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<mdupont> good morning!
<mdupont> how many gnue packages can be downloaded?
<Vee2d2> 0 ?
<Vee2d2> you sound like you're ready to pioneer that effort though. :)
<mdupont> yes
<mdupont> i am
<chillywilly> HEH
Action: Vee2d2 has been chatting with a PLUG'r that attended Derek's class
<mdupont> I am ready to help you guys make a solid set of modules
<chillywilly> butt plugger?
<Vee2d2> mdupont: chillywilly is here to assist you with anything you need. 
Action: Vee2d2 runs
<mdupont> how about this gcl/gcd
<mdupont> how far is it?
<chillywilly> gcl?
<mdupont> Well, I got the cvs snapshot
<mdupont> there about 20 files in gcd format
<mdupont> how can I compile them?
<chillywilly> they're the old object format for old the obsolete appserver in C
<mdupont> module acct {  class param  { # class and module refer to the ones   #   defining the parameter    char  mod_name<128> not null; # fully qualified module/class name
<mdupont> this is an object format?
<chillywilly> idl-like format
<chillywilly> module, class, etc.
<chillywilly> what's not OO about it?
<chillywilly> it's an "object definition language" of some sorts
<mdupont> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/gcdParser.py
<mdupont> is that the parser?
<mdupont> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/GodlParser.py
<mdupont> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/OdlParser.py
<mdupont> ./gnue-common/src/definitions/GParser.py <-- or that?
<chillywilly> that is a parser
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/gcdParser.py
<chillywilly> that for the old gcd format
<chillywilly> 01:30 < mdupont> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/GodlParser.py
<chillywilly> 01:30 < mdupont> ./gnue-appserver/src/_featuretest/OdlParser.py
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> great
<chillywilly> thos are to support ODMG's ODL
<chillywilly> that's kinda stale code though
<chillywilly> and not used in the release ar all
<chillywilly> I wrote those 2 parsers after getting into the ODMG standard
<mdupont> great
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<mdupont> that is good stuff
<chillywilly> then stopped for various reasons
<btami> good morning
Action: mdupont tries to get the gcl running
<mdupont> gcdParser
<chillywilly> gcl?
<chillywilly> wth is gcl? ;P
<chillywilly> oh
<chillywilly> ./gnue-common/src/definitions/GParser.py
<chillywilly> that is the xml parser base class
<chillywilly> all gnue xml format parsers use it
<chillywilly> it's a SAX based parser
<mdupont> i dont know
<mdupont> i am bad with names
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<dtm> hi
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/gcdParseSimple.tgz 
<mdupont> this is a simplified copy of the gcdParser and the gcd files in an easy to use archive
<mdupont> does not need all this funky stuff
<mdupont> does not seem that the parser *does* anything
<chillywilly> that's part of experimental code in appserver
<chillywilly> that has been rotting a while
<chillywilly> so yea, it's probably not very useful
<mdupont> ok
Action: mdupont adds in an argv handler
<mdupont> and makes this puppy print out
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/gcdParseSimple.tgz  <-- updated
Action: mdupont removes the extra prints
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/gcdParseSimple.tgz  <-- updated again
<mdupont> this looks good to start translating into something useful
<mdupont> more later
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<thierry> morning
<dtm> thierry: hi
<btami> hi
<thierry> hello dtm
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<dodji> hi all
<dtm> hi dodji 
<dodji> chillywilly: there ?
<dodji> hi dtm
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> do I know you?
<dodji> chillywilly: nope :)
<dodji> chillywilly: you were asking about mlview once, do you remember ?
<dodji> chillywilly: where it has been a while since then ...
<dodji> s/where/well,
<chillywilly> hmmm
<dodji> chillywilly: an xml editor
<chillywilly> I don't even know what mlview is
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> ok
<dodji> chillywilly: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/17Nov2001.html
<dodji> chillywilly: search "mlview" on the page :)
<chillywilly> 2 years ago?
<chillywilly> sheesh ;)
<dodji> chillywilly: hehe :)
<chillywilly> I can't remember that far back
<chillywilly> I talk to everyone and anyone on irc
<dodji> chillywilly: ah, okay :)
<dodji> chillywilly: well, I am the one who writes mlview :)
<chillywilly> ok :)
<ajmitch> morning sirs
<chillywilly> I won't forget
<chillywilly> hi ajmitch 
<ajmitch> how are you all on this fine day?
<dtm> ajmitch: aloha
<ajmitch> dtm!
<dtm> ajmitch!
<dtm> <3
<ajmitch> kia ora!
<dtm> there's a powerup heart for ya in case you needed one
<ajmitch> thx
<dtm> np
<dtm> fyi christianrock.net is great
<dtm> they got Petra and Stryper, man what else do ya need
<dodji> chillywilly: and mlview is in debian testing now ...
<dtm> oh boy i just fired it up, and there's Petra
<dodji> chillywilly: you were also asking for that at that time
<dodji> chillywilly: sorry to answer that late, but better late than never :)
<dodji> bbl
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<ajmitch> now that's what I call lag ;)
<chillywilly> doh
<chillywilly> why would I need some editor when I have a virtual lisp machine at my disposal? ;)
<dtm> hahaha
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<Arturas> Hello
<btami> hello Arturas
<dtm> Arturas: hi there
<btami> why i have no handlers/helpers in galeon's preferences?
<btami> how can i set up audio/pls MIME type for galeon?
<btami> using debian/unstable
<Arturas> well, i have galeon and i do see both handlers and mime types there :/
<Arturas> from debian stable-testing
<Arturas> Settings->Preferences->Handlers
<btami> hmm, i have no handlers there
<Arturas> i have browsing, user interface, handlers, rendering and advanced with galeon 1.2.5 version
<btami> hmm, this is 1.3.9
<Arturas> ech :)
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<dtm> lallalala
<dtm> what's up guys
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<dtm> ToyMan: hi there
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<ToyMan> morning all
<siesel> morning
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<reinhard> hello jcater
<reinhard> when i did last release of appserver i made a checklist for how to release
<reinhard> would you think that would fit as a technote in gnue-common?
<jcater> I think so
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<mcuria> Hello,
<mcuria> I have a few projects ahead that I would like to implement with gnue.
<mcuria> I'm trying to replace some ms access(ugly) programs.
<mcuria> My first priority is with one that manages buying orders and how they are going to be paid. In a multiple company environment.
<mcuria> Is there something like that allready done?
<nickr> okay, am I the only one who has experienced tremedous pain at the hands of the printing framework in wxwindows?
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<reinhard> mcuria: you might want to look at gnue-sb
<reinhard> although jcater would know more about that project than me
<reinhard> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue-sb/
<reinhard> not sure though if the web page is up to date
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<derek> dodji: mlview looks interesting
<derek> do you work for business objects?
<dodji> derek: hi derek
<dodji> derek: yeah, I work for BO
<derek> interesting
<mdupont> anyone know about the c appserver that can read the gcd files?
Action: derek has had to use business objects a bit
<dodji> derek: it's the first time an opensource fan finds BO interesting :)
<derek> i suspect our reporting tool will give it a run for it's money as it gets more advanced :)
Action: dodji nods
<derek> well i work at a very large government that is just starting to understand free software (after lots of years of me lobbying)
<reinhard> mdupont: yes, me
<derek> i do a lot of application integration work and strong financial and budgeting application stuff
<reinhard> it was called "geas" and we stopped development about 2 years ago
<derek> we put in business objects to do real time financial reporting
<mdupont> derek: what government?
<derek> when the installation fell into trouble they pulled me in to the team to save it from drowning
<derek> Maricopa County
<mdupont> reinhard: can you tell me where the code is?
<mdupont> the python parser sucks
<mdupont> i want some c code that can parse these gcd files
<reinhard> mdupont: just fyi we will most likely not use gcd files any more
<derek> turns out it mostly was poor documentation of changes and someone checked a flag in the options they shouldn't have
<reinhard> in gnue
<mdupont> well, you have them, dont you want to migrate them?
<mdupont> or you want to rewrite them by hand
<mdupont> ?
<reinhard> mdupont: but if you want to know anyway there should be a cvs module that contains geas
Action: derek meanders off to watch a movie
<reinhard> mdupont: we don't have very much in .gcd and all we have is proposal state
<mdupont> geas? ok
<reinhard> mdupont: noting was finished anyway
<reinhard> mdupont: just a sec
<mdupont> well, i would take the time and make a introspector rdf interface to the gcd file
<mdupont> so you can migrate the code better
<reinhard> mdupont: gnue cvs contains a module named "obsolete" which contains a directory "geas"
<reinhard> however i think migrating isn't worth it
<reinhard> IIRC we don't have more than 5 or 6 classes or something like that
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> your call
<mdupont> I think that they are interesting, the gcd files
<reinhard> sure
<mdupont> would be interested in translating them to c
<mdupont> or c++
<reinhard> well of course we won't stop you if you want to do anything for your own interest
Action: mdupont is working on a gcc interface for making add-ones allowing users to reuse c code
<dtm> hi
<mdupont> hi dtm
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<mdupont> hehe
<dtm> oh you were talking about a computer, nevermind
<mdupont> hehe
<dtm> well hmm wait...   this just..might..work.....
<mdupont> dtm: you are as funny as ever
<dtm> oh h0h0h0
<mdupont> geas seems a bit bloated
<dtm> hey i just call em like I see em.  except often what i see has absolutely nothing to do with what's actually going on.
<dtm> i dont actually know anything about geas.
<nickr> DIE WXWINDOWS
<dtm> BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
<mdupont> lib/classdefs/gcdparser.h 
<mdupont> this is what i need 
<dtm> i had a dream that i installed more RAM.  could it be an omen?
<mdupont> i think
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<dtm> i do have about 4x8MB==32MB sitting around here, and i'm pretty sure that at least 16MB of it will work in my system.  the other one might be slow so i might need it in a certain order in the motherboard.
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<reinhard> mdupont: geas *is* bloated
<reinhard> in fact
<reinhard> "bloat" is the middle name of geas
<dtm> hheehee
<dtm> then Tums isn't far off
<mdupont> well, i wish it did not have all these dependancies
<dtm> it's very very needy
<dtm> bordering on codependant
<dtm> it just needs some consistancy in its life, and some discipline
<dtm> it needs a father, mdupont 
<dtm> :-I
<dtm> well i guess it's like Three Men and a Baby
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<reinhard> must go
<reinhard> bye
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<dtm> dodji: hi
<dodji> heya dtm
<mdupont> lparser.l: In function `yylex':
<mdupont> lparser.l:207: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
<jcater> mdupont: what are you working on?
<jcater> the old geas code?
<jcater> it has been purposely retired
<mdupont> i just want to get a gcd parser
<dtm> "A secret and ritualistic following of ancient practices vaguely identified as based on 'yu-nicks' traditional algorithmic
<dtm>               strategum. Considered dangerous and sexy. Use caution on approaching"
<dtm> they're trying to think up a tagline for KCLUG (kansas city linux users' group) when apply for a trade show booth!
<dtm> heheheh
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<dtm> whoa!  i was talking to a guy in #mplayer and i just pasted him the above quote, because it sounded appropriate for mplayer
<dtm> and it turns out he's also in #kclug !!!
<dtm> out of all the people in the world to be talking to right now and paste from #kclug to #mplayer, he was in both.
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<dtm> 13:05 < dtm> yo mplayer be droppin platez on yo azz, beeyootch
<dtm> 13:05 < dtm> GET UP
<dtm> 13:05 < dtm> !!!!!!
<dtm> 13:06 < dtm> o/` i use free software as a weapon o/`
<dtm> nickr: hey you should make a chipsynth cover of that song
<nickr> what song?
<dtm> that would be the biggity bizzomb.  crazyfresh, boyee!  BAAAAAAaaaam!!!
<nickr> what song?
<dtm> "droppin' plates" by Disturbed
<nickr> I hate that song
<nickr> pick a good song from Disturbed.
<dtm> you hate it?!
<nickr> Yes
<dtm> i like all songs i've heard from Disturbed
<nickr> I hate a goodly percentage of them
<dtm> i have "the sickness" and i have 3 videos from the new one
<dtm> i like the entirity of their collection entirely too much
<nickr> The Game is truely their best work.
<dtm> i have not heard this
<dtm> oh wait
<dtm> yes i have
<dtm> well, i like it all.
<nickr> If you even try to look away from me, I think that I could kill this time.
<dtm> yeah.
<dtm> me too.
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<dtm> :-I
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<Vee2d2> ahh! 
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<jcater> Vee2d2: is that a euphemism for something we don't want to hear about?
<Vee2d2> just lunch
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<Vee2d2> it's strange the cross over between here and there (#sodipodi/gimp.net)
<Vee2d2> jbailey pops in there every other blue moon.. dodji here is a regular there.. etc..
<dodji> hi Vee2d2 :)
<Vee2d2> how it goes, dodji
<dodji> Vee2d2: fine, thank you. and you ? :)
<Vee2d2> busy.. :( :)
<dodji> same thing here
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<dodji> Vee2d2: who knows, some people here may be willing an xml editor one day :)
<dsmith> dodji: s/willing/wanting/ ???
<dodji> yeah, wanting 
<dsmith> kde has one.  Seems to work ok for me.
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<dodji> dsmith: mine is for gnome, too bad :)
<dodji> dsmith: are you talking about kxmleditor ?
<dsmith> Yeah.
<dodji> ah, okay
<dodji> I've never tried it
<dodji> maybe that's because I don't run kde ...
<dodji> but I will give it a try one day
<chillywilly> all I need is emacs
<dodji> hehe, the true hacker :)
<dtm> chillywilly is a renaissance free software hacker
<dsmith> chillywilly: !! I didn't know you were an emacs head!
<dtm> this shall be a lesson to you all to not EVER doubt chillywilly again
<jcater> chillywilly "renaissance trout slapper"
<dtm> yeah
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<dtm> that too
<dtm> dewd chillywilly can freaking troutslap in bullet time, Matrix style
<dsmith> All I need is emacs....  And this lamp....  emacs and the lamp....   And this rug...  
<dtm> * chillywilly stop time, unleash trout of fury
<dtm> and this remote control   and this thermos
<dtm> chillywilly dont need you!!!  he dont need ANYBODY
<dtm> <chillywilly> ehy!  this prop software is defective!!
<dtm> <chillywilly> OMG  HE'S SHOOTING AT THE PROP SOFTWARE    HE HATES PROP SOFTWARE
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<chillywilly> ?!?
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<LuftHans> what about turbo prop software?
<dtm> LuftHans: i dont know about that.
<dtm> but i do know this
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<dtm> er 
Action: dtm busts out the Thwap-o-Matic(tm) 5000 Super Turbo -- Hyperthwapping Edition
<dtm> is what i meant to say.
<LuftHans> what about jet engine software?
<dtm> :-I
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<nickr> JetEngine oh god
<derek> Vee2d2: which developer?
<Vee2d2> derek: Ted Gould
<derek> he is a good guy 
<Vee2d2> derek: he's putting together a presentation for you PLUG guys on sodipodi too, I think.. ;) yea he is. 
<Vee2d2> derek: he said he was impressed with the class/gnue, btw. 
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<derek> hmm i have him down for a gimp presentation at installfest maybe i beg him to do sodipodi isntead :)
<derek> as i would rather go to a sodipodi class
<nickr> sodipodi ++
<chillywilly> sup fewlios?
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<dodji> hi mouns :)
<mouns> a dodji ! here ! it's crazy !
<mouns> :)
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<mouns> bonwi
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<nickr> jet city woman yea
<chillywilly> uh...ok
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<nickr> just a thousand miles before I'm there
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<nickr> anus
<nickr> er
<derek> um
<nickr> sorry about taht.
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