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<LuftHans> dead tree, dead tree
<chillywilly> why for you kill our trees?
<Vee2d2> pave the earth!
<Vee2d2> gotta make room!
<Vee2d2> ;)
<Vee2d2> any of you have OOo files with headers and footers and graphics and create doc files from that OOo files that dont look like ass? 
<Vee2d2> that them those.. 
<chillywilly> doc files?!? wassat? ;)
<LuftHans> cw: it's like the x files, but starring Jack Klugman
<chillywilly> ok...
<Vee2d2> rtf for that matter.. :(
<Vee2d2> oh.. wait a minute.. 
<Vee2d2> forgot I dont have word installed on this vmware.. it opened in wordpad.. heh
<Vee2d2> damned enternut connection!
<chillywilly> enternut?
<LuftHans> wordpad mcquack: any crash you can walk away from is a good crash
<chillywilly> are you talking about that interweb thing?
<chillywilly> where you can download the internet
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<Vee2d2> man.. it's almost dangerous that I know these guy's (isp) headquarters is right down the street from here.. 
<Vee2d2> grr..
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<floosh001> Hi is anyone there ?
<floosh001> I have been looking into gnue lately for the development of business app. I installed the software on linux and windows but I seem to be exeperiencing a few problems...
<floosh001> On windows Designer doesn't let me add "widgets" on the form. As a result the application is unusable...
<floosh001> On linux everything works well except the option Toll=>run forms
<floosh001> I am sure I am doing stupid, but could someone tell me how to proceed to make this work ?
<floosh001> Anyway this is a cool project thanks to all developers for this nice work.
<floosh001> If I can make my application run under gnue I'll release it under GPL. It would be nice to have a library of small to medium business applications avaiable to user to pick and customize at will
<floosh001> It seems no one is here to respond.. I'll come back later.
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<chillywilly> bah
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<Vee> what is up, my peoples?
<jcater> word
<jcater> hey, I've been wearing my embroidered shirt in public
<jcater> and some of the neighboring businesses want to know who did them
<Vee> jcater, does it still look decent?
<jcater> can I give out your name and email?
<Vee> sure
<jcater> yes, everyone is surprised how crisp and bright the logo stands out
<Vee> I just got a fairly sizable order from a referal for a customer in the atlanta area
<Vee> you guy's did your grand opening on the antique buiz, I'm guessing.. is that going ok?
<jcater> yip
<jcater> going well
<jcater> broke even the first month
<Vee> nice
<jcater> much to my surprise
<jcater> (and yet relief)
<Vee> I'm going to an annual trade show next week.. though I'm not quite as excited about it as I have been in the past.. maybe there'll be something neat there this year.. 
<Vee> Telling ya, spending all that time creating that invoice last night sure helps to motivate me into getting back to work on getting gnue-sb going.. ;)
<Vee> I think things have leveled off here, at least for the moment, so I may get my chance to dig back in tonight or so.. 
<jcater> lol
<Vee> http://zemljanka.sourceforge.net/cursed/ quite interesting!
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> to be honest
<jcater> I can't stand the graphical GTK toolkit
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<LuftHans> oooh, text-based gtk 
<LuftHans> jcater: yeah, but if it allows text-based versions of GTK apps, that'd be awesome
<dcmwai> any accountant here?
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<jcater> derek: how do you thread messages in thunderbird?
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<floosh001> Hi is anyone here to help a newbie?
<jamest> i can try
<jamest> i'll be choppy in replies though
<floosh001> I tried to install gnue on linux and windows. Linux seems to be working ok with the exception of "run forms" in Designer that doesn;t work
<jamest> i've noticed that too
<floosh001> But on windows it seems that designer doesn't work at all
<floosh001> I can't put widgets on the layout ...
<floosh001> You are having the same problem under Linux ?!
<floosh001> Have you tried the windows version ?
<Vee> floosh001, in the meantime with linux, you can run the forms manually with the forms client. eg: gnue-forms form.gfd
<Vee> I dont have any experience witht he windows packages so I dont know what to suggest there.. 
<floosh001> This is what I have been doing :)
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<floosh001> I suppose that most of the effort for the windows version is put on the "form" program as most of the development work is done under Linux
<Vee> floosh001, what db are you using in windows?
<floosh001> MySQL
<floosh001> PostgreSQL under Linux
<floosh001> Has anyone tried gnue windows ?
<jamest> i installed today
<jamest> the forms package seems to work
<jamest> didn't install designer as this is end user box
<jamest> btami is actively working on the windows stuff
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<btami> hi all
<btami> floosh001: you here?
<btami> if you tried 0.5.1 on win32, and you failed with designer
<btami> there is a repackaged 0.5.1.1
<btami> bye
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<floosh001> thanls
<floosh001> It works thanks
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<jamest> btami's drive by tech support :)
<dsmith> heh
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> hi fellas how's it going?
<Vee> just chilly
<chillywilly> w00t ;)
<chillywilly> it's pretty freakin' hot out
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<chillywilly> heh
<Vee> just started raining here.. 
<Vee> think it's made about a 5-10 degree differrenc in this room
<jcater> someone in way too short of a sun dress just walked into my room
<jcater> made about a 5-10 degree difference too
<Vee> hah
<jamest> jcater: you at home?
<jcater> rofl
<jcater> I wish
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<chillywilly> you're lucky she doesn't read the irc logs
<chillywilly> you would be in biiiiig trouble
<jcater> I stay in big trouble
<jcater> I'm married, remember
<chillywilly> yes I know you are
<chillywilly> havoc is gettin married now
<jcater> poor fella
<jcater> err, I mean
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> congrats!
<havoc> thanx :)
<havoc> I think ;)
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<jamest> ls
<chillywilly> goats/ pr0n/ python/
<jcater> j2sdk1.4/
<chillywilly> ack!
<chillywilly> rm -rf j2sdk1.4/
<jamest> hmmmmm
<jamest> wtf happened to my warez and mp3z directories?
<chillywilly> and moviez
<jcater> you're keeping those on the wife's PC, remember?
<jamest> oh yeah
<jamest> thanks
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<Vee2d2> Xnest sure is cool
<jamest> yip
<chillywilly> we need more people to download the hurd ISOs via bittorrent any takers? ;)
<chillywilly> http://www.liberyetech.com/hurd-k4-cds.torrent
<jamest> sorry
<jamest> i've only got 674MB free
<chillywilly> bah
<Vee2d2> I'm only worth like 15k/s outbound and very sporatic at that, lately
<chillywilly> I was just talking to neal in #hurd and he's got 1.1TB of space and he had to build a cabinet to hold all the drives he has in his machine
<chillywilly> they don't all fit
<chillywilly> and he has some pci ide extension card
<chillywilly> in there
<chillywilly> I think that's pretty mental
<chillywilly> 700GB of pr0n ;P
<jamest> and he'd trade it all for a real girlfriend I bet :)
<jamest> anyone with 700GB of porn cannot possibly have a female in the residence
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<Vee2d2> could be archives of said femme.. ;)
<Vee2d2> hopefully it's not a blood relation
<chillywilly> jamest: he
<chillywilly> jamest: he's probably missing one of those
<jcater> problem getting response info - <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service ....')
<Vee2d2> what's that from?
<jcater> from jason@jcater:~/download$ btdownloadgui --url 'http://www.liberyetech.com/hurd-k4-cds.torrent'
<chillywilly> hmmm, we have 6 people right now in the loop
<chillywilly> http://www.libertyetech.com/tracker2/
<Vee2d2> I see
<Vee2d2> jcater: so is designer still busted?
<jcater> I wouldn't say busted
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<jcater> as much as a steaming pile of musty ol 
<jcater> err
<jcater> nevermind
<jcater> yeah, it's busted
<jamest> jcater: check your spelling
<chillywilly> jcater: does it like those quotes?
<jamest> liberyetech
<Vee2d2> what was the big thing you were forking for? new layout stuff? 
<jamest> actually check chillywilly's
<Vee2d2> jamest: hehe
<jcater> Vee2d2: yeah
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<jcater> ok, chillywilly I'm downloading
<Vee2d2> jcater: as in, non character based?
<jcater> now, explain to me why?
<chillywilly> yaaay
<jcater> Vee2d2: not exactly
<chillywilly> for grins
<jcater> pluggable renderers
<chillywilly> to help speed up the downloads
<jcater> moving all the widget display stuff into native/
<chillywilly> the more the merrier
<jcater> and adding a curses/ plugin
<jamest> but if only 6 people are on there
<jcater> so you can change the grid display to "curses" mode
<jamest> are we really helping
<Vee2d2> ahh, that'll be neat.
<chillywilly> cause you wanna install Debian GNU/Hurd cause you heard it was uber cool
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<jamest> is working as it's just sitting there
<jamest> i used to see progress
<chillywilly> I am trying to see what is the most efficient way to waste bandwidth ;)
<chillywilly> j/k
<jcater> Vee2d2: it's mainly to figure out a way to get the widgets into bitmaps
<jcater> so I can display, e.g., buttons and widgets as bitmaps on a panel
<jamest> load up bittorrent with previously mentioned 700GB of porn
<jcater> instead of having wx actually render the buttons and widgets
<derek> <jcater> derek: how do you thread messages in thunderbird? (i dont thread so havent looked) i did find an easy way to CHECK ALL MAIL BOXES :)
<jcater> then I can do all kinds of rendering
<jamest> that would definately suck backwith
<jamest> er
<chillywilly> jamest: I told neal he can be my pr0n seeder
<jamest> bandwidth
<jcater> c/rendering/cool stuff
<jcater> like, um
<chillywilly> jamest: that tracker allows uploads of torrents
<jcater> clicking edge of widget and dragging, to resize
<derek> <dcmwai> any accountant here? : im darn close
<jcater> or displaying a (1) or (2) or (3) in the corner of widgets
<Vee2d2> yea, cool stuff! ;)
<chillywilly> I have wondershaper installed here
<jcater> to show their focus order
<jcater> etc
<derek> btw: i thought the text based gtk looked interesting...
<jcater> sure
<Vee2d2> derek: right, my thought was.. if we had a working gtk2 driver.. would this give us a working curses driver at no cost? and if so.. then you only have to worry about maintaining the gtk2 driver..?
<jcater> derek: so did that horrible car wreck on the way to work this morning
<jcater> Vee2d2: I doubt that
<jcater> as then we'd have to tweak stuff for the GTK curses mode
<jcater> like we have to tweak wx for GTK vs Win32
<derek> jcater ?
<derek> Vee2d2: i was thinking same thing, but jcater lives in a more real world and that "no cost" is probably pretty significant ;)
<Vee2d2> derek: :)
<Vee2d2> I dont normally delve into these lower levels of things.. 
<chillywilly> derek: you know you wanna download the Hurd ISOs
<chillywilly> jcater: how's the download?
<jcater> 51kB/s up
<jcater> err
<jcater> 51kB/s down
<jamest> 20kB/s down : 10kB/s up
<chillywilly> that's not too bad
<jcater> 34kBs/dup
<jamest> from my dsl
<jcater> s/d//
<jamest> but why are we doing this?
<chillywilly> well that's better than my upload capacity
<chillywilly> to help distributed the isos since they're no on ftp.gnu.org atm
<jcater> hmm
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<jamest> one of these years I need to get bittorren working at work
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<jamest>  /msg jcater you know you like it
<Vee2d2> jamest: you work at a uni, I'm sure it's working in several corners of your network.. ;)
<jamest> not my network
<jamest> i'm a bastard operator from hell
<chillywilly> jamest: a good admin would open up the bittorrent ports ;)
<jamest> a good admin would know where to keep the bodies so that no one would find them
<jcater> a good admin knows how to trick interns into doing all the work
<chillywilly> cool ;)
<jcater> and knows how to find the interns who can work
<Vee2d2> and how to lure the bad ones into the halon rooms.. 
<jcater> I guess that makes jamest a piss-poor admin
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<jamest> you got me there
<jcater> chillywilly: how is this advantageous?
<derek> http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/tips.html#beh_downloadstartup will show you how to do startup and read all folders
<jcater> are you posting your torrent somewhere?
<chillywilly> pool the bandwidth
<chillywilly> you're already getting better than my upload
<chillywilly> so at least it is accomplishing somehting ;)
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<jcater> it's ok, but seems sluggish to me
<jamest> but we don't want it!
<Vee2d2> ouch.. So you wanted to fly into the thunderstorm? --> http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/f.braaksma/
<chillywilly> jcater: yea on the hurd mailing lists
<jamest> :)
<chillywilly> jcater: debian-hurd
<chillywilly> jamest: and in the topic of #hurd
<chillywilly> woops
<chillywilly> damn, j-people
<jcater> gack!
<jcater> / Download mail from all accounts on startup
<jcater>  user_pref("mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new", true);
<jcater> why does this make me wanna gag?
<jcater> reminds me of gconf
<jcater> or the win32 register
<derek> no no no
<chillywilly> does it grab headers?
<derek> its MUCH better than that
<derek> its like a conf file
<chillywilly> or whole mesaages?
<derek> just an ugly one
<chillywilly> it's JavaScript
<derek> seriously you know my gconf rants....
<derek> if this smelled even remotely like that i wouldnt touch it :)
<derek> just think... ugly (yet powerful) conf file
<chillywilly> why don't they have the options in the UI ;)
<derek> its actually closest to *shudder' an dot emacs file
<chillywilly> I had to bend over backwards to make firebird look decent
<derek> only javascript instead of lisp
<derek> chillywilly: its v0.1
<chillywilly> editing silly style sheets
<derek> i would rather they focus on important stuff :)
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<chillywilly> the UI is too freakin slow
<chillywilly> XUL sucks arse
<chillywilly> it's only usable on my 2.8GHz machine
<chillywilly> er, 1.8
<derek> i have a certain respect for the mozilla project as a whole
<chillywilly> not giving up? ;)
<chillywilly> mozilla is pretty good stuff for the most part
<Vee2d2> firebird r0x..
<chillywilly> bah
<Vee2d2> rah rah rah
<chillywilly> it needs  nice downloader like galeon
<Vee2d2> :)
<chillywilly> and better tabs without having to install some lame extension
<chillywilly> and it needs myportal:
<Vee2d2> tabextender's pretty sweet
<chillywilly> ;)
<chillywilly> nah
<chillywilly> cause I set it to pop-up windows in new tabs and it actually pops the window up and then adds a tab
<chillywilly> I don't like it
<Vee2d2> and although I went through myportal withdrawals, I've since adopted the bookmark toolbar and just have a series of folders up there with everthing organized within them and their subfolders
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003082700226OPCYSW
<Vee2d2> derek: your thing is this weekend?
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<Vee2d2> Retrieving bug reports... 0% [0/1] ... E: 302 "Found"
<Vee2d2> eek
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