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<jamest> btami: you here?
<btami> hello jamest, yes
<jamest> you've spoiled me
<jamest> i've been using the win32 exes you make instead of installing from source
<jamest> but now I need to run a custom gnue-common based app on windows
<jamest> i was just wondering if there are any gotchas I need to be aware of 
<jamest> as I'll need forms running too
<btami> what is the problem?
<jamest> none yet
<jamest> i'm still downloading dependencies
<jamest> i'm asking if there is anything I need to watch out for that isn't in the install
<jamest> INSTALL
<btami> so you installing from sources on win32, right?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> ideally I'd share the gnue install itself via samba
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<btami> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gnue/2003-08/msg00005.html
<jamest> thank you
<btami> nothing
<jamest> something bad I played w/ last night wrt gnue/postgresql
<jamest> timestamps
<btami> what dbdriver?
<jamest> lets say I've got a table with a field of type timestamp
<jamest> 2003-06-20 08:45:54.314863
<jamest> all postgresql drivers except popy return
<jamest> 2003-06-20 08:45:54
<jamest> our update code requires a match on every field
<jamest> update foo set bar='yip' where bar='nope' and entry_timestamp = '2003-06-20 08:45:54';
<jamest> which silently fails
<btami> i got similar problem with kinterbasdb/firebird
<btami> and solved with
<btami>     self._dateTimeFormat = "cast('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S' as timestamp)"
<btami> in Dbdriver.py
<jamest> it seems to be in the mxDateTime thing
<jamest> that cast wouldn't fix the update
<jamest> as in the gnue-forms generated UPDATE  you get
<jamest> AND entry_timestamp=cast('2003-07-15 12:25:53' as timestamp) AND
<jamest> but in the datebase we store
<jamest> 2003-07-15 12:25:53.224775
<jamest> the timestamp is not put in by forms
<jamest> this is a case where forms is being used to assign incoming faxes (url, id_no, entry_timestamp) to a specific customer id
<jamest> so url and entry_timestamp are populated by the incoming fax program
<btami> hmm
<jamest> forms loads the data but gets an incorrect value from the db drivers
<jamest> since the user can't tweak the timestamp in forms it's listed as unmodified field
<jamest> well, i guess it not being modified doesn't really matter
<jamest> popy does it right however.....
<jamest> popy returns oids from postgresql as strings
<jamest> so the schema code choaks
<jamest> which I've fixed here as that code shouldn't have done %d anyway
<jamest> but that uncovers a nasty
<jamest>     cursor.execute("select indkey from pg_index where indrelid=%s" % oid)
<jamest> indkey in popy is returned as an int
<jamest> however postgresql can have values like indkey = "1 2 3"
<jamest> which segfaults popy when you try and access the results
<jamest> damned if I do, damned if I dont :)
<btami> :)
<jamest> anyway I have to run to the store, just wanted to fill someone else in on this timestamp issue
<jamest> someone that uses alternative databases than me
<jamest> like, um, btami :)
<btami> thanks :)
<jamest> i'd be curious to know if other db drivers do the same thing
<jamest> but I really have to go, wife has waited long enough on me :)
<btami> ok
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<btami> jcater: you here?
<jcater> in and out
<btami> i have a little problem with block level "POST-FOCUSIN" trigger
<btami> i want to show some calculated fields in my form
<btami> the trigger works good with 2 exception
<btami> 1. if i use prequery='Y'
<btami> all calculated fields are ampty
<btami> 2. ditto with query from menu
<btami> everithing is ok if i move on to another record (next/prev etc.)
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I'd be tempted to try a combination of
<jcater> post-query and post-change
<jcater> instead of the focus triggers
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<btami> jcater: maybe i'm wrong, but post-query is working only on first record for me
<jcater> really?
<btami> post-focusin works well, except on first record i got from prequery/query
<btami> i'm using blkUNBOUND.fldSzam.set(szam) , where szam is a calculated value from other fields
<btami> i think we should call post-focusin when prequery="Y" or some query occurs from menu
<jcater> but does the record have focus?
<jcater> I think the bigger bug is that post-query is only firing for the first record
<btami> because the focus is changing from none to something in block
<btami> i'm not so sure about post-query bug
<jcater> if post-query is firing only for the first record, then it's a bug according to the definitions we have for the triggers
<jcater> does your prequery="Y" block end up with focus after startup?
<jcater> if so, that's a bug too
<jcater> i.e., that post-focus-in hasn't been called
<btami> yes
<jcater> ok
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> more bugs
<jcater> :(
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<alandd> derek: I temporarily traded the USB cradle for a serial one with Jeffery P. from PLUG.
<alandd> I have now updated the boot loader and Familiar.
<alandd> Wow! this version is way better than what was on it!  Has a great polished look to it.  GPE2.
<alandd> I think I will update Austin's unit too.  He will be impressed, I think.
Action: LuftHans loans his iPAQ to alandd for a half hour :)
<alandd> Yea, bring it on down.
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<siesel> evening 
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> anyone ever play with plan9?
<siesel> sorry, no.
<chillywilly> it looks interesting
<siesel> just heard that it works great over networks
<chillywilly> some guy in #gstreamer is going on and on about it ;P
<LuftHans> plan9 is supposed to have some nice features, network transparency for *everything* being the big one, apparently
<chillywilly> well they go pretty mental with the concept of everything is a file
<LuftHans> but, but, everything *is* a file  :)
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<LuftHans> derek: you've been summoned on PLUG-discuss: "using mod_python"
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<alandd> derek and LuftHans: I am now surfing the web on the iPAQ via PPP on the serial cable!  Now I must document how I did it before I forget.
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<LuftHans> alandd: cool
<alandd> do you have a wired CF NIC lying around that I could use?  I would be better than this PPP connection.  I don't have a WAP but I'm all set with a wire.
<LuftHans> I have a wire pcmcia NIC, but not CF
<alandd> That's cool.  The sleeve is actually PC Card, not CF.
<LuftHans> OK. I can get it to you Thu at the meeting, but I can also probably drop it by to you at work Mon or Tue
<alandd> That would be slick.
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<derek> it has wince
<derek> but would like to have gpe :)
<derek> i.e. if he wants to document some more
<LuftHans> derek: I snarfed your test dir from the class yesterday. I can get you the example that wasn't working.
<derek> kewl jsut send it to jcater :)
<derek> j/k i htink i got him to reproduce
Action: derek notes debian-legal is getting ugly
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<LuftHans> for i in `seq 1 $MAXINT`; do mail $jcater -s "fix this" <mymovies.gfd; done
<LuftHans> :)
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<alandd> derek: while you are at softball, I give you something to think about.
<alandd> Linux on the iPAQ is very cool, however one thing the PIM apps don't have yet is synchronization with PIM on the desktop computer.
<alandd> I'll be happy to put Linux on your wife's iPAQ.  Would your wife be happy to have it there?
<alandd> we can put it on and restore the wince stuff if needed by saving the image.
<alandd> I need to do Austin's ipaq next.
<LuftHans> I need to back mine up and do an upgrade
<LuftHans> maybe after fixing the stuff I'm working on right now
<jcater> :0:
<jcater> * ^From:.*lufthans.*
<jcater> /dev/null
<jcater> oops, meant to paste that to my .procmailrc
<jcater> ignore that
<LuftHans> :)
<ajmitch> hi 
<alandd> LuftHans: I'm just glad to get to be at the point where I have to learn the programming now.  Still some to do before the real "porting" starts.
<LuftHans> I need to move on to a GNUe project this weekend
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<Vee2d2> alandd: are you sure there isnt synchronization to desktop? I thought that was what gnome-conduit or whatever was all about
<Vee2d2> gnome-pilot - A GNOME applet for management of your Palm PDA
<Vee2d2> gnome-pilot-conduits - Conduits for gnome-pilot
<Vee2d2> gnome-pim-conduits - Palm synchronization for calendar and address book
<Vee2d2> pilot-manager - PalmPilot PIM, UI, and Conduit Manager
<Vee2d2> etc.. 
<Vee2d2> anyway.. I'm speaking of things I know nothing about.. :)
<LuftHans> Vee2d2: but he's not running Palm OS or Palm apps
<LuftHans> there's supposed to be a sync mechanism, but last I knew the iPAQ apps were being written from scratch
<alandd> Vee2d2: the iPAQ running Linux with GPE (GTK based) or Opie/Qtopia does not yet have sychronization with desktop applications, according to the projects' respective web sites.
<alandd> they are working on it.
<alandd> and asking for help.
<alandd> Maybe I will be able to help once I know what I am doing.  After I get gnue running on them.
<LuftHans> can they export to XML?
<alandd> BTW, the apps you mention are all for synchronizing a Palm OS based device, as Hans stated.
<LuftHans> I thought Opie had syncing working. Maybe it got bork.
<alandd> Hmm.. don't know about that.
<alandd> I did not look closely there.
<LuftHans> get GNUe working, then we'll have sync via db modules :)
<alandd> You are right, Opie claims "Syncable with KDE PIM/Kolab, MS Outlook and Qtopia Desktop (3rd party tools necessary)"  Don't know much more than that.
<LuftHans> woohoo! two right.
Action: LuftHans stops while he's ahead :)
<LuftHans> "Microsoft: Asia not playing fair"
<LuftHans> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5072069.html?tag=fd_top
<Vee2d2> I see
<LuftHans> since when is playing fair something m$ understands?
<Vee2d2> well.. as I said, speaking of things I know nothing of.. :)
<alandd> Opie claims must sync capability here: http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/OpieSyncing
<alandd> that puts them ahead of the other environments.  they better catch up.
<alandd> oops correction: "Opie clams much..."
<alandd> ooo!  big python feed and info for Opie (and others?) here: http://opie.net.wox.org/python/
<alandd> Maybe I should be targeting Opie first instead of GPE...
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