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Action: Vee2d2 hugs dtm and takes his offerings y4y sometimes, depending on the context, chocolate+soda == love Vee2d2: what are you doing up? 24/7 shift? anyone here into syslog.conf? my pppoe auth messages are going to all ttys, not to my log file despite this: PPP-Account.* /var/log/mt.ppp PPP-Info.* /var/log/mt.ppp PPP-Error.* /var/log/mt.ppp Action: Vee2d2 has been working, but pondering walking into the darkness wtg (~merlinx@ppp191-243.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) joined #gnuenterprise. yea.. darkness it is.. nite what darkness, where ok l8r wtg: hi wtg: do you know syslog.conf dtm: what OS? What syslog? LuftHans: rh8 n8 Vee2d2 yes, neight using standard syslogd or one o' them newfangled syslog thingies? it's sysklogd never heard of it. it's default rh8 plus eratta I've heard of it, but don't know it ok isn't the syntax comparable std syslog doesn't let you do things like PPP-Account.*, PPP-Info.*, PPP-Error.* i'm assumign that the way syslog works is that some service makes up its own message names like PPP-Account.* and then syslog.conf is told to listen for them. i've nver done syslog before. in all these years amazingly The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, authpriv, cron, daemon, ftp, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security (same as auth), sys- log, user, uucp and local0 through local7. there should be a man page for syslog.conf or whatever sysklogd uses syslog was written for speed and reliability. modularity is usually contrary to at least one of those two :) yeah. ok well, is my assumption correct? if those do indeed catch PPP stuff and /var/log/mt.ppp exists I would think those rules work sup freaks syslog-ng! check for rules to console or tty. You probably have a catchall or something for that chillywilly: high. LuftHans: i'd think so too maybe /var/log/mt.ppp has to exist with proper perms and ownership ( it does for traditional syslog ) maybe it's seeing the rules or log file as not quite correct, so spitting out things that match those rules to the consoles yeah. if you comment those rules out and reload the syslod daemon do the logs to the consoles stop? the file exists and with the same perms as /var/log/messages sorry dtm ... i know little about the workings of syslog i dont know about commenting it out, coz the messages are from customer logins which is a chaotic event wtg: hehe ok thx LuftHans: so i dont think i'll try that atm yeah, might not be good on a prodx server :) do you have another rn8 box to test on? yes but i dont have the pppoe server/client setup there well, then, let's go hose that one ;-) indeed ah it's also logging the same-looking info to /var/log/messages ok, do you have any rules logging to /dev/? nosir http://smuckola.org/etc/syslog.conf.text that's it. 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I presume the things you're seeing aren't *.emerg do the other mt.* files get what they're supposed to? nosir i just created them. maybe take that list I pasted in and post each of them to a different file and see what gets what what, from the man page? 02:27 < LuftHans> The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, authpriv, cron, yeah, them 02:27 < LuftHans> daemon, ftp, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security (same as auth), sys- 02:27 < LuftHans> log, user, uucp and local0 through local7. that list? hm are there docs for sysklogd in /usr/share/doc? yup, that list do you use rcs or something else for conf files? not at this piont i used to you know how to use rcs? yes cool mkdir /etc/RCS; ci -l /etc/sysklog.conf :) yeah ok sure fscking client eating tabs! for i in auth authpriv cron daemon ... do touch /var/log/my${i}; echo "${i}.* /var/log/my${i}" >>/etc/sysklog.conf"; done :) clever those mt.* are logs from the Microtik router appliance which does pppoe auth and whatnot, fyi hmmm, well, could you reconfigure it to send to two syslogs? here's what my fellow admin says: I want the auths sent to a different log file only. I haven't tried to figure out what they are coming in on. But we do want them in a separate file. If you figure it out, redirect them. The vendor did not say what they are sending as. === maybe reconfig the one rh syslog to send *.* to the other one? so I might need to rtfm on Microtik and find out the name of its signals.. maybe the relevant entries in syslog.conf are entirely wrong. sending to syslog in clear text? sniff the packets? hehehe it should be sending syslog facility as part of the message, so you could see what it's using auth info should be going to authinfo or something anyway 257 packages upgraded, 67 newly installed, 3 to remove and 1 not upgraded. not even 300 packages to install to upgrade from woody to sarge :) Action: dtm rebuilds perl in the background ah, but only 344 packages on that box :) the naming of that software after characters in Toy Story is disturbingly surreal imho :) and blatantly proprietary and commercial which i guess is half the surreality behind it that's my only beef with it I don't think it's given them much advertising, though if anything, it's helped debian get the word out how's that? it's totally stupid. what's it got to do with anything, let alone anything good :) ? well, it's one of those trivia things that catches peoples attention at least it wasn't characters from the madonna children's books or harry potter, which was possible since bruce also worked for hp :) oic LuftHans: so what are you up to? usually 2 or 3 in the morning :) I'm currently doing some dist-upgrades and getting ready to wrestle with a mail problem yeah me too more or less hmmm, need to put the laptop on the air, so I'll probably log in to work and see how my batch job is doing what's this about air what batch job on the air == turn it on and hook it up to the Net batch job == bunch of db queries, some of which take a couple of hours wow querying for what doing data extracts for people who do 'things' with the data don't know that 'things' == I hope to sneak GNUe into some of what I'm doing :) oh and i can tell you're a sneaky one need to get that working on the laptop this weekend Replace existing XFree86 4.x configuration file? [no] yes the video card on that box doesn't work anyway :) hehe Action: dtm exudes a mad rush for perl! hmm, speaking of RUSH, guess I'll listen to them... Y4y good man wwhat cd vapor trails all the others are on the box that isn't currently running a web server I need to re-org my ogg collection ( and finish ripping my CDs ) oic i have no ogg er, wait, i made one movie into ogg+divx5==ogm Action: LuftHans is all ogg, all the time :) oic nice chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon508.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Action: LuftHans schleicht ins Bett ab. what? jeez, perl's finally done installing. 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Nick change: mdupont -> md-bk-2300CET thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Connection timed out thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. md-bk-2300CET (mdupont@p5080ED4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) aloha howdy bbiam jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-190-54.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-190-54.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust70.leed.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. hi psu hi well, the time has come after 6 weeks silence/gap to admit I've not got time to do GNUe Traffic/KC for the foreseeable future Email sent to info@gnue.org with possible options from here ;-( jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-190-54.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" psu: well thanks for the time that you were able to put in :) psu: on behalf of the whole gnue team (i think) i can tell you a gigantic "thank you" for all the work you did it was invaluable the kc and also the website and believe me i have deepest understanding for your current situation Action: LuftHans high fives reinhard. ( good timing :) and i think all other, too because don't we all go through such phases from time to time? email sent to info@gnue.org with some possibly alternatives since I think a regular news update is useful but we need to have something that is managable in terms of workload right bearing in mind that the main output of the porject has to be code rather than news ;-) :) woohoo Turkey 0 England 0 peee esssse yeeeew jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-58.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-58.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-58.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~r45@cuscon2381.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. psu: yeah you did a ton of work that i'd never want to do :) thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) psu: how about if we stop talking about useless crap in here? that'd make KC easier. ;) we'll register #gnue-crap and leave this one for a couple sentences an hour Junk: or make non-related stuff have a prefix :) i think probably the other way around. because the noise to signal ratio is so high by default dtm: as it is on most channels/lists :) as well it shoudl be. R45 (~r45@cuscon2381.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) R45 (~r45@209.94.210.203) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jamest thanks psu and wishes him well wrt to his other activities psu: i think the consensus was always that others considered KC maintenance to be tedious and wouldn't have done it :) i always respect someone who does that stuff that's how i am in other ways and when i grow up, I wanna be just like psu dtm: it looks like we have an opening for you to start growing up :) oh ..uh... did i say that? hmm Action: jamest grabs psu's old shackels and eyes dtm..... :-I hmmm, it's only an hour drive <:-I hmmmm |-x jamest: what ELSE are you up to this weekend jamest_ (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-58.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-111-58.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: jamest_ -> jamest this new box is about as stable as a typical gnue contributor R45 (~r45@209.94.210.203) left irc: :/ jamest: whose box is it mine ok so what's the best way to get into mysql if you dont know the admin password? mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection I think mysqladmin will still let you in ha! really? LuftHans: is that a binary app or a web app? the original server admin here forgot the passwd i guess i could try to find what apps currently access it, and grep for their config! which is Shirley in plaintext yay mysql community apps shouldn't be connecting as dba as what? as database admin == root for db oh yeah. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. naptime http://www.sito.org/cgi-bin/egads/showart?show=nar.0113 LuftHans: l8r psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust70.leed.broadband.ntl.com) left #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) Nick change: reinhard_ -> reinhard oh did LuftHans mean the cli binary 'mysqladmin'? nickr: that your handiwork? indeed it is omg nickr == 31337 nickr: dewd ihad no idea youdid all this art & stuf nickr: you wouldn't happen to be into country primitives, would you :) heh not primitive as in prehistoric looks like you'd be that type of primitive spiffy i'm starting a primitive art store online to complement the retail side, and this image there reminds me of some of our welded sculptures metal plates cut with a plasma torch and then rusted dtm: what's your url? doesn't exist yet jcater but it's http://hotr.biz aka http://primitiveart.biz i jsut registered them this week though so nothing's there my goal is to be on the front page of google for keyword "primitive art" within 2 months so, we shall see plasma cutting takes good equipment and a lot of skill to do it accurately and rapidly and my uncle does it yea, the style is intended to be neo-primitivism huh. a lot of my stuff is like that I was thinking of doing a series of similar works well i see a lot of that in my research for country primitive which is way different you dont happen to do stuff like snowmen, scarecrows, witches, pumpkins, and raggedy dolls, do you :) I maybe using the wrong term ehehehe lets call it 'technoprimitivism' no it seems that there is overlap in the naming of the two genres. they have "primitive" in common. heheh you can have "primitivism" and i'll have "primitive" ;) no i call mine "country primitive" people in the genre of course call it simply "primitive" country primitive sounds like, I dunno coz you can kind of tell the difference between skull/bones vs. snowmen cheesey primitivism hotel art !? ok whatever! thats what country primitive makes me think of lol well maybe you should lOOK AT IT then :) heheh u silly but seriously i can see some overlap in technique too ah I see some country primitive is downright scary that was my other guess some of it is like "nightmare before christmas" have you seen that yea some of it happy, some scary mdupont (mdupont@p5080E710.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. my side is the mostly happy stuff but we do have some abstract figures which are slightly grim the raggedy andy doll things are freaky enough for the rest of it like a sun stencil carved out of a thick rusted metal plate with a face to it yea, those are cool or can be cool or dolls with dredlocks, and a mouth made out of stitches those are freaky always they can look neutral, not blatantly scary but others, man, *whew* at other stores in town disturbing night all reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "All things being equal, fat people use more soap." nickr: so if you're interested in making custom stencils, i might talk to my uncle yea. custom stencils? coz they were shipping em across the US and Canada before Like to be blasted out of metal? yeah for being plasma cut yes they're like 1/4" thick it'd be neat to have a metal version of hephaestus yeah. although I was planning on getting into that area well see it takes madskillz to do it that accurately without cutting all the way through between adjacent cuts and he's a long time industrial welder I'd probably be interested in such a thing and has all his own equipment I have to create many more designs though well it doesn't terribly matter; i'm interestd in whatever's unique I'd LOVE to have a plasma cut version of ... erm and whatever's compatible with our genre sec we dont want just abstract art, but rather something of a country genre recognizable mystical figures like a sun and moon overlapping well theres el pollo :) things from a medievil harvest morning it might fit into your genre ajmitch: herro ajmitch: <3 whaddpa http://www.sito.org/cgi-bin/egads/showart?show=nar.0090&idonly=nar&seq=23 nickr: El Pollo Loco? :) indede ;hehe hey i might ask your advice on colorizing or otherwise upgrading our existing logo on hotr.biz this is my fave but isn't in your genre http://www.sito.org/cgi-bin/egads/showart?show=nar.0089&idonly=nar&seq=24 i want to make a series of seasonal logos not unlike how google.com's is your current logo does communicate the nature of your product effectively like where teh leaves are green or brown, the sky is blue or gray, grass, etc depending on the season one with a snowman to the side and snow falling basically "country primitive" is extremely broad, it's not just some rubberstamper on ebay :) hm? Oh yea I realize that hehe well i'm just saying some is pretty gawdy but my aunt is strictly premium I see mostly positive or high in energy ok that last one is way too intricate to plasma cut ;) hehe thats weirdly dejavuish unless it was maybe 8' wide hehe I'd like an 8' version :) I suspect I will have to be the one to create it tohugh It'd take forever. hehe $$$$$$ most of my drawings are that level of intircacy far out dewd yeah hm i dont have any of ours online to send atm I think El Pollo is the only one I've done related to your genre :) I really like the shapes in this one http://www.sito.org/cgi-bin/egads/showart?show=nar.0088&idonly=nar&seq=25 yeah el pollo is pretty intricate too It started as a small post-it sized drawing depending on my uncle's willingness and availability, i'm thinking of making an online store just for welding of course he might be totally unwilling to do any more art he's a pickle pickle wet and sour? sour, for sure hehe i can't even find any pics online or info on anything relevan t everything else is like jewelry or outdoors large sculpture hrm suddenly I'm itching to make another carving ;) hi all geez, you people need to get out more Action: dtm slaps chillywilly this way and that :) well I am going out with my honey so nanner nanner nickr: :-o ooooo your industrialmeats.com has the cool transparent overlay technique chillywilly: ok l8r have fun geeks lataha hahaha cool transparent overlay technique? so, there is this file format called DataNorm 4.0 that is like a semicolon separated thing for the german market. It is used o describe products for the heating and sanitary industry