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Then I will have no excuse but to work on it :^\ it's hard to chat on this thing because i am not used to the typing. i just wanted to prove that i could do it. ddisconnecting ipaq from chat. alandd-ipaq (~alandd-ip@h-66-167-43-70.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. LuftHans: you there? LuftHans: I am not having success getting the ipaq desktop exported to my computer. Is there info somewhere? Could you point me links or write up the steps? I'll be back in the morning. good night, all. Action: alandd is away: ZZzz.. 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LuftHans: Are you there? alandd: no, I'm here \t (~rastabeen@cuscon511.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) tab was here? Hey, how do I export the ipaq display to my PC? I am having fun trying to figrue it out. R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon511.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody around that can answer some quick standards questions? Action: alandd is away: Time for errand... alandd: they used to hardcode the display to localhost, which sucks IMHO, so remove that from .bashrc or whereever it is wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) left #gnuenterprise. Action: alandd is back (gone 00:30:16) LuftHans: check your email. see what I have done. I still don't see anything on the PC. alandd: I am checking my mail, there's a lot of PLUG stuff to wade through :) I'll try to get to that in a bit OK brb alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-70.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-70.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: alandd Mmmm... eggrolls... :^) woohoo, at least one person is reading my posts :) nah well, he responded and commented on the content guess he could be a bot... :) Action: alandd is away: Gotta go again. Be back in a while. Action: alandd is back (gone 00:30:57) LuftHans: what posts? reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Action: alandd is away: Again.... alandd: the response is in the mail jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-126.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: alandd is back (gone 01:35:01) LuftHans: reply coming. thanks. pong pong? oh, pong! yea, vnc is next. Action: alandd is away: Errands, again... wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody around to answer a couple questions? Action: LuftHans is around, but probably can't help try me anyway :) i can try jamest is a m4d h4x0r cool heheh What is the state of the application server? i'm more a b1tt3r d1sgrunt4l h4x0r that is a section I really can't help with :( what areas do you work with I can direct them at that :) forms, common, designer a little reports but I've been MIA for a while ok, that looks like it is progressing well Action: chillywilly is look ing at PEAK i have a question as well Python Enterprise Application Kit is anyone using initQuery() executeQuery() in forms? via triggers I'll check that out chillywilly they don't work for me, and before I make them work for me I want to make sure I don't break them for someone else :) iow: need to know if I'm using them right twisted is also an interesting framework I am building out a system for a client that I can really use the gnue system, if nothing else, I'll use the model, it is really awesome jamest: I wanted to use something like that, but couldn't figure it out LuftHans: i think it's broken but again, i want to give people a chance to yell before I "fix" it "Indeed Python is so expressive, that it can take far less time for one to write an alternative implementation of J2EE technology in Python, than it takes to understand that technology in the first place!" that's funny plus it doesn't steal all your resources and not give them back ;) heheh do you guys use PEAK or have another preference? GNUe is the topic here ;) got it I was just commenting on myself looking at PEAK I see I am interested mainly with the application server at this point and what it is based on I dunno I think lately there's a whol "Python Enterprise" movement with gnue, zope, peak, tiwisted, etc. twisted even chillywilly: agreed, addressing what needs to be programmed and finding the proper solution appears to have fallen by the wayside I write all my code in Assembler Enterprise Edition and have a special 2-key keyboard hehe ok..... jk have you seen the keyboards with just a 0 and 1 key? kinda funny I didn't know such a thing existed just as a joke I'm sure cw: in a photoslop world everything can exist :) I am actually a PHP developer mainly LuftHans: uh? LuftHans: nevermind LuftHans: heh pigs can even fly they can fly in the rw as well. trebuchets for fun and profit :) LuftHans: or in a component based world it's as though these things have always existed (sorry, readin about peak) granted, that was probably so horribly spelled that no one know what I'm talking about... what? ;) hmm, I was gonna work on the apt-get proxy today, but I've got less than an hour left before I need to take off... you're writing an apt-get proxy? on last question is gnue at a point I could (with alot of work) implement this in a production environment? It wouldn't have to do everything, just the basics. steveb (~steveb@218-101-45-18.paradise.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. anything is possible 'with a lot of work' ;) reason I ask because if it is at a level that will work on a basic level, I can get two developers on payroll for a company to do full-time work on the project steveb (~steveb@218-101-45-18.paradise.net.nz) left #gnuenterprise. I just have to be able to justify it to my client....I'm giving the project two years the forms is used in production daily very cool which means common is as well :) designer is moving along nicely reports is used daily as well for some simple reports i don't use appserver all tools have their rough edges but nothing that would stop deployment I would be integrating some proprietary solutions that are open-standards based with the goal in mind of migrating to a total Free Software solution reinhard and/or siesel have been doing a lot of hammering on appserver lately appserver is IIRC being used in development testing yes they have s/\/or// siesel IIRC tied a web front end to it via his javascript forms very cool, I'd need app server capabilities to run some of the apps I'd be using initially I can do alot on the front-end, it's the back-end I'm concerned about (not my area of expertise) thanks for the feedback all :) then you need to speak with reinhard and/or seisel as they can give you best advice as to appserver jamest: you using any block level precommit triggers? um lemme check yes would it be something I could study? :) if school_duty_id =='': delete() ]]> ahh, ok.. that's the only one I use well.. I was hoping you mucked around in the block in there as that seems to be the focus of my problem with that trigger.. soon as I do anything with the block it throws a traceback which is kinda odd i'm having troubles with initQuery() and executeQuery() at the block level AttributeError: GFBlock instance has no attribute 'type' um that's wack hmm.. another trigger which I thought was working is throwing the same error, but on GFField Action: alandd is away: Dinner! type is set at the object init level i would think it would have to have that defined I really need to comb over this form again though as I've changed it inside and out so many times it's not funny.. i really need to comb over forms as it's doing odd stuff do you ever use initQuery and executeQuery? no, just createResultSet for now.. can that populate a block? or is it still just for use inside the trigger? internal use damn i need the form to work as follows enter value in unbound field and hit tab bound block populates w/ matching data I mean, I guess you could manually populate the block using the results.. user scans barcode and hits tab block commits and form returns to unbound field i guess I can fix forms now and if i'm breaking something then we roll back out :) nice thing about cvs bah.. fricken caps.. Action: Vee2d2 broke another needle bbiab why gnue-sb? looks the same Action: alandd is back (gone 00:38:02) the same as what? gnue gnue itself at this time is tools to build things like gnue-sb I see our biz level apps are very, very slow in coming sb was created to work in 2-tier setup using what we have working today so gnue-sb is an implementation of the gnue system using the tools and server if gnue is anything it's slow jamest: is that because of a lack of devs or just careful planning and implementation ? what is this planning and implementation thing you speak of? proposals and such =) it's mainly lack of developers I see, that's good to know and those of us here are very very sporatic and needs driven After reading a ton of info about this project, I am very excited if I need something for an internal project then i'm going to implement it even if other things are needed worse I think it could seriously be used for my task at hand the company I am contracted with now had a group of previous developers trying to use Metastorm dive in wendall911, we're ready for ya.. :) cool Vee, I just have to have all the answers they need before I can proceed man, the way I'm going through needles I'm not going to have enough to run this job.. ;( there are 10 companies involved...but, they are all from $2 million to $15 million gross annual size, so their pocketbooks don't go deep...that's why I've been able to get them to seriously consider Free Software Vee2d2: it's ok. sometimes you just have to code sober lol hah oh...wait....you're talking shirts aren't you my bad I'd love to be doing shirts right now.. these are fitted 6 panel caps and the seam that goes down the center is really wrecking my night.. usually not a problem but with this particular design there's just too many layers for the needle to pull back out of so it ends up getting sucked off the needle socket and decapitated as the bobbin spins around :( do you have big equipment for all this Action: Vee2d2 tries some lube on the needle or it is normal(-ish) size machines it's fairly big.. 300#, not something you're going to find in sears or some such the machine itself is probably 3' tall and 2.5' wide/deep any of you familiar with how grants work.. ? sql grants? like if I were to get a grant from the nsf for some specific studies what of the results from those studies? what do you need to know? Action: jamest works at university and my wife is an accountant at same university Action: Vee2d2 is just curious about what becomes of the results? right well.. if the grants are funded from tax money, are they? i believe so seems like 'the people' would have a stake in whatever fruits were to bare.. i believe they do i know the profs have to make a proposal for what they want to research I bring this up because I met a developer of embroidery software this past weekend at a tradeshow and while I didnt really hold a conversation with him wrt opensource/freesoftware or even software development, I left the show sort of curious so I started to google around for some information and learned that he's been given 2 grants from the nsf for his work in this industry.. the first was $99K and he just got ano ther for $499K wow http://www.nsf.gov/home/grants/gc102.pdf i think covers some of that once the research is done they publish their work in public places specificly for the development of AI to mimic the though processes involved in creating the designs.. so the digitizing can be automated.. several companies have touted click and sew technology for a number of years now, but from what I've seen they've hardly been useful because they only work on very clean and very simple artwork (which is very rare, heh) and even then required as much editing on the resulting des ign as to make the automated process a no gainer.. but this guy's app I saw looked pretty promising, at least in that it looked like it only required a small amount of post process editing, though it still only worked on simple clean artwork.. i think he'll probably retain rights to it but the gov will get royalty free rights to use it I would imagine.. which had me curious how the grant process worked *i think* they really have to watch their shit at least what I've seen there are guidelines for what you can and cannot spend money on and in our case we get to keep any equipment purchases but I don't think that is the case in for-profit companies basically i think the nsf encourages people to work on things that the private sector isn't interested in at least not yet :) but then again i work for mathematics dept and those guys are doing crap that makes my brain hurt hehe but there's no money in it :) wife works as accountant in phys dept i'd be scared to know the money she deals with as those guys have the big expensive toys i hate myself god I hate myself what did you do? here is some trigger code if len("%s" % str(blkItem.lookup)): blkItem.initQuery() blkItem.fldModel.set(str(blkItem.lookup)) print "String %s" % str(blkItem.fldModel) blkItem.executeQuery() i've probably got a couple hours in this trying to figure out why it won't work it just hit me (untested) the initQuery clears the block so the next time I reference blkItem.lookup it's......drumroll please.....BLANK! WOW! it works now! value = str(blkItem.lookup) if len("%s" % value): blkItem.initQuery() blkItem.fldModel.set(value) imagine that Action: jamest goes to rip out all the debug shit he stuck in forms at least forms was honest with me the entire time "James, everything is as it should be. (you're a dumbass)" :) heheh well.. got me some good news/bad news.. discovered why i'm breaking needles.. a clasp that's part of the needle take up bar is broked.. so it's not the cap/design, but the machine.. and I wont be able to get a replacement 'till monday if then, even.. :( guess you better start hand sewing them eh? heh guess that opens my weekend up to some gnue'n! ;) go gnue! ;) yay gnue! erm... are any of you guys experienced with vnc? Action: alandd getting no answers anywhere else... i use it what's up? yea I use it too I am trying to run the server side on the ipaq. it can't run the usual vncserver script since it does not have perl running the Xvnc executable directly produces errors and so I am stuck. #handhelds.org and #familiar have no answers. I didn't even know that thing was a perl script oh, i only use vnc to view users windows desktops from krdc saves me trips up/down a few flights of stairs :) I am wandering through docs trying to find some answers. Guess I have to learn perl so I can interpret the script. I use it to harass windows users ;) j/k mainly for testing web apps in IE jamest: i use it some at work, too. saves trips to the lab! Action: chillywilly reads the script found a guy's page with the prebuilt binary and description of exactly what i want, the ipaq desktop on my PC desktop. emailed him for details but no answer yet. chillywilly: thanks! hmmm all you really need is the command line Action: chillywilly puts a print right before the system call to print the command out yea, but I don't know enough yet to know what I need. good idea! I am tryint o remember how to invoke the bastid guess I don't need to use any params bah, it didn't print it out I'm studying the options now from the --help output. OK, moved beyond first error by specifying display 1 ':1' it must have been trying to do display 0. on to the next error... ok, that didn't tell me crap blah chillywilly: thanks for your efforts. I can try on my own for a bit. Action: alandd way better response here than in the channels that are 'supposed' to help! well I can deduce the argument as there's a cmd variable that it keeps appending to jamest: I'm curious about your fixed code up there in the scroll back.. yes? value = str(blkItem.lookup) if len("%s" % value): lol that should be couldnt it be written as if not blkItem.lookup.isEmpty(): if len(value): Action: alandd is away: for a while probably alot of those functions have been added over time was just curious most of which I don't use and thus don't recall :) Action: jamest sticks with what (little) he knows :) I had been writing similar to what you had and then upon researching a traceback, or maybe it's doc'd ran across the the isEmpty() thing cmd = Xrealvnc :1 -desktop 'X' -auth /home/danielb/.Xauthority -geometry 1020x744 -depth 16 -pixelformat rgb565 -rfbwait 120000 -rfbauth /home/danielb/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5901 -fp "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" -co /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb >> '/home/danielb/.vnc/gandalf:1.log' 2>&1 ;P that should help alandd :) Vee2d2: do you have any triggers that set values across all records loaded into a block? bah, now my ice cream is all melted jamest: that's what I was trying to accomplish in this precommit trigger ah, ok it's tracebacking? yip w00t! bugz! long ago I had code that did this so am I not crazy? it's not just me? Action: chillywilly smacks alandd around some for leaving ;) dunno yet :) i'm digging in to see how it's sone done as my form was from prejcater days which means it's been years and pre new trigger system yea, the only example I could find of a precommit trigger is the very dusty example in form's /samples/track so you're trying to iterate thru all the records in memory and set a value on each field? basically ok, i'm working on one now what I'm wanting to do is iterate through the records in memory and use a value from that record to create a RecordSet to get another value, increment the retrieved value and stuff it into the current record in memory AND post the new value back to the recordset I created i'll see if i can reproduce is this to create a unique id? yes you can't use the get sequence function? but not really ah what are you using to iterate thru the block records? well, that's where most of the thousands of changes I've been making have been focused.. lol it doesn't look like we have an easy way to do this hmmmmm like.. in that track form in the samples dir, it did.. # This is voodoo to populate our primary key # This will look different when our trigger language is finalized for i in blckPerson: if blckPerson.fields.ntryPK == "": blckPerson.fields.ntryPK = "%s"%dtsrcPerson.extensions.getSequence('seq_person_id') wow, i didn't think that worked anymore not sure that it does.. but it's the only precommit example I could find.. ;) so I played with doing that or similar things wrt the block I was working with.. anytime I mention the block in that trigger though, is when I get the traceback.. DB000: msg = _('There is an error in one of this document\'s triggers.\n\nTraceback:\n') + \ DB000: AttributeError: GFButton instance has no attribute 'type' you mean that :) yea.. wait. that's on a button wtf? GFBlock in this trigger's case i'm tempted to redo part of the trigger namespace so that for i in blk works again since I can't remember why I didn't do it that way earlier I'm no longer scare to try :) Action: jamest prays that jcater hasn't been in the trigger code hehe that dude is like a machine havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Action: Vee2d2 notes the trigger code seems pretty sick from this perspective.. thanks! on-startup oh, that i thought you meant the implementation and this ;) it is a bastardization of python just needs some loving I guess well forms is about to go mainstream for a local company I'm full of oohs and ahhs everytime I open a module from forms or common they use it now to look up data and maintain system tables but we're going to implement PO system and Shipping in forms and inventory control havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. and I'm finding issues I'm so ready to work towards those same goals with gnue-sb.. i so wish/hope they'll share them every time I ask they get nervous but this rocked btw jamest: do you think they are going to release the forms? in one night I managed in 1/2 ah hour (while teacher one of their in house guys about designer) even if we worked in parallel, at least things like this will get hammered out.. ;) to overtake a java app they had someone been working on for months :) wendall911: i don't know, i have meeting tomorrow i'll push then (again) i've got a ton of little forms bugs/features I want to work on but they push from deadline to deadline I've been tempted to go download papo but I dont know how useful looking at that would be.. that would rock! I could definitely sell my people on it if that part was already accomplished ;) is papo still gnue based? i know they were getting frustrated with our (slow) pace .3 is what they based it off of wasnt it? yeah old skool as I understand, it's a highly mutated gnue .3 probably it's probably not worth it were there even blocks and stuff in there? yes blocks existed from the very first forms I released ok, I just recall derek talking about blocks as being a new thing or something it's based on something similar to oracle's sql*forms 3.0 product derek hates blocks I've 0 oracle experience and they do confuse newbs jamest: if they released the files, people like me could be helping the development cycles go a bit faster ;) true one problem will be the narrow focus of their industry they have highly customized stuff jamest: same situation here, but the main meat of things works the same true that like I said I'll push tomorrow my group are contractors as i think at least the one guy was amazed at what we did in minutes with shared and consignment inventory mine resellers with good deal of their product drop shipped from other vendors, some inventoried jamest: my project would be doing a fair share of that as well, so I would be developing that too inventories are complicated at best yip all in the US? yes ok, same here but they do jobs in both north and south america everything in USD, though? the work orders are handed down from us companies that pay in US dollars usually US companies working abroad or with remote sites ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: Vee2d2 syncs up with cvs Action: alandd is back (gone 01:16:57) chillywilly: Thanks! that is a help. I'll try it in a couple of minutes. Action: alandd praises chillwilly: "I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!" nite ya'll ta ta --- Sun Sep 14 2003