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R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon1778.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: btw. the webfrontend sample doesn't works for me (on XP) maybe i'm missing something i start appserver with --web-frontend it's up and runnung i'm starting IE btami: i did never try the web-frontend at all oh, sorry Action: btami is better to ask siesel btami: no problem jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. btami it was working for me, like 4 days ago. on debian gnu/linux unstable with mozilla btami: then siesel reorganised some rpc stuff and since it did not work anymore. doing a fresh cvs checkout right now and will test it again. in case the gnue installaition allows ;) :) nickr_ (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: have you been making commits in last 24 hr? i fwd'd my mail from gnue to math and all commit emails seem to have stopped Where shall I put configuration files? [/home/sacha/gnue] /usr/local/src/gnue/gnue-cvs-install-sacha Cannot generate documentation, could not find db2html in path /usr/local/src/gnue/gnue-designer/setup.cvs from gnue-common/setup-cvs.py jamest: yes i have SachaS: actually, that output is correct (doesn't indicate an error) does it hang now? reinhard: goes ahead with asking where to install gnue-designer actually asks to setup cvs env for gnue -designer to be precise yes that's jcater's new "distributed" setup system every tool now has it's own setup.cvs script looks nice so far you guys spent some time on it ... so when a new tool is added, you don't have to change setup-cvs.py in common SachaS: yes, quite some :) btami: I can confirm that the webfrontend is working for me with mozilla. checking with ie on old win98 SachaS: what URL you type? marcello (~marcello@adsl-ull-246-102.42-151.net24.it) joined #gnuenterprise. marcello (~marcello@adsl-ull-246-102.42-151.net24.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami: http://localhost:8765 btami: did you add the httpdir directive in gnue.conf ? btami: on old win98 with ie 4.0 webfrontend does not work SachaS:yes, added httpdir do you see appserver responding at all when you connect to the port? yes it says: GET /sample.html nickr (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) so you see the listing (files in your http direcotry) ? no ok then you select sample.html what is the next debug msg? i used http://localhost:8765/sample.html with http://localhost:8765 i get thee listing of th edirr. trying... then i select sample.html server logs as follow: i got file not found (error 404) with http://localhost:8765 reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection SachaS: what is your httpdir= ? DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:22] "GET /sample.html HTTP/1.1" 200 - Dispatching: Session.close (1, 0) DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:24] "POST /localhost:8765 HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /vcXMLRPC.js HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /gnue-forms.js HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/commit-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/newrecord-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/markfordelete-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/prevrecord-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/nextrecord-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/enterquery-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/execquery-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/rollback-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/about-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:26] "GET /images/exit-24x24.png HTTP/1.1" 200 - Dispatching: Session.open ({'password': 'secret', 'user': 'hacker'},) DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:29] "POST /localhost:8765 HTTP/1.1" 200 - Dispatching: Session.request (1, 'address_person', [['eq', ''], ['const', '1'], ['const', '0']], [], ['address_name', 'address_street', 'address_zip', 'address_city']) DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:29] "POST /localhost:8765 HTTP/1.1" 200 - Dispatching: Session.fetch (1, 1, 0, 5) DB000: localhost - - [26/Sep/2003 21:39:29] "POST /localhost:8765 HTTP/1.1" 200 - btami: httpdir = /usr/local/src/gnue/gnue-appserver/extensions/webfrontend hmm jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: with ie 6.0 on win xp i get an error in page error message btami: mozilla 1.0rc2 on win xp works win xp without any service packs reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. < SachaS> btami: with ie 6.0 on win xp i get an error in page error message 15:46 < SachaS> btami: mozilla 1.0rc2 on win xp works 15:46 < SachaS> win xp without any service packs that was for reinhard SachaS: what was your httpdir= on win32 ? btami. sorry my appserver is on linux ... sorry about that. havent installed any gnue on win, ever oooooo btami. does the sample windows client work with appserver on windows? yes morning all hi jcater ok. have you tried with mozilla on windows? morning jcater not yet ok. might be an ie problem. ok,will try with mozilla too jcater: hi jcater: i very much like the setup.cvs concept you've implemented thank you I was getting frustrated w/always having to add stuff to setup-cvs.py for new tools, etc i already thought about including an "installer" package into gnue-common where the package's setup.py can inherit from (instead of directly from distutils) Action: SachaS just installed gnue cvs from fresh cvs checkout. worked nicely that would do the stuff that all setup.py's share Action: SachaS kind of likes to access appserver on linux from mozilla on win via webfrontend. 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Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZZZ R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon1778.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Nick collision from services. marcello (~marcello@adsl-168-73.38-151.net24.it) left irc: Connection reset by peer Nick change: nickr_ -> nickr anyone here gotten kplayer to reliably produce sound when playing video files? nope I exclusively use mplayer Action: chillywilly rebuilds gentoo how the hell do you get sound to work under kde? it seems karts or whatever it uses is worse than esd (that gnome uses) which seemed impossible to me do you have artsd running? chillywilly: im sure i do i have the DEFAULTS set Available audio output drivers: mpegpes DVB audio output oss OSS/ioctl audio output alsa9 ALSA-0.9.x audio output esd EsounD audio output nas NAS audio output sdl SDLlib audio output null Null audio output pcm RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output plugin Plugin audio output artsd is not an option for audio out btw: i have gotten it to work before, just not reliably :( jcater: do you use artsd Action: dneighbo goes crawling back to gnome for a minute whatever kde uses which I'm sure is artsd i use kde defaults but no sound worky work I've never touched sound under kde er in mplayer and friends so don't know how you would even go about changing brb dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hmmm sadly.... gnome is much cleaner looking i was really liking a lot of KDE if gnome team could keep the good things of gnome and the usability of KDE we might have a real desktop jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. oh boy matrix: revolutions looks just bad ass Action: derek is giddy now hell yes the trailer is sooo sweet but raises some questions like, whats the deal with the hovership in the blue sky? whats the deal with the 'orange' matrix in the 'real world' nickr: the effects look better than ever (based on the trailer) Indeed where's the trailer at? I saw one that looked old www.thematrix.com xine plays it, but you need the windows codecs I think. cause teh4 one on TV seems to be different thanks nickr you want the theatrical trailer I have all the mplayer codecs I think hell I can even play .mov and .wvm and I had to explicitly grab it by looking at the source of the page that it opens .wmv it is a .mov- whatever the damn winders crap is quicktime omh it rucks thougch :) R45 (~R45@cuscon1778.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: they coulda made the godhead ai look cooler, maybe its just the short time I saw it, but I wasn't impressed actually I have no sound right now since I have no speakers hooked up to my shuttle and I have gentoo rebuilding on the other box blah hm, I think my coffee would taste better with cinnemon coffee! I should brew some right now hello chillywilly hello thierry what's new ? I thought I saw this trailer already I was reading the philosophy section the other day afterward nothin much they just released tho complete theatrical trailer like three days ago I think. It was incomplete before then ok, well I have to say navigating their site sucks heh. I like the mplayer plugin Action: chillywilly hugs it use bit torrent bittorrent, imho, is only useful for large files how big is this trailer? the trailer is a large file 50mb I think. ok, you got a torrent derek ? ;P although I got ROCKING download speeds from the wb site you can find it here http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/ http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/rev_theatre_0x3839_640_dl.mov.torrent got it thanks Hmm. Wish I had sound on my box. 2.6.0test4 doesn't like audio on either of my desktop machines. Action: chillywilly is not brave enough to try a 2.6.x kernel No bravery required. Works fine. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-test4-i386 Action: jcater will await the win4lin patches for it though I'll be glad when it happens, 'cause the 2.4.2x kernels piss me off Why so? when lots of disk activity is going on, X becomes completely unresponsive 2.4.18 was better than 2.4.2x in that regards Action: jcater can't wait to try 2.6.x though as this is supposed to be one of the big features of it 2.6 is way better for that. The scheduler sucks in other ways, though. The neat part about 2.6 and X, is that you no longer have to nice -10 it. So running X is no harder on a system than any other application is. Might make me actually consider putting a graphic system on some of my servers. I wish I could on dma transfers on this hard drive.. it's super slow doing so made pretty big differences in my drives at home Is it just a really old IDE drive? this one, no. Timing buffered disk reads: 18 MB in 3.06 seconds = 5.88 MB/sec wait oops wrong channel setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma = 0 (off) Weird. * shrug* really isnt going to slow my coding down too much.. :) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection how do I .. re import a file in python? reload(module) ? excellent, thanks no problemo lupo__ (lupo@p5085FC4A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. moin thierry: did you see this: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/03/09/26/1517205.shtml?tid=52 looks like you need a new name for that software ;P I think "middleearth" would be a cool name for some appserver/middleware grnated you don't get sued over using the name i think flatulence would be a cool name for a software project dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. I think nautilus should rename themselves to flatulence lol "slowdeath" well, I guess flatulence wouldn't be apropo maybe, constipation would be more apt? "molasses" slow and painful ximian could rename themselves to "farted software" or something like that lol touche' mr. cater ximian == "milk of magnesia" :) ximian == "monkey shit" you confuse it with guano haha that's probably a better name, sound more "spanish" sounds mono == guano ;P apt-cache show guanod | grep Descrip Description: Daemon for distributing ape shit across the network. guano is bat shit it is bad shit, but it is from apes no from bats damnit actually the dictionary saysL who tells you such a nonsense? dubya? s/L/:/ guano n : the excrement of sea birds; used as fertilizer lupo__: bonobo is the spanish word for distributed ape shit actually pygme chimps derek: lol lupo__: do you want an ass whooping? bonobo n : small chimpanzee of swamp forests in Zaire; a threatened species [syn: {pygmy chimpanzee}, {Pan paniscus}] you all saw the report the other day right? anyway, I ruin all jokes no, what? reinhard: microsoft is a threat to national security report by @stake yea well today @stake FIRED the person that headed the report derek: tell us news havoc pasted that link to me in a different channel yesterday derek: wow LAME http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/3083901 @Stake, a Boston-based computer security firm that does business with Microsoft (Quote, Chart), issued a statement Thursday that Daniel Geer, who presented a white paper Wednesday in Washington that said the government's increasing reliance on Microsoft desktop software makes federal systems "susceptible to massive, cascading failures," is "no longer associated" with the firm as its chief technology officer. -- that sums it up.... yea now if this was a peon that is one thing... but when it's your CTO it is kind of hard to say but, what exactly is the _news_ value? c'mon, we know that since years... little M$ wankers fired him .... he was an idiot and doesn't reflect what the company thinks ... man and here I thought they actually had a spine oh well some idiot on #debian.de just flamed against RMS. I'll kick this little ignorant boy. what did he say? now this is a joke..... CIO magazine also turned down the CCIA's efforts to distribute copies of the report to the publication's subscribers, saying the material was "too sensitive," according to a report in the Washington Post. Microsoft advertises extensively with the trade magazine. I can flame RMS too too sensitive? wtf is that cause I don't worship him ;) Actually I disagree with him on many points he said RMS is nuts if they said.. WE THINK IT IS LIES... i could buy that but to say its too sensitive? its not like they are passing around nudes of pamela anderson heheh I would have fired him too. derek: nudes of pamela anderson? wherewherewhere? broman: why? broman: people should get fired for telling the truth? people are fucking fired for telling the truth 7 days a week everywhere on this planet. If I had a CTO or whatever that went out and slammed a major customer, sure. chillywilly: i agree with broman depends on if he was speaking "for" the company or not, I'd think in the sense... that your executives should not be trying to kill your business there's certain people you shouldn't do business with and M$ is one of them which is what his speech did to that company BUT i also ask why do business with those types... so its a catch-22 morally you should not be fired for telling the truth but no one ever said life was fair His first responsibility should be to his company and therefore, his customers. And that report doesn't exactly help the development model of Microsoft. derek: what is catch-22? erm, my first responsibility lies elsewhere lupo__: you can't get the outcome you want on something without first doing another thing, but that other thing depends on the first guess I'll never be come big "executive" s/come/some/ as in, "I need to find my eye glasses because I lost them, but I can't find anything without my eye glasses" so you stumble around blind until you find them such is life ;) jcater: thanks. so, "catch-22" is an implementation of the "idiot" abstract base class? though many people use it now as "damned if you do, damned if you don't" lol, no, not exactly i see so M$ is a catch-22 also? people are damned if they don't use it and damned if they do? ;P i don't use it and i don't think of myself as damned :) me either I am liberated ;P lupo__: sounds like some time for some self-introspection then empowered Action: jcater ducks lol haha self.introspect() am i confusing damned with doomed? not much difference between the two class jcater: def introspect(self): return "You need a life" Microsoft's software is pervasive throughout the government. In July, for instance, the Department of Homeland Security signed a five-year, $90 million contract with Microsoft to supply Windows operating systems for its 140,000 employees. what a waste of cash the homeland security department in itself is a waste of cash do you know the GDR? no, wassat? german democratic republic the name of the eastern part of germany that once was communist oh they had a "departmant of state security" which was a 90,000 people agency whose purpose was to spy on its own citizens (family, friends, neighbors, co-workers etc.) sounds like our department! scary 90,000 is the official number of workers they had something around 400,000 inofficial workers who did most of the spy work http://www.chronik-der-wende.de/english/term.jsp?key=E_MfS that's all greek to me jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection an agency with the right to spy on the citizens of its country will do so, it's just a question of time think "Patriot Act II" dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__: Most Canadians are more than willing to just hand over the information in the first place, there's no need to have spying priviledges. Dunno if it's the same where you are. I'd rather die than tell my government what religion I have xp_ (~wght@w02.proxy.fedex.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Of course, the government generally is willing to spy regardless. It just can't use the info in prosecuting. lupo__: Really? They stopped killing people for that like 40 years ago, didn't they? Action: jbailey hides. =) 58 years Census details here are supposedly anonymous. same here, but still I don't want to have them have my data. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Fair enough. I Can't remember what options we have for not filling out the census. I belong to a minority religion, so I try to make sure I put it down so that we continue to get the protections that standard religions do. jbailey: church of emacs? lupo__: Unitarian. (http://www.unitarier.de/) ah that is a quite sane group ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) I need a point of sale application on linux, can GNUe do this? we have a POS module in cvs gnu-pos er gnue-pos what is its maturity? app even...I've never used it though bu jcater wrote it for his wife's book store dunno talk to jcater ;) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. where can I find screen shots and such on that? lupo__: I try to avoid telling other people that their religions are insane. They tend to get violent. =) www.gnuenerprise.org oh I didn't read far back enough gnue-pos is not an out-of-the-box solution it is designed to wrap our existing database schema derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out jbailey: i know. that's why i only use that as a positive term I have a screenshot somewhere on my site but I can't seem to find it http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/pointofsale-1.png hmm what a novel place to put it :) haha heh jcater do you use barcodes, scanners, receipt printers and all of that? yes but my scanners are of the keyboard-wedge type does it use a cash drawer? yes parallel-port wedge how much did all that cost? um not much at all one beeeelion dollahs thanks to ebay :) I've had good luck with cash drawers on ebay I ordered the scanner retail Action: jcater tries to remember from who but it was ~ $100 the cash drawers usually run under $50 on ebay (there's not really much that can break on those) receipt printers as well I have 3 the drawer has a parallel connection? jcater help me!!! I have been trying to do this for years dot matrix variety can I give you my email and you can email me where to get the hardware and such? Vee: yeah, it sits on the parallel port inbetween the computer and a printer and listens for ASCII BELL xp_: sure jcater, just gets open and close commands? I can't do it immediately wgheath@qwest.net jcater I worhsip you Vee: just a "bell" command to open worship tamas (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. I've never seen one that haas a "close" command too yea, I guess it would need to just be a manual thing else you risk loosing an index or greater.. ;( which mean you'd need more failsafes etc.. easier to just push it back in and have a locking mechanism some drawers hook up to an RJ-45 jack on Epson ESC/POS receipt printers then you send special codes to the receipt printer xp_: what is this for? the next time im in a store somewhere im gonna bring a laptop and a printer cable and printf \\a > /dev/printer take the loot jcater I love point of sale, I have been searching for an inexpensive way to do it but I have been challenged by that loot! Nick change: tamas -> btami Nick change: btami -> tamas Nick change: tamas -> btami broman, I'm going to be on the look for people using wireless kbs on POS's.. ;) bah too hitech just short out the two relay connectors on the back just hit the guy with a flashlight rofl that too lol! ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" I should submit this to bash.org bah you guys are an entertaining lot :) http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=660157 dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater where are you located? Vee: hehehe xp_: Memphis, TN marcello (~marcello@adsl-74-73.38-151.net24.it) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater did you email me yet? jcater hello? no, not yet I'm kind of at work at the momenyt mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Client exiting" morning all jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" ajmitch: morning?? :) reinhard: good evening :) hey lupo will you be in frankfurt this year? LWE i'm afraid i have no time i have a full-time course in organic chemistry from mid-oct to mid-december oh that sounds very interesting (j/k) you better run organic chemistry sucks it sucks more than all whores on this planet combined and i mean it negatively, you understand :-) lol jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. tamas (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) joined #gnuenterprise. marcello (~marcello@adsl-74-73.38-151.net24.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection bonwi mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) tamas (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee (~vin@cavok154.august.net) left irc: "Client exiting" anyone know if you can add additional drives to an existing software raid-5 setup? short of backing up then restoring Action: jcater is afraid he already knows the answer ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. \t (~rastabeen@cuscon3184.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~R45@cuscon1778.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Nick collision from services. Nick change: \t -> R45 reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to ... to ... aehm ..." good night R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon3184.tstt.net.tt) left irc: ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~rastabeen@200.108.1.54) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.cio.com/research/erp/edit/erpbasics.html Erp a noise you make when you had too many burritos hehehe nickr: We're not as dainty as that in Canada. =) jbailey: I was assuming you're at a business lunch with the queen and the premier of Egypt they eat burritos? No, alright then but you were dumb and ordered an XL black bean and rice with three Coronas stop being a wuss and fprce that blech out if you can't rattle the winders it ain't worth doing Corona.... I could go fer one of dem Nick change: SachaZZZ -> SachaS hi SachaS morning SachaS hi ajmitch chillywilly I just love compiling & watching the load average go up above 15 & stay there and not being able to move the mouse cursor :) Action: chillywilly is building gentoo and wonder wtf he is doign such a thing wondering because you're on refined goat crack! bleh yea baby! chillywilly: You have too much spare time. =) ajmitch: you should understand you're a compile addict ;P it's the week end But that's right, you compile your own kernels, too, don't you? =) gentoo is "interesting" Action: dneighbo might give it a whirl someday and I don't plan on being around much must go beat children the masta is here! dneighbo: So is bovine sodomy. But not interesting enough for me to try it. dneighbo: so far it is a big fat waste of time ;) gentoo is satan. not The Satan, but evil, none-the-less not if you have a big beefy machine ;P It fdools people into wasting unbelievable amounts of time which I am not building it on ;-/ nickr: cool nickr: productivity sucks it is the prince of lies, I tell ya what jo momma my momma would be princess of lies, if she were Gentoo make -j3 is bad for system response time on a uniprocessor box so? don't use it ;) I use Gentoo and I fully disagree it is nice being able to compile things compiling !== waste of time imho :) 'nice' is not a very logical reason it is needed it is a useful too tool Compilation is certainly warrented on occation indeed, it is the very basis of free software if you do some research nickr, you would understand that portage was very well thought out and I can also install binaries as well Thats nice. I'm glad they thought it out. just do an emerge -k mypackage with use flags, it works nicely for things like apache jimd (jimd@vega.starshine.org) joined #gnuenterprise. wendall911: sure, I am just impatient ;P Action: jimd spoke at TechXNY (PC Expo) a couple weeks ago wendall911: I did a binary install but I really want a custom built system ;P Some guy from Union Pacific called me today and asked me to sit in on a conference call with lead programmers from all of the major North American RRs I think compiling it all gives ona greater appreciation for all the hard work that was put into the software, cause if it took a long time to write it should take a while to compile, no? ;) wooohoo, gcc is built He just wants a "notable" open source geek to listen in and be available to answer questions on what sorts of open source software they could use. now glibc! Nick change: SachaS -> SachaAway chillywilly, you installing gentoo yea Action: jimd should do that some day :) chillywilly: I just wanted to try it out a while back, now I run it on 4 systems...I really like it alot I still like Debian and use it a well I thnk I am in th same boat as you wendall911 except I am trying tit right now ;) it heh, funny typo lol Action: jimd is still a Debian dude (Debiatante?) I like to refer to the process of packaging something for Debian as: debiatizing :) Debian! just as long as it isn't rpm then it might be worth trying ;) There's nothing wrong RPM as a file format or as a utility. The only problem is that the distribution built around it haven't done the diligence on granularity and dependency management From what I hear (http://www.lwn.net/ had an article package managers) Mandrake's urmpi and S.u.S.E.'s YOU? ... those are pretty good. Action: wendall911 dislikes rpm based distros as well Most of my customers want Red Hat. dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-192-197.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I feel like I back in the early 90s, trying to convince Windows people to try Linux ... except now it's "Red Hat" users and Debian. (And on top of that I *still* have to work with the occasional MS Windows user on the old song and dance). jbailey (~jbailey@CPE0060082df811-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" hi dyfet hi hi dyfet hi jim sup dyfet ? hi all masta! ;P Action: dneighbo supposes this is jim dennis? who's that? lol Yep Action: jimd steps back from starting dinner Yes, I'm the Linux Gazette Answer Guy chillywilly: if you don't know, you dont deserve to ask I'm hoping to find out what's up with GNUe --- what's working and who's working on what. Derek! That's so rude! :) we're meant to be working? :) well it could get real serious soon dneighbo: please chillywilly: do a Google on my name :) not that its not serious now jimd: this is why his nick name is "masta" but if some things happen there could be paid developers Action: Vee2d2 starts working from home again on monday so might have some extra cycles available again starting next week jimd: no ;P Action: ajmitch has ~4 months off uni soon :) jimd: have you talked to m in a while? i have seen some of his employees in here recently, but havent chatted with him in some time A guy from Union Pacific wants me to listen in on a conference call with lead programmers from the six major N. Amer. RRs I had lunch with him last week unfortunately the railroads are nearing extinction :( at least the passenger lines He was visiting from Vilnus, Lithuania; and is back there now Burlington Northern's HQ is right now the road from here.. These guys are in freight I'd imagine freight would still be a big business they bought the huge defunct acer plant across the street for their IT people So I talk to him a bit and it sounds like they might need to look at GNUe GNU Enterprise might not be "ready" for them (him the guy from Union Pac.) I warned them of that. but definitely if they are willing to invest some in the framework its FAR from vaporware i.e. there is stuff there and it works s/works/works well/ but they're talking about future projects --- internal ERP stuff --- so it might be a mutually beneficial thing it just lacks a lot of polish, which drives away big fish sometimes yes the bits that are working are good. the bits that aren't generally aren't so great :) if they looked at is as a way to help the community and themselves at the same time it's probably worth their time if they are looking for something like apache that is very feature complete and suprasses prop counterparts then likely GNU Enterprise will not be appealing to them i.e. we can do some wicked cool stuff, but we are not SAP R/3 fwiw: i went to lunch with CTO of a multi million dollar company today That was the tack I was planning on sailing with them. they are considering doing the same i.e. picking up the framework and putting fte's behind it and letting their next generation software be done with GNU Enterprise that sounds quite good It's probably good that you're keeping the GNUe stuff low profile for now. It's best not to raise people's expectations into hype well particularly if they do choose GNU Enterprise it will mean multiple full time FTEs working towards a warehouse solution one that is fully integrated with EDI services and tightly coupled with UPS/FedEx shipping solutions BTW: do you know where I could get the UPS shipping pricing tables, by zip code; and the California Sales tax in text format; by zip code? I have a customer that needs to add shipping and sales tax support to a little PHP ordering appleet. can't they just get an account and use their xml server? chillywilly ? brb; checking stove UPS has web services that you can purchase and you8 query their server with an xml request to get shipping rates, etc. using it in a project right now chillywilly: yes you should be able to use their APIs I don't know the specifics of setting up the account but havoc might ? ;) dneighbo: we use it right now :) chillywilly: UPS xml services don't cost anything you just have to sign up I thought they did....heh well that's cool dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-192-197.mad.east.verizon.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). no wonder their services leave something to be desired... ;) Action: chillywilly ducks R45 (~rastabeen@200.108.1.54) left irc: well that's why its not that simple their services suck... if you dont have a relationship with them if you have a relationship with them you can get a whole new level of api's and services :) dneighbo: not likely back dneighbo: our client spends at least $20k a month on UPS services, and they get nothing hi havoc yea, where is the new magic API? ;P Actually I thing these are FedEx customers ajmitch: hi dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.164.179) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here? No. "here" is an illusion created by the medium. YEs it is... Nobody is actually "here" anymore than "here" exists. Hello, How can I reverse my change in cvs? 1.1 is the correct version where 1.2 is the wrong version that update by someone else.? Action: jimd is "here" Here exists :) any idea... which is neither here nor there. jimd is talking "Here" ;) where? ;P here :) you are recieving messages electronically. There is no here, it is a metaphor. Here ===> a Cyber spce :) nickr: can I get a neural interface? chillywilly: No, but we can give you the next best thing the matrix? just plug me in dude No, sensoraual interface with subvocal chillywilly: any answer of my CVS? we can speak the language of the brain, but we can speak the language of the senses problem Whatever... I don't understand what your issue is chillywilly: revert a change oh yea I read it again grab the previous revision, commit that checkout the old version with -r and then commit it again? chillywilly: that file will stay tagged need to clear the tag before committing iirc :) chillywilly: let me try. ajmitch: how do you do that? I haven't used cvs in a while bleh chillywilly: ... HAr chillywilly: simplest way is hack CVS/Entries ;) which is unfortunate ajmitch: jsut to revert a change? however the -A flag when committing might work that seems silly -A is update only, sorry of course it's silly and there's probably a better way Action: chillywilly looks for that better way hum... cvs need a way to reverse a change... there's a way to do it I know there is http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/admin/cvs/cvsrevert.html cvs needs taken out the back & shot hehe cvs admin command can revert changes What? Take out the back and shot... see the URL I gave --- Sat Sep 27 2003