I think it installs on red hat kde systems by default. and other systems kmix? ajmitch: yeah, it's a pop/country station here in town hehe scary dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.153.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) no thats knix ;) LuftHans: you get confirmation of GNU Enterprise workshop in email? derek: yuppers Action: derek was going to do fancy GNU Enterprise report (mail merge) and have it auto send, but havent had chance however... i did input all the participants into gnue-sb contact manager and then queried postgres for the email addresses ;) LuftHans: so where do i send ics files of all plug meetings :) Action: derek is now an iCal fiend i.e. if i publish iCal of all the PLUG meetings will you or alan subscribe and keep the topics up to date and could we have the calendar on website read them...muhahaha actually i dont want to maintain them... so if someone else wants to make .ics files i would be happy derek: if you've got iCal stuff working send it to alan to put up on the PLUG web site I really want iCal feeds, but haven't looked into it s/want/need/ i love 'em maybe will put up and issue from AZOTO ;) derek: that would work i.e. AZOTO brings you Arizona Open Technology Events ;) derek: exactly one of the things I want :) which would include things like GNU Enterprise Workshops that are not part of plug :) derek: actually, what I want is to get all of the LUGs to do their own cals, then AZOTO can put them together derek: respond to my call for a web site, so I can respond to your response :) hmm i havent played that much not sure how hard it would be to merge them but that would be a cool idea it's gotta be possible to merge them, otherwise iCal is a waste of time, IMNSHO well in the client you can well, then the AZOTO site needs a client :) i.e. i grab say diamondbacks schedule, dvd release schedule and asu football schedule ical I know, you could rip the client stuff out of evo ;-) and then my personal schedule i can see those all at one time overlayed but i dont know if i could save them all "combined" and export to the neighbors_calendar and then have someone subscribe to that derek: it's just like re-exporting nfs, no prob. :) yes azoto needs web client to agreggate my thought was offerring calender "free software events in arizona" or such that's totally what we need, though derek: yup btw http://www.icalshare.com is kewlness I'd actually like to be able to offer several cals. for instance, have one be based on geographic region http://www.sfobug.org/ has them we need a 'Powered by Free Software' image for the AZOTO site Why not use a zoto? hum.. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.154.208) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai_ (~dcmwai@219.95.153.40) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.154.208) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.169.124) joined #gnuenterprise. hey, so regarding calendars, what is the consensus recommendation. I like ical, it does most of what I need. Mozilla calendar seems to support it, but it's buggy as hell and I'm not sure it will ever make it out of beta, based on the response I get from developers. Is there another calendar that is free software and supports ical? Preferrably, I would like a web-based ical format calendar. ? I don't know, I've been using text files for years because I didn't like calendar apps eating my schedules I recently started using evo for calendaring, did an upgrade and it ate my calendar :( luckily downgrading brought the calendar back well, I would love to find one. I want a local app that has GUI and CLI that exports for web use I don't even need to be able to do updates via a web server, just read-only I love squirrelmail. I have IMAP set up, and I can use web or native clients. I think calendaring should be the same way. I have used their calenday, but it doesn't do ical yet. I've hated the short amount of time I've spent with squirrelmail the interface is OK, but it's still a web app Well, I use pine or emacs-MH most of the time, but it is damn handy to have a web alternative. phpgroupware! :) a non-web client could probably be hacked up with the use of its xml-rpc/soap stuff, if needed yeah, I use pine, except for for AZOTO since pine isn't Free Software :( dunno how fast such a thing would be Well, I have used phpgroupware and dcl, and for some reason, it just doesn't fit my work style. 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Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZzz dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.82.197) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Success jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) icltlfatppl: i dont know why so many people flock to request tracker dcl has issues, but request tracker sucked (last time i looked at it) ajmitch: if phpgroupware uses proper standards shouldnt have to use an xml/rpc against it i.e. squirrelmail is a good example by using IMAP which a gui client and squirrel can both understand they peacefully co-exist that would be how i envision calendaring working as well dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@xdsl-195-14-205-186.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@xdsl-195-14-205-186.netcologne.de) left irc: Client Quit derek, searching for a calendar? siesel (~jan@xdsl-195-14-205-186.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. using imap protocal? hi all hello siesel dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) I've something to ask you about the CK-Ledger. ok do you really try all that fucntion? I haven't really tested it myself, so I probably don't know... no it have something that we don't have, like bank, cashbook dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. trying to get it review and see how many work need to be done to get them in yes, you're right but right now, aria is going through a rewrite process, so many stuff will be freeze. aria is going to split the presentation interface and the coding system yes, but I think will make everything easier to extend. siesel, what are your role in gnue right now? dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) I think it would be interessting to compare the base system of CK-Ledger and arias, because I got the impression that they tried to be quite generic siesel, please don't compare... Aria will be on the down side :( I don't think so :) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel, hope so... if you f.e. look at their GUI, than arias is miles better Well that I do have to agree :) I'm working on appserver, and at many other places. did appserver have any things so that the web can be run? f.e. I need i18n'ed GNUe, so at the moment I try to make UNICODE the internal encoding of gnue I meant running a webbase... siesel, Thank you so much :) yes, there is a javascript client javascript client also :) Nice siesel, meeting anyproblem on UNICODE coding? heaps of problems ;) have a look at http://freezope2.nipltd.net/siesel/gnue-wiki/GNUeI18 for the actual status and todo for me the biggest issue at the moment is how to handle gettext i18n strings Action: dcmwai can never understand the todo list :) sorry, its a bit cryptic ;) gettext i18n strings? what is different from normal gettext? at the moment the _() macro returns strings encoded in the local encoding. that is ok for terminal output f.e. but for gui clients unicode output is needed. ... how about encode it to unicode before sending it out :) how we get xterm to be unicode? xterm can show f.e. utf-8, but that is not necessary. but gui clients like gtk2 or qt take utf-8 strings for all text output, labels etc. hey siesel... can gnue run on terminal? dcmwai: yes there is a curses interface. the curses interface is AFAIK a bit out of date. :( not out-of-date as much as not finished ah okay woo... Gnue is very BIG :) siesel, so what happen to the gtk2, qt stuff, do you meant, gnue (appserver) send text as local encoding and not unicode? thats not really related with appserver, its more an gnue-common, gnue-forms issue siesel, I'm running my linux on Chinese Enviroment :) and gnue-from always pop me for fonts.. yes, that will go away. you can try the gtk2 client and won't have that problem anymore, because it uses fontconfig or qt client or wx client (if you build wx for gtk2) gtk2 client? what is a gtp2 client I'm using a Rh9 which use gtk2 and the news is ... No more fonts dialog :) you can switch between different ui drivers for gnue-forms oh yes on the gnue.cong oh yes on the gnue.conf just by passing the -u wx/gtk2/qt/win32/curses option ? gfcvs -u gtk2 myclass.gfd sorry, have to go, bbl siesel (~jan@xdsl-195-14-205-186.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: dcmwai is away: I'm busy reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1249P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. lots of problems with mozilla calendar but lo and behold their developers never once told me "go read the fscking manual" never told me to submit funky bugs or leave them alone and actually solved the problem cool is there a channel? and actually admitted they had some bugs that needed fixing which is hilarious because evolution developers are like propreitary software developers so such thing as a bug I cant imagine a project that would deny the existence of bugs... ;) only "undocumented features" Vee: oh they are famous for it.... user: i start evolution and it melts my computer evo developer: um did you rtfm user: yes.. it doesnt have a melting computer FAQ evo developer: you should email the evo-developers peon user: isnt this the developer channel? evo developer: yes but we dont actually talk to users user: so you cant help me? evo developer: it's probably cause you dont have libmeltdownfoo v 25 installed user: i have version libmeltdownfoo v23 installed i tried to install v25 but libcamelsmell conflicts evo developer: yes we are in flux user: so there is a bug? evo developer: no bug. use cvs user: so only way to use evo is cvs evo developer: im done talking to you... you just dont want to use evolution bad enough a true support story :) heh haha derek I also don't like evo.. it crash on the 1st run :) oh i like evolution (its rather nice now) but the support team (at least in irc) is horrid derek, I just like one things :) the LDAP write that mozilla don't have... maybe i should grap that and put it with the mozilla code :) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.115) left irc: lupo__ (lupo@pD9E68858.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) lupo__ (lupo@pD9E68784.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey, I'm all with your wrt mozilla+svg in debian.. ;) btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.237) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: SachaZzz -> SachaS Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.otn-c1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-210-151.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__ (lupo@pD9E68784.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo_ (lupo@pD9542F34.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. prototypeX (~prototype@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Hi I want to install GNUe I haven't got any of it installed yet where should I begin what is your interest? end user, developer? both maybe I'll have to see we don't have much in way of end user packages I see gnue-sb and gnue-pos do I start with gnue-common install order? yeah common, forms, designer all right thanks you can replace forms, designer with appserver or navigator or reports can you also put them all in together? yes all right I'll just play for a bit i install all of them w/ exception of appserver as I dont have anything requiring it right, do most of the developpers know SAP? dunno, i don't Action: dcmwai|AWAY is back (gone 06:59:56) Nick change: dcmwai|AWAY -> dcmwai dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.83.84) left irc: "Client exiting" I don't seem to be able to run the gnue-forms examples I get some call back error in GFClient().run or something like that Anyhow what do I have to do to make this puppy work prototypeX what platform are you using? redhat 9 jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-210-151.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" its got python 2.2.2 and I've installed the mxdatetime packagee SachaS: redhat 9 also,are you installing from packages or from cvs? the packages as in rpm packages? Action: Vee2d2 must finish working on this invoice.. bbiab prototypeX did you try a form which does not use a database in the background? eg a simple form? nope I downloaded and installed GNUe-Common-0.5.1.tar.gz, GNUe-Forms-0.5.1.tar.gz and GNUe-Designer-0.5.1.tar.gz SachaS: does helloworld use a db connection? SachaS: helloworld2.gfd is the file I am using Action: Vee2d2 hasnt installed from packages.. well, in a long time.. isnt there a ./setup process involved there as well? python setup.py commands is there an rpm available I'll use that if I have to thought so, so I'm guess you really did install it then.. :) I dont know about rpms.. yeah, I unpacked the GNUe-Common then installed it, copied the .conf files over, then I unpacked GNUe-Forms and installed it gnue-forms is in my path now conf files are in ~/gnue or /etc/gnue or somesuch? yeah gnued/etc/ what was the error? get ready for the flood wait I should've said the last 4 lines .. :) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 362, in buildForm DB000: self._uiinstance.buildForm(form, formName) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 262, in buildForm DB000: self._gfObjToUIWidget[form].phaseInit() DB000: KeyError: oops five I can't figure it out can you do a gnue-forms --version jcater: yeah I get version 0.5.1 how bizarre yeah Action: SachaS does not know the problem. me either SachaS, hold on I'll brb prototypeX (~prototype@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: dneighbo -> derek man.. I think I've invested about an hour just in creating this fscking invoice.. ;P cant wait 'till I have a real system for doing this.. prototypeX (~prototype@DA-207164198.156.trytel.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Veed2d: bill yourself for the hour :) BTW, the invoice system needs to be able to pump out plain text and GPG sign things LuftHans: reports could do that :) pump out plain text jcater : are you really here? or just floating about sniffing for donuts? Action: Vee2d2 lines the code with fresh glaze, just in case. my current invoice system writes a plain text invoice, then signs it. I then include the invoice in email to the customer. If I get a customer that uses GPG I'll add the ability to encrypt the invoices to my invoice script anyone one using RedHat 9 for this? let me guess everyone is Debian hehe ;) we need some redhat, gentoo, whatever peoples to hang out here too Vee2d2: target practice? :) prototypeX: good guess proto: there are some directions for installing on RH on the site, but they're pretty old so sad I stumbled into that :) LuftHans: actually... reports will push right tot email for you... i suspect it would be fairly easy (if trigger code in reports is working) to make it sign before it ships prototypeX: let me see if i can help give me the line you are using to run forms and give me the last 10 lines of error message gnue-forms helloword2.gfd derek: mine could automail it as well, but I want to look at it first and don't want a way to accidentally send it DB000: Traceback (most recent call last): DB000: File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 43, in ? DB000: GFClient().run() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 163, in run DB000: instance.activate() DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 322, in activate DB000: self.buildForm(dialog) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFInstance.py", line 362, in buildForm DB000: self._uiinstance.buildForm(form, formName) DB000: File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/uidrivers/_base/UIdriver.py", line 262, in buildForm DB000: self._gfObjToUIWidget[form].phaseInit() DB000: KeyError: Action: SachaS uses debian derek can I get you a drink? ? can you type python and hit enter and paste the version here Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) gcc3.2.2 as well Action: derek goes to search for that hell called red hat.... prototypeX: can you do rpm -qa |grep wx and paste output here nothing did you install wxWindows? doesn't GNUe now require python 2.4? LuftHans: not to my knowledge derek no, I didn't see hat wxWindows 2.4 or is that wx 2.4? not python 2.4 wassup my peeps? prototypeX: that error doesnt really look like a wx error gnue-forms-wxgtk: Hdngt ab: libwxgtk2.3-python wx 2.4 but im suspecting its an error that is occurring because it can not find a valid ui driver to use fwiw: on the "client" end you arent mandated to use wx yeah that seems right you could gtk2, qt or curses just wx is most developed (read maintained) curses is borken should I try gnue-forms -u gtk2 do you have gnome 2 on this system? yeah if so do -u gtk2 derek i.e. gnue-forms -u gtk2 helloworld.gfd thanks beware gtk2 is not currently well "maintained" so oddities you find will get the age old "dragons lurk there" response :) or "submit a patch" actually i saw ajmitch here... maybe we tie his arse to a chair and make him fix bugs.... yeah thats it seriously you will want to grab wx packages otherwise designer will not work for you and designer is too cool :) so you will want to use it i had rpms floating on the website for a while, but they are 2.2 i think (you will need 2.4) neither gtk2 or curses is working eiher if you have redhat discs.. i believe they are on the disc qt and gtk2 work, but are not "supported" yeah I'll spin those in and see what happens curses, likely wont work but isn't grossly off from working for the CLIENT i.e. forms the theory is we want to support them all but have limited resources so we agreed to make the wx version (as it runs on all platforms) the officially supported version qt and gtk2 are maintained as we have time curses should be maintained at same level as wx, but its just not as fun :) designer because of our limited resources only uses the wx toolkit as we figure we can mandate a toolkit for the developers, but we want the forms client to be used natively however someone wishes the problem w/curses is we don't have a good curses library to use so the big deal there is we're writing our own library there is/was talk of maybe moving to qt for designer... windows is the big problem there which is near complete we want designer to run on windows.... jcater: yes i failed to add we have tried 3 or 4 different curses libraries but that's a requirement for forms+curses to get any further :( but it's really close we're >*< this close unfortunately * ==> jcater's spair time which seems to be shrinking lately :( s/spair time/spare tire and we would be somewhere :) doh plus I'm largely need-based still but I'm *very* close to having all my needs me t which'll be good for things like curses we need a vegas developers conference (seriously) if you and jamest can still escape paid let me know i think i have 3 or 7 days of conference time available still well I can't take vacations after Friday its a close drive for me, but i think it would be fun for you guys until January well maybe we can do something in january as fall kicks in schools? ;) ja we do 80% of our business in 6-8 weeks i love it.....mozilla thunderbird marked my mom as a spammer even thouugh she made it past spam assassain heh as I'm sure y'all have heard me say countlyess times :) derek: lol this is funny cause my mom is about like a spammer :) jcater: well I know it's a busy time for you since they need their mags/catalogues ;) hey, it's the perfect school fundraiser it's a product that the average family already spends a lot of money on and we offer it at just as low a price as they could get anywhere else beats overpriced gift wrap :) sure my new favorite RMS quote: "Your local newspapers may already, or soon, run stories about the current rash of Windows viruses. These stories probably won't mention that GNU/Linux offers an alternative that is pretty much virus-free. So it will be useful to send letters to the editor, mentioning the existence of the free software alternative. There are several reasons why GNU/Linux has few viruses: 1. We designed the GNU system, from the outset in 1984, as a multi-user timesharing system with security features. An ordinary user cannot change the system software. Linux, Torvalds' 1991 kernel, followed this design as well. 2. We did not make the incredibly stupid decision to design applications so that they execute programs that arrive in the mail. 3. Free software developers seem to do a better job, overall. (This