chillywilly: font issues. It is looking for fonts that the ipaq does not have. I'll be tracking that. Action: alandd better go document all this first. alandd: can you just leave it out? those fonts are probably pltform specific the path that was listed in my command it parses the X config to get them use the ones listed in your x config tried that. it still goes hunting, finds nothing and bails. s/x/X/ tracking... jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-126.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Downloaded a couple of ipkg's of fonts and the complaits are much fewer now. still borking on the "default font 'fixed'" Not sure what that means yet. hunting... is ipkg like dpkg? don't know dpkg but it is the preferred rpm-ish well.. more like deb-ish package method for ipaq stuff just about blew away my base fonts! all is back now but i still don't have the default fixed. AND i must step away for a while. thanks for the help so far! Action: alandd is away: I'm busy dpkg == rpm ~= ;P apt-get =~ urpmi, red carpet, redhat network ipkg = dpkg for ipaq Action: dneighbo thinks alandd is getting ready to see the power of #gnuenterprise... sometimes im convinced this channel could send people to outerspace... or is that we just have our heads in the clouds.... either way. ;) haha R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon511.tstt.net.tt) left irc: bah, I need to go to bed night dneighbo good luck alandd icltlfatppl (~icltlfatp@157.22.13.237) left irc: Remote closed the connection mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) left #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-47.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hallo Reinhard. hi Sacha em both of you :) how are you? Your lucky :) you still have Sunday infront of you wheras I have to go to work soon :) :) it's already 14:00 but yes must of (awake) sunday still in front :) you get into appserver again yes from time to time hard to get back into it again? no just hard to find time hmmm we might (MIGHT) come back in December will have to look for a job in January ... let me know yep. when you're bak back defenitely. http://www.dolibarr.com/ another erp/crm project under gpl ls oops wrong window jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-126.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jamest reinhard: did you happen to read any of the log from earlier? today? reinhard: wrt wendall911's interest in using appserver in a production environment anyway.. i'll look bbl reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "When all else fails, read the instructions." yesterday I think, actually. erp SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-47.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jcater howdy Vee2d2 et al SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-30.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. wb Sacha hi Vee2d2. thanks. how are you? did you fiddle with sku ;) only a little bit, jamest's led me to believe I cant actually do what I need to in that trigger right now, so I started to look at the item_maint form instead.. item_maint = item maintenance ? well, that jamest can be sneaky sometimes... iterate through the records in a block to manipulate the values of certain fields prior to commiting them, was the wanting to do part btw.. ;) SachaS, yip Action: jamest publicly thanks whoever created the PDF filter in reports simpletabulation jcater: do you know of a way in a trigger to interate thru all records in a block i'm not seeing anything in the current namespace that would allow that yes hang on the for item in block: is generating type errors as are buttons something is foobar'd well, foobar i have a 1pm meeting then I must GNUe as forms needs some tlc tlc? forms needs a bitch-slap that band from the 90s "get it together, punk!" "push it.. push it real good" don't go chasing tracebacks doh! stick to the GDebug output you're used to Action: jcater walks away from the computer... this is too much jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. how dilly doo, jbailey Vee2d2: you'd make an excellent wal-mart greeting s/greeting/greeter/ in case you are ever looking for a career change =) maybe I can do it as yet another side job wonder if I could telecommute they do have those tv's mounted all around the store a fast connection and a webcam and you're all set Heya Vee, jca, jam. havoc_ (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jbailey: you about have debs to test? with some luck today i might get ---> <--- this much GNU Enterprise time and i wouldnt mind using it to test debs :) Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.39) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: No debs yet. I started on them on Friday, and hope to be working with jamest to fix distutils suckage later today or tomorrow. Action: jamest runs wait Action: jbailey waits. I no speaka the canadian yeah, thats it 'eh? lame joke i can't help cause I don't speak canadian No, the eh was my response. =) You obviously *don't* speak Canadian. =) see! =) argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my invoice taxation report I need by 1 isn't working why!?!?!? invc_date | character varying(35) | Are you doing in in GNUe? Action: jamest beats old coder that set this stuff up with a stick Have you considered rewriting it in Java instead? yes Action: jbailey hides. Action: jamest grabs old coder and beats jbailey with him hmm i thought dates should always be char not varchar Action: derek runs they should! er, wait jbailey: i have a debian question for you is reportbug only to be used to file packaging type bugs? or say in openoffice there is something that i dont like how it works and would like to suggest it be fixed to be more compatiable with office Action: derek knows its not got anything to do with debian packaging would it be appropriate for me to file a reportbug bug or would it be more proper for me to file it in openoffice.org bug system? Action: derek is torn... i would like use a single bug reporting engine (reportbug) to make my life easier and to get the debian experience. ;) I know, as a developer, I have a preferred method for that cat > /dev/null it doesn't provide feedback heh but rest assured, it would get where it needs to go Action: jcater ducks but i dont want to bug (pun intended) the debian packager w/ a non packaging bug i thought openoffice had a place for feature requests jcater: i noticed dcl had all its email changed to nobody@foo.com jamest: it probably does there are 3 or 4 features missing that make me want to scream not to start a war, but i was going to look into making some training materials and tutorial documentations what are everyone's feeling on the GFDL based on recent debian stuff derek: It really depends ont he package. derek: For instance, glibc's upstream doesn't want to hear from you if you're not use pure pristine sources. jbailey: fair enough... a maintainer by maintainer thing i imagine The DDs are expected to handle all the user requests. In practice this means that alot of things just get forwarded to an upstream bugzilla and marked as such. But it's the DDs job to make sure that the bug/etc happens on pure upstream source before reporting it. Action: alandd is back (gone 10:31:11) for a little bit... lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.39) left irc: Connection timed out reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: cool... i might try to start using it for everything (cept GNU Enterprise cause it's cvs) ;) and its fun to send mail to jason alandd: how goes the war derek: You've filed grave bugs against gnue which would be nice if you would just fix. =) In fact, does GNUe have a bugzilla of some sort? (like, are you using the one in savannah?) dcl is our bugzilla btw: i think i didnt fix the grave bugs because they were packaging bugs :( and i didnt know how Action: derek really wants to learn how you are packaging them so i can help GNUe giving tracebacks on a missing /etc/gnue/gnue.conf file is only partially a packaging bug. as been meaning to become a debian developer and i have several other things i want to package jbailey: true... the fact that the installer isnt flexible enough to put it there is not packaging :) i.e. hard for you to fix that if there isnt good way for tool to do it... Mostly I think that gnue should fail gracefully, or (ideally) launch a wizard to step the user setup a ~/.gnue/gnue.conf file Action: derek agrees 100% on failing gracefully statement... I've intentionally opted not to work towards having system-wide database repo's as part of the install because I think that's the least likely scenario. derek: Good but not successful with VNC yet. It gives an error that the default font 'fixed' cannot be found when attempting to start the VNC server on the ipaq. I wanted to put the entire ipaq desktop on the PC for easier UI. More I imagine in an office environment that each user should have their own settings. hmmm brian might have a keyboard for ipaq if so maybe he woudl loan it to you for a week or so I thought it would fall into place quickly but now I am just spinning my wheels on it. I emailed someone for some help on it so I'll just wait to hear back from him and get back to learning GPE. were you able to get python loaded on there? if you can get python, gtk2, gnue-common and gnue-forms..... A KB would be nice but not needed at present. I am doing all the little infrastructure stuff instead of the meat of it. Got to get back to the meat for a while. that should be enought to test with Action: derek is hoping there is very _little_ porting involved yea, I'll go at that now. Action: alandd now being relative. just remember its gnue-forms -u gtk2 formname.gfd (to use gtk2 driver) hmmm.. I'll remember because I'll record it right now. or remember gnue-forms --help yip Action: jamest finds that easier :) we need an alias gnue-forms --calgon-take-me-away and map it to --help jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Current status documented at http://www.mindspring.com/~alandd/gnue/ipaqlog.html BTW, GTK 2 is what GPE 2 is already running. Gotta learn about python running, which should not be to hard since Opie runs it, why wouldn't GPE? Action: alandd shrugs Action: alandd is away: For a bit. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon517.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. haha http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003422347,00.htm cheeeeese burger 44 days idiot hope they put something in the water Action: alandd is back (gone 00:37:50) I must go "for real" alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-43-70.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" nappy? Like a diaper? jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection Owner (~savirc@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: Owner -> jcater vegan donuts? Action: jcater looks for a trashcan to puke in btw, why would a regular donut not be vegan? have milk or something in it? hi all is there any restristion to import custom module into trigger code? DB000: AttributeError: GFButton instance has no attribute 'type' that seems to be everyone's favorite traceback lately DB000: GFField instance has no attribute 'type' DB000: GFBlock instance has no attribute 'type' DB000: GFButton instance has no attribute 'type' :) have no time now to give it more testing Action: Vee2d2 needs a nap jcater: Eggs usually. And often fried in beef fat. what's the vegan stance on yeast? well.. dict calls it a vegetable organism so I guess it's ok btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Vee2d2: Depends on the vegan. Vee2d2: I tend not to fret too much about organisms that I can't see, have no form of central nervous system, and show no sign of consciousness (no community, language, etc) But I know some one who eats the stuff that Jewish folks eat on their holy days. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi btami hi Vee2d2 Action: jamest publicly thanks whoever created the PDF filter in reports simpletabulation Action: btami heart is warming up (it was me) later siesel enhanced it with TTF support Action: derek tries to picture jcater as a vegan... i suppose flashbacks of seeing him eat a six patty cheeseburger from a wendy's drive through at 1 in the morning probably is what is making it so hard to imagine ;) Ah, I only ever ate tripples. I always wanted to try an 8-patty A&W. "Animal Burger" It's not on the menu, but you can order it. well... there is a story... we were in south carolina and we were last customer in the drive through I decided to go veggie instead. Go figure. =) theyu threw everything that was on the grill in the bag so we had like 8 hamburgers.. he took the patties off all of them and made one giant burger (iirc) ROFL Nice. =) i think we got like 30 dollars of food for like 2.75 we joked that they must of pegged us as the type that wouldnt let it go to waste (and we didnt) Angie did that the other day - End of the day, talked the guy into giving her a huge cotton candy since he was going to have to throw it all out anyway. so is there anything i can do to help with GNU Enterprise debs? or anything i can do to help close any bugs in BTS? Do you have enough python sk1llz to help me make setup.py not suck? maybe... i havent played with setup.py too much.... but know python There's a few things that I need: (slow becuase I'm digging up specifics) index = sys.argv.index('--setup-cfg') setupcfg = sys.argv[index+1] I think some of these constructs are what's causing the traceback when I specify -no-compile on the command line. (required per Debian policy) Also, I'm specifying a --prefix to install to, and setup.py is stil trying to mkdir /usr/local/gnue So I think I need help reworking the site-config.cfg to not be involved in the setup at all. Ideally what I'd like is to able to specify at build time the --prefix and --sysconfdir and have it generate the site-config file correctly. Then I think I should be able to do a --root at install time to force it to install to a specific prefix. That's less clear to me, though, since other Python packages seem to use --prefix at install time. The problem is that --root says 'install relative to this place', but I don't seem to be able to specify --prefix and --root at the same to so that the net result is to install into debian/PACKAGE/PREFIX/foo... Prefix seems to be ignored and stays as /usr/local/gnue ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Excess Flood ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~savirc@cpe-066-061-086-142.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "savIRC - http://savirc.sourceforge.net" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Reality is for people that lack imagination." derek: HAcking gnue so that connection.conf isn't needed and that it automatically calls some wizard or such to create ~/.gnue/connection.conf would be ideal. jbailey: i just got called to family duty Yeah yeah yeah... =) Action: derek is seeing a lot of stuff here... i think i am going to try to clean up DCL Bwhahaha I haven't looked at dcl in ages. and get your needs conveyed as bug reports in DCL I installed rt3 the other day, and it's really nice. and i will look at fixing the connection.conf issue (i think that's one that might fit w/ my needs) Having it tied into a crm system would be really nice, though. er s/needs/time availibity) derek: You filed the bug after all. =) jbailey: i hate request tracker :) for reasons that people keep choosing it over DCL (imho) for stupid reasons derek: Yeah. The setup isn't exactly trivial. i.e. for some reason they think DCL is too hard to setup Action: derek isnt sure why... it takes all of about 10 minutes on debian I've never succesfully installed dcl. And I maintain the packge. =) GNU Enterprise gets this same gripe jbailey: i find it hilarious.... you are the maintainer and i LOVE the debs you have made gnue deserves the same gripe. On win32 it steps you through everything you need. upgrade in 30 seconds or less instal lin about 3 minutes new On Unix, it just drops you into the middle of nowehere. yeah Action: derek has been thinking about it a lot That's why I'm begging you for the wizard. and why i really am pressing for debs as if we get something we can start refining it to idiot proof :) one problem (with GNU Enterprise not DCL) is that there are so many choices its really hard to make it too easy (i.e. there is complexity for a reason) The windows setup was very slick. EVen getting *that* on Unix would be a great startr. jbailey: yeah very limited choices there and windows users are naive :) i.e. there is only one working UI driver so that choice is gone and we install all db drivers (most unix people would revolt if you installed stuff they didnt need) Oh, is there more than one choice under unix now? gtk2 works (but needs love) curses is close qt is pretty possible I would select the UI based on what file gets called. but yes point taken :) we should install the "default" Action: derek still wants to see And I would just auto detect which db drivers are installed and just present those options. gnue-forms-gtk2 That's all trivial. gnue-forms-wx or something Correct. gnue-forms can be a symlink to one of those. That's easy to select at install time. and maybe gnue-forms is a dummy package that points to gnue-forms-wx but the gnome menu, for instance, would have gnue-forms-gtk2 hardcoded. as tha tis our default currently but if in a year it became gnue-forms-gtk3 we could just change the link I wouldn't bother with a dummy package. People can select it. It'll be virtual ok and same with gnue-common gnue-common-pgsql That's the easy part. The software itself not doing what I need is the hard part. gnue-common-mysql etc Yes, sure. That's exactly right. i suppose gnue-common coud just get them all :) kind of the "oh shit mode" Mmm. Hard to say. i.e. im not sure... lets get them all :) I'd like to separate them out, since otherwise the dependancies are nuts. or i suppose we coudl tell those people gnue-common-* ok we need to get your stuff fixed gnue-common should depend on gnue-common-mysql | gnue-common-pgsql That way if one of them is installed, fine, otherwise gnue-common-mysql is pulled in. 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