ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" dtm (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Vee2d2 just got 'nother cup of coffee.. stupid coffee maker I thought, wow.. it's really only 9:30? 'till I turned to the oven and noticed it's 12am EHLO OLHE! !! Vee2d2: what manner of silliness are you up to i think that half the time i walk away from my system, i come back to a GDM login prompt. 00111101 11011100 00000110 :-o ick that sucks other people or the system? yes it does, but BY GOLLY i run my irc client in 'screen'! it's just my desktop or neeners, perhaps. dyaahhh.. ok that's not cool, when i leave a major email in partial composure. i hope Thunderbird saved it. ahh, that's the worst.. NO IT DID NOT. :/ Vee2d2: how are you doing? i was just thinking i'd be doing slightly better if i had some Cool Ranch Doritos(tm) I was ssh -X'ing into this box from work and launching sylpheed to compose emails sometimes from work and either killed my local sylpheed only to recall I'd left the composer open.. or vice-versa left work without finishing one.. heh yes in-deed, markedly better. Action: Vee2d2 is cleaning out riff raff from directories he intends to include in his automated backup d0h you should run it in VNC then oic like the mp3s I get vertigo using vnc wha? ;) how can this be? oh i know you've got your copy of 'vncclient' accidentally aliased to 'xmelt' :/ hey i need xmelt. i have xsnow that could be that or xgivemevertigo and i just dont know why you keep doing things like that, Vee2d2 I'm damned ln happy oic well, you do what you gotta do and whatever it is i just want you to know that while you're doing it, i'll be eating your cookies :\ and that's what *i* gots ta do. so what've you been upto? besides making excuses for not responding to people's email ;) oh yeah well other than that, uh i forget. i've been doing some marketing work i made a mailing list, designed a postcard with custom designed labels and a mail merge database, for my client's clients, all using free software this month, i have gone just about zero to 60 in openoffice, mplayer, wine, and i dont know what else. oh, and i spiffed up web log analysis and gimp good stuff holy cow, that sounds like a lot. i have one piece of proprietary software behind me, and it's only a demo and it hasn't been required yet and i say that because i'm doubly proud of being autonomous on free software, especially because in all ways other than ease-of-use, it has ***spanked*** its proprietary counterpart. shut it down, regardless of price Vee2d2: what about you my fingers are too sore to type it all out.. just been busy in all areas.. d0h yeah i'm madstoopidbusy well i hope it's good for ya. stomp '1' for yes, and '0' for no :) it's all good ok wife just got home.. oh. hi @ wife maybe I can con her into massaging my digits :) fyi mplayer is absolutely magically delicious yes, yes, yes it is. it's crazy mad delicious anyone know a sane tv guide? the learning curve is ridiculous, but it's worth it that is free? derek: tv.yahoo.com is what i use zap2it is what I use and or xmltv's stuff to snarf it's data Vee2d2: do you have a DVR? zap2it.com i dont, just a tv dtm: no, just tv ok derek: how's it going dewd tvtime rocks like that gracias dtm: hell the hell are you!!!!!!!! !!!!!! Action: Vee2d2 bows out for time with the wife.. bbl i am hellfine Vee2d2: l8r Vee2d2: i just grabbed xmltv i just fully realized today how often I have heard the phrase "competition is good" in relations between two alternate free software projects. wtf is xmltv? and that is to say "a lot" chillywilly: herrow?! hi! chillywilly: what it is bruh competition is always good! ;P i know that chillywilly is wisened in the ways of the mplayer and so have i seen the light Action: chillywilly is building more stuff on his gentoo box oh saints preserve us chillywilly uses gentoo I just started playing with it right now gcc 3.3.1 is compiling I have kde 3.1.4 too b3w4r3 and X 4.3.0 well, i have redhat8 with Ximian Desktop, since we're swapping notes more bleeding edge than debian unstable! f3r3 Action: chillywilly walks on the wild side i'm not at all bleeding edge except my winex and some of my mplayer mplayer should be renamed pr0nplayer ;-o oh .. uh... well i have no idea what YOU use it for. although i guess i do now. i think it should be renamed juairezplayer juairez? or generally something that doesn't blatantly give the finger to the monopoly which monopoly? thereby begging to be legally scrutinized. i guess they figured it would be, no matter what :) THE monopoly? the one that wrote MPLAYER.EXE oh THE Monopoly or..HA! .. the one that wrote it, blackmailed it, thieved it, or whatever. i dont know HOW they procured it. yeah that one the FAQ #2 on mplayerhq.hu is hilarious that's the one you can read if all their other docs dont work for ya i must say that mplayer is probably some of the highest technology i've come face to face with in as long as i can presently recall it's scary chillywilly: so how's the fam btw after my powerbook broke, i bartered with a local linux ISP for a freebie peesea. i have a 300 MHz pentium II with 80 MB of RAM! on that, i run mplayer, openoffice, gimp, mozilla, thunderbird, xmms, etc simultaneously :-/ it's shown me how relatively efficient the free softwares is again dtm: everyone is ok chillywilly: http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/ .. for simply watching tv on the pc, http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/ rocks I have no tuner card nor do I have a decent monitor (yet) gonna apring for an LCD spring johannesX (~johannes@M1264P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Nick change: thierry -> thierry[garage] chillywilly: what are you up to tonight nothin' waiting for gentoo to finish compiling ;P going to roll a kernel well if it ever finishes feelin' kinda tired oic that's pretty much what you do, when you use gentoo it's like driving a car in town. hurry up and wait. well I could've skipped the upgrade and like let it build overnight it's like debian on dialup ;) you let it go overnight ;P btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning yo good morning chillywilly: yeah or in other words, a quantum leap backwards btami, reinhard: hey there dtm: whatever btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: chillywilly puts dtm on ignore and goes on his merry way http://www.peerfear.org/rss/permalink/2003/09/30/NewsMonsterIsHiring/ oh whoops. i assumed that was a telecommutable job, but it's not. are you working? i've got some clients now ok bed time chillywilly: l8r btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.164.179) left irc: "Client exiting" thierry[garage] (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) thierry[garage] (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo_ (lupo@pD9542256.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) lupo_ (lupo@p5085FCF4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: thierry[garage] -> thierry steveb (~steveb@218-101-45-91.paradise.net.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. steveb (~steveb@218-101-45-91.paradise.net.nz) left #gnuenterprise. 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ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. morning all morning howdy doo reinhard: do all the changes in setup.py make it install different i need to update my cvs production install but didn't know if I need to plan for debug time jamest: do you need to update only forms, or common, too? derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reports does the install behave different are things still in /usr/local/gnue by default have any packages changed locations or startup scripts need alteration if so then I'll postpone till a less hectic time siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-36.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. hi reinhard hi siesel jamest: as long as you leave common in the state it is there should be no problem at all as i didn't even touch reports ah but if I update common then I should expect issues? not necessarily but you should be prepared although you will get any help from me you need to resolve them as quick as possible (if i'm available, of course) reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) to be honest i'd _like_ you to update common somewhere where you use the other tools while i'm here to help you but i myself want to know if it breaks something or not i would love to i want to gnue so bad it hurts but I'm in tax hell for a client Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard actually i'm in client hell :) i really don't think it would be more than 2 or 3 symliks to fix the problems if there are problems at all my "part time job" took 110 hrs of my life last month ouch that's what they'll say when they see the bill :) lol we had a 10/1 deadline i delievered on 9/29 wow they changed way too many things on 9/29 btw things still get installed in /usr/local/gnue by default cool what changed is things like it's taxation .../shared/images -> .../share/gnue/images .../translations -> .../share/locale ah, wrong window that's actually all i remember off hand ok i feel better knowing that i changed that to be more fhs compatible i figured i'd cvs up and things would be somewhere like because using prefix=/usr would end in quite odd directories /usr/share/lets/play/hide/and/seek lol siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-36.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jbailey anything i can help you? Yeah, 'couple questions. It looks like it installed in /usr/lib/gnue/gnue/.... (pulling up the command line I gave it) BTW, I also committed the debian/ directory to the gnue-common directory, and updated the README.cvs file DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL += --prefix=/usr --install-lib=/usr/lib/gnue yeah So it would've had --root and all that, too. /usr/lib/gnue is the start of the python tree Okay, as long as it's what you expect. the second "gnue" then is the "outmost" python module from gnue.common I'm also wondering if it should be in /usr/share, since it's not arch-specific. however maybe it's better to have it /usr/lib/gnue/python then the dir would be /usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue. then the dir would be /usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/common for example I can do that. =) i think it's better i also thought about /usr/share 'kay. So I'll do --install-lib=/usr/lib/gnue/python then? but then again why is python itself installed in lib instead of share? I'll wait until someone files a bug against it. It doesn't look like any other python stuff is in share. Despite the fact that by policy it should be. But I might not know the python sub-policy well enough... anyway i would be for /usr/lib/gnue/python Done. Is there any useful way to test this, BTW? two ways 1) if you can start gnue-schema --help then at least the most important things work 2) if you want you can also package gnue-appserver :) Erm. you should need no PYTHON_BLAH_BLAH_ARGS for that Is gnue-schema supposed to be in /usr/bin ? um yes Oh, hey, there it is. =) hey don't make me nervous, do you! :) siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-36.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: packaging gnue-appserver should really be trivial now Yup. Packaging all of gnue because easy now. =) no i didn't touch forms and reports yet Ah, okay. =) Did you enjoy what the debian packaging became with all of this? yes very much when i see things done in a way i regard as non-optimal i always feel a very strong urge to fix it espeically when it's inside projects i like very much :) jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: may i be curious how does making a release work in debian? reinhard: curiosity killed the cat, you know? do you upload to some special directory and then it's built automatically on all platforms? reinhard: Yes. Except that gnue's code is set to run on all arch's without needing a recompile. ah ok but generally debian owns a build server for every supported architecture? Well. "Debian owns" might be too strong. "debian has" Also note that some slower architectures have several build server. +s Like there's a dozen motorola 68000 boxes or so to handle the load. these are the things that facinate me in debian: build-infrastructure, bts... I can generally answer questions about those. =) i think not many companies in this world have a more automated infrastructure all across the world than debian and 20:00 utc is the time when the build servers sync with the upload directory, right? Unless I have the timezones wrong. It's 3pm Easterns, noon pacific. I *think* we're -0500 right now. but I get standard time and daylight savings time mixed up all the time. and if you upload today, about when will i be able to apt-get install it? About an hour after that. cool so if you manage to upload common and appserver today new releases? i can do some major tests tomorrow with appserver lupo_: no, brand new debian packages currently made from fresh cvs ah but (jcater/jamest please beat me if i'm wrong) i believe we might release as soon as debian packaging seems to work so that jbailey doesn't have to package a cvs version Blargh. I need a tar command to rename a file as it goes into the archive. I think there's a way to do it, but I don't know it off hand. eewww Action: lupo_ is away: kung fu training reinhard: Not horrible. It's useful for doing dated backups and such. In this case it's that the source dir name needs to be gnue-common-20031001 in the tar file. So far I've just been renaming the files and renaming them back. But if I could just do it on the way in, it would be fine. i don't think so it might work with a symlink ln -s gnue-common gnue-common-20031001 tar cvfz foo.tar.gz gnue-common-20031001/* yep seems to work I'll just to mv's for now. Really? Hmm Okay. That is easier then. Well, safer anyway. =) please note that this variant doesn't include gnue-common/.* while the other one does however there should be no such files (except .cvsignore) you could always do a "cp -l" oh, nevermind I thought reinhard said it didn't include gnue-common/* but that's a tad different than gnue-common/.* :) Action: jcater goes back to his hole http://www.penny-arcade.com/ads/rightvert/ad10038.gif yet more evidence against those northerners damn canadians dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) all that pot smoking probably stained theirs so now they're after ours =) siesel (~jan@xdsl-213-168-111-36.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" poor jbailey have all these silly lamericans making fun of 'im dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.62.97) joined #gnuenterprise. Oh dear. =) just remember I like you even if you are from canadia jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest (~jamest@adsl-66-142-212-57.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. asdfasdf (sdg@152-169-ADSL.red.retevision.es) joined #gnuenterprise. asdfasdf (sdg@152-169-ADSL.red.retevision.es) left #gnuenterprise. wow, jamest ran all the way from the math dept in manhattan to tpkaks in just a few minutes 12:35 -!- jamest [~jamest@adsl-66-142-212-57.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net] has joined #gnuenterprise 12:34 -!- jamest [~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] who is here :) reinhard: I can't do appserver today, nor upload today. too many meetings. bbiab /away I'll be having my RHCE exam after 32 hours :( jbailey: solidarity, brother anyone got any hints? dcmwai: give a hoot. dont reboot. hoot? why Action: jcater hoots CAWWW!!! CAWWW!!! Action: dtm flaps around wow i'm working on another GreatPlains-to-gnue recruit. :) and he's an irc pup. so you guys are going to have to be nice to him. we have excellent customer service around here, right? five stars? *burp* absolutely :-. cool i'm not asking anyone to put on their pants or anything. no big deal. caleb_ (~caleb_@206.142.130.67) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hello well lookie what we got here. it's a caleb_. dtm: ahh, looks like i downloaded sb rather than the reg gnue oic well you should do the other thing then and stuff nightly snapshot or current release? reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "No problem is so interesting that you can't just walk away from it." jcater: you can guide him eh? ill grab a nightly if there are no objections... dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dont know what it does yet but the designer looks cool ;) marcello (~marcello@adsl-13-207.38-151.net24.it) joined #gnuenterprise. for i in `find . -type f` ; do if [ ! -f "~/.mozilla/default/ss76kiet.slt/${i}" ] ; then echo "~/.mozilla/default/ss76kiet.slt/$i" ; fi ; done man why doens't that work? it's echoing all files even those that exist. i'm trying to migrate a mail/news profile from Thunderbird to Mozilla. are any of those double quotes needed? well, yeah. it wouldn't make any difference anyway. nm i just did a 'cp -ia' :) :/ I've checked out the gnue stuff, I think it has good potential. If there is some way i can help email me at marcello.dellalonga@poste.it . I run debianppc, and OSX 10.2. I have previous experience with aci 4D rad tool in a small project (< 30 tables), i know java, smalltalk (but did no projects using these languages), i'm learning python and postgresql as i explore gnue. I'm italian, CS student, among other things. marcello: cool marcello: what kinda mac do you have powerbook titanium, 667, the second series cool. my pismo just died. :( and an old 7300@166 :) oh but i do have a Wallstreet II which is partially functional once i get it back which will have YDL on it once again i had checked out ydl but debian was the only one to install in my 7300 - i have a non apple hd huh! what difference does that make? it's not bootable by open firmware? nope but that's not a prob one uses bootx yeah i used to use bootx on my wallstreet II the 7300 is an old rom machine. the prob was that every linux installer failed debian too oh, oldworld?