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<derek> hmmm
<derek> got kicked i guess
<derek> ajmitch:  im here if you are still looking for me
<ajmitch> hi
<ajmitch> what do you know about ical? planning to use it in gnue?
<ajmitch> phpgw can act as an ical server, like you requested :)
<derek> cool
<derek> um i use ical a bit
<derek> but haven't :dug: into it too much
<ajmitch> so I heard
<ajmitch> google tells many things
<derek> rofl
<derek> it is humorous if somehow my name is related to a google search on ical
<ajmitch> well I remembered you talking about it ;)
<ajmitch> so I searched for "gnu enterprise ical"
<wendall911> derek....google is watching you =-O
<derek> wendall911: some of the crap for google is scary
<derek> i know for a while now if you talk about something here and a week later go looking for an "expert" opinion
<derek> likely the log from here will be in the top ten results :)
<ajmitch> yep
<wendall911> derek is a God, derek is a God <---now you'll have your own Google fan club ;)
<derek> roflmao
<derek> http://www.zopp.nl/404.htm best 404 ever
<wendall911> lol
<ajmitch> interesting read: http://www.zopp.nl/404.htm
<ajmitch> bah
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<ajmitch> or shall I kick xchat for not pasting selected text?
<derek> hahaha this is funny too
<derek> http://www.devhome.org/404.html
<ajmitch> http://docs.axisgroupware.org/index.php?page=AxisWishList
<derek> guess thats one way to tell the world your webservers use bsd insetad of GNU/Linux
<wendall911> that 404 is ironic in that Tux bends over BSD when it comes to php and mysql
<wendall911> LAMP is king
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<ajmitch> hi steveb
<ajmitch> bbl :)
<mdupont> hi ajmitch
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<Arturas> Hello
<Vee2d2> morning
<ToyMan> morning all
<reinhard> hello
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<reinhard> jcater: you here?
<jcater> yes
<reinhard> it looks like jbailey is busy these days
<reinhard> i think if we (you) want a point release we should/could/might do it now
<Arturas> good evening for all
<Arturas> i have two questions, both from technical side
<Arturas> 1) what is gnue-info mailing list
<Arturas> i got letter with this list indication, but i do not find it on the web
<Arturas> (address would be info@gnue.org)
<Arturas> and
<Arturas> 2) GNUe Traffic
<Arturas> as i'm not subscribed to that list (if it exists), i do not know what was said on the subject there
<Arturas> could someone please update me on it?
<reinhard> Arturas: psu sent a mail to that list which you got cc'ed anyway
<reinhard> there was no further conversation on that list on that topic
<reinhard> brb
<jcater> Arturas: info@gnue.org isn't a "discussion" mailing list
<jcater> it's just a mail alias
<jcater> that forwards email to 4 or so of us
<jcater> to answer people's questions
<Arturas> perfect
<jcater> reinhard: I'm ok with a point release
<Arturas> then i could try to take all GNUe Traffic
<jcater> but if I need to do it, I can't today
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<reinhard> jcater: no need to hurry
<reinhard> just wanted to give you my "ok" for it in case you were waiting for that
<jcater> ah, ok
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<jamest> so we're ready?
<jamest> for a point release
<jamest> i assume we can skip all the pre releases as it's not like anyone ever tests them anyway
<jamest> :)
<jcater> jamest: plus I don't think people download them
<jcater> so let's just *say* we did a point release
<jcater> and move on
<jamest> ok, hope that pre-release worked for everyone
<jamest> it did? good.  let's go then
<jamest> did the new setup system make it in everywhere?
<reinhard> common, appserver, forms, reports and designer IIRC
<Vee2d2> navigator?
<reinhard> let me look
<reinhard> yeah looks like i did that, too
<Vee2d2> you guys rock
<Vee2d2> jcater: did you say you were working on masks, now? 
<jcater> I worked on them some last weekend
<jcater> and will hopefully follow thru some more this weekend
<jcater> but my gnue time is fast approaching ><
<Vee2d2> cool, wasnt sure if I was dreaming or not. :)
<Vee2d2> yea, hear ya.
<jcater> I go in cycles though
<jcater> spring is when I do the most gnue'n
<jcater> as that's when business is slowest
<reinhard> jcater: quick question on gsd files
<reinhard> currently there's no boolean type defined
<reinhard> does that have a specific reason (other than nobody needed it by now)?
<jcater> well
<jcater> a combination of "nobody needed it" and "how would we do something like that"
<jcater> as few databases actually support boolean data types
<jcater> so how do you handle those
<jcater> and that relates more to tools than gsd directly
<reinhard> what kind of db field do you underlay behind a checkbox now?
<jcater> I currently don't use checkboxes because I can't answer that question
<reinhard> hrmmm
<jcater> personally, I have Y|N char() fields in oracle
<reinhard> would you say that now would be a bad time to implement a boolean type in appserver?
<jcater> well, appserver is a different story
<jamest> i use booleans in postgresql
<jamest> behind checkboxes
<jcater> because appserver can "say" "if the underlying database doesn't support boolean, then all "boolean" fields will really be integers with 1 or 0, or chars with T/F"
<jcater> how do you do that with a multipurpose tool like forms, etc, though
<reinhard> appserver doesn't know what type of database is there
<jcater> well, true
<reinhard> like all other tools it uses gnue-common's dbdrivers
<jcater> but what I meant was
<Vee2d2> I thought those issues were dealt with in the dbdrivers
<jcater> underlying assumptions could be made
<jcater> by the dbdrviers
<jcater> where with gnue forms, assumptions could not be made
<jcater> mainly because appserver creates its own tables, but forms could be using existing schemas
<jcater> (I think that's true)
<reinhard> ok sow
<reinhard> so
Action: jcater is asking questions... not providing any help
<reinhard> if i would want to implement boolean types in appserver and had to expand the gsd definitions
<reinhard> by a "boolean" type
<reinhard> would that be ok if i did it?
<jcater> well, you could
<jcater> but before the .gsd is usable in datbaases other than postgres
<jcater> (and a few others) 
<jcater> we have to define what a boolean field is
<jcater> that was my only point earlier
<reinhard> could it be a meaningful definition that we say
<reinhard> boolean fields have to accept at least 0 and 1 as possible values
<reinhard> and have to return something among 0/1, TRUE/FALSE, T/F and maybe some others
<reinhard> ?
<jamest> and null
<jamest> a boolean should allow t/f/null
<jamest> imho
<jcater> I dunno
<jcater> I avoid booleans
<jcater> for this very reason
<reinhard> jamest: yes
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<btami> hello all
<btami> reinhard: any special reason you want boolens ?
<reinhard> hello btami
<btami> gnue is sql based, and there is no boolean in sql standard IIRC
<reinhard> it's logical to have booleans
<reinhard> and from what the postgres manual says, boolean is SQL92 standard
<btami> hmm, i don' think so
<jcater> I'm glad I'm not the only one :)
<reinhard> yes googling for SQL92+boolean it looks that it's not standard
<reinhard> however i still think it's logical to support a boolean type
<reinhard> it was there for years in appserver's whitepaper and nobody did object :)
<reinhard> and as i found out meanwhile it's not really a big task to do it
<btami> yes, python has it now too...
<reinhard> unfortunately we won't be able to use python's boolean
<reinhard> as it was introduced with 2.3 AFAIK
<btami> yes
<nickr> yep
<btami> bat as jbailey sad, 2.3 is the defult in testing now
<nickr> also true
<btami> i hope it will be stable soon
<reinhard> well there's other points to consider
<reinhard> like if all rpc protocol bindings for python will support the boolean type
<nickr> Never
<btami> anyhow, in gnue-forms boolean is 0/1
<jcater> when was that decided?
<btami> at least in CheckboxDisplayHandler
<jamest> that was settable in gnue.conf iirc
<btami> and never worked for me :)
<btami> maybe reinhard will fix it...
Action: btami hides
<reinhard> jamest: you said you use boolean in postgres databases
<reinhard> do you use these fields with gnue-forms?
<btami> CREATE DOMAIN "BOOLEAN" AS SMALLINT
<btami> 	 DEFAULT 0
<btami> 	 CHECK (VALUE IN (0,1)) NOT NULL;
<btami> sorry,
<btami> i'm using this domain for checkboxes in firebird
<btami> it works
<reinhard> yeah i think so
<reinhard> i got this problem with postgres:
<reinhard> UPDATE address_person SET address_human='0' WHERE address_human=1 AND gnue_id='00000000000000000000000000001100'
<reinhard> ERROR:  Unable to identify an operator '=' for types 'boolean' and 'integer'
<reinhard> but that "WHERE address_human=1" is built by gnue-common
<reinhard> address_human is a boolean field btw
<jamest> reinhard: yes
<jamest>  info_validated         | boolean                |
<reinhard> jamest: can you evaluate what SQL statement forms/common generates
<reinhard> when you update a boolean db field?
<btami> yes, this is the main problem with boolean in sql, it's hard to handle it in where close
<reinhard> jamest: does it do "where info_validated=0"
<reinhard> or "where info_validated='0'"
<jamest> SELECT maddr_1,shome_phone,sortname,zip,spsalutation,maddr_2,notes,mst,mcity,thank_you_print,info_validated,mspous_id,url,cformal,thank_you_last_printed,sbus_phone,mformal,email,mcountry FROM donor WHERE (((info_validated = '1')))
<jamest> UPDATE donor SET info_validated='0' WHERE ......
<reinhard> WHERE ?
<reinhard> that's what I'm after
<reinhard> the WHERE clause of the update
<jamest> <snip> info_validated='0' <snip>
<jamest> can't post the whole thing as it's donor info :)
<jamest>       <field name="ntryinfo_validated" case="upper" field="info_validated"
<jamest>              queryDefault="F"/>
<jamest> and
<jamest>       <entry name="Entry13" Char:height="1" Char:width="2" Char:x="38"
<jamest>              Char:y="12" block="blckdonor" field="ntryinfo_validated" style="checkbox">
<jamest>         <options>
<jamest>           <option name="tip"
<jamest>                   value="Has this donors information been confirmed"/>
<jamest>         </options>
<jamest>       </entry>
<jamest> this form is ancient
<jamest> pre checkbox support
<jamest> which is why the odd upper
<ajmitch> scary
<jamest> and as for those field names
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<reinhard> hmmm
<jamest> they're not mine, they're from a legacy system from across campus
<reinhard> nevermind
<jamest> that predates binary I think :)
<jamest> nevermind?
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<jamest> is something wack with what I'm posting?
<chillywilly> you are whack
<chillywilly> yo
<jamest> i know
<btami> reinhard: are you interested on postgres only?
<jamest> as I haven't banned you from #gnuenterprise
<jamest> somethings is wrong with me
<jcater> I vote on the users
<chillywilly> anyone know how to make dpkg-reconfigure xservr-xfree86 freakin write a cvonfig file?
<chillywilly> first it was saying it ws cusotmized which it was
<chillywilly> so then I mv it
<chillywilly> then it says it is missing
<chillywilly> then I read the FAQ
<chillywilly> and rm some shit from /var/lib/xfree86
<jamest> try touching it
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> looks for that debconf section
<chillywilly> it's mental
<chillywilly> after I did the /var/lib crap then it complains the checksums aren't there
<chillywilly> I can't win
<chillywilly> I just want it tp write me a config file damnit
<chillywilly> hmmm
<dsmith> chillywilly: istr reading something about that on #debian-devel.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the details.
<chillywilly> maybe XFree86 -configure will work
<dsmith> chillywilly: Do you really want to entrust somethiing as important as your X config to dpkg?
<reinhard> btami: of course not
<jamest> dsmith: i do
<chillywilly> dsmith: I don't care about that
<jamest> as how often do you really change it
<btami> statement=UPDATE UGYFEL SET munkaugy=0 WHERE egyezteto=1 AND halozat=0 AND irsz='6722' AND letszam=1 AND lemez=0 AND tobbceges=1 AND kernev='Gizike' AND verzio='3.41' AND ellenozes=1 AND varos='gnue.png' AND munkaugy=1 AND 
<chillywilly> dsmith: I can tweak to my liking 
<chillywilly> dsmith: but I don't wanna recreate the file in its entirety
<reinhard> but while i don't get it to work with postgres (which i use myself) i don't need to try with other db's
<jamest> chillywilly: apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86
<jamest> then reinstall :)
<dsmith> Yep
<dsmith> should work.
<chillywilly> that will lots of shit with it
<chillywilly> pull
<dsmith> not apt-get, just dpkg.
<jamest> dpkg -r ?
<dsmith> dpkg -p
<reinhard> btami: so you get where clause without '' for booleans?
<chillywilly> so do dpkg -p?
<btami> yes
<jamest> i think dpkg will ignore dependent packages
<chillywilly> ok
<reinhard> strange
<jamest> the -p is purge isn't it?
<jamest> rm -rf / 
<dsmith> You might need a --force-<somethign> too.
<jamest> that works too
Action: reinhard is trying to find out what makes gnue-common add '' in the WHERE clause
<jamest> but it wipe the apt cache so it'll take longer to reinstall X
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> complained about checksums
<btami> reinhard: notice my "booleans" are int in firebird
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<jamest> chillywilly: did you force it?
<chillywilly> no
<chillywilly> dpkg -r
<reinhard> btami: yes, but from what i can tell gnue-common doesn't even look what data type is set in the db
<chillywilly> what force option should I use?
<dsmith> chillywilly: Gotta --force-<something> too.
Action: chillywilly uses --help
<dsmith> dpkg --force-help
<jamest> --force-help
Action: jamest has a habit of --force-all
<jamest> seems to work the most often
<dtm> dewd finally some of the mozilla mirrors have 1.5
<nickr> bad habit
<jamest> :)
<reinhard> jamest: you use pygresql there?
Action: dtm has bittorrent going for firebird
<chillywilly> --force-help is handy
<jamest> yes
<dsmith> --force-depends
<jamest> --force-pampers
<dsmith> heh
<chillywilly> heheh
<jamest> for the younger crowd
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<jamest> reinhard: yes
<dsmith> chillywilly: I usually just "XFree86 -config" and touch that up.
<chillywilly> I think I'll go that route
<chillywilly> that's what I did for gentoo
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> wow, that failed
<chillywilly> complains about glide driver not being there or something lame
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<reinhard> is it correct that fetchmany() is defined by the pygresql lib?
<jamest> wait
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<jamest> i used to use pygresql now I use psycopg
<jamest> but pygresql did have a fetchmany
<chillywilly> XFree86 has found a valid card configuration.
<chillywilly> Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h.
<chillywilly> BAH
<jamest> i'm pretty sure any dbapi2.0 compliant drive has it
<reinhard> oh now you use psycopg
<reinhard> now let me check
<jamest> yes
<jamest>  fetchmany([size=cursor.arraysize])
<jamest> from
<jamest> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0249.html
<reinhard> well the question is
<reinhard> when there's a boolean column
<reinhard> will fetchmany return that as a string or as a number
<jamest> um, hang on
Action: chillywilly uses lappy
<chillywilly> la la la
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> i use psycopg, too
<jamest> i've got an app i was working on today that does that
<chillywilly> hmm, I gotta get X 4.3.x
<chillywilly> bah
<reinhard> for me, fetchmany returns numbers for boolean columns
<reinhard> and that's the reason why the WHERE clause bombs
<jamest> t <type 'string'>
<reinhard> very very strange
<jamest> devel=> \set
<jamest> VERSION = 'PostgreSQL 7.2.1 on i686-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by GCC 2.95.4'
<jamest> wow
<jamest> i thought I ran 7.3 here
Action: jamest is now confused
<jamest> er, i do run 7.3 here
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i am running 7.3 but my psql is a leftover from 7.2
Action: jamest is suprised it works
<jamest> i seem to recall having the issue you're having
<reinhard> yes?
Action: reinhard hopes jamest also recalls what he did to resolve it :)
<jamest> i'm trying
<jamest> my brain takes a while to warm up
<jamest> get back to me on monday
<jamest> bbiab uzahs
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> ah crap
<jamest> hang on reinhard
<mouns> plucepluce
<jamest> ?
<jamest> reinhard: that program really was using the old _pg module
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<jamest> interesting
<jamest> 0 <type 'int'>
<jamest> hang on, lemme try the form that goes to that talbe
<jamest> SELECT zip4,county,school_id,flag_excludeFromMail,grade_level_lowest,entry_date,ceeb_id,state,phone,grade_level_highest,comments,school_name,flag_excludeFromFax,address2,address1,url,zip,usd,fax,city FROM school WHERE (((flag_excludeFromMail = '1'))) ORDER BY school_name
<jamest> (flag_excludeFromMail = '1') is the boolean
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> select is always ok
<reinhard> the update statement bombs
<jamest> it's treated as a string there too
<jamest>  AND flag_excludefrommail='0'
<jamest> from the update's where
<reinhard> i don't get it
<reinhard> when fetchall returns an integer
<dsmith> ~bahstats
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<jamest> i blame derek 
<chillywilly> hehe
<jamest> GACK!
<jamest> it works for me because my dbsig2 driver isn't the latest in cvs
<jamest> and boolean types aren't defined in there
<jamest> so it defaults to string
<chillywilly> damnit
<chillywilly> freakin X no worky
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> cvs won't even run for me
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<nickr> wxConfig under Windowns
<nickr> Um
<nickr> slightly annoying that I can make a LocalMachine key
<jamest>   File "/home/jamest/cvs/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common/apps/GConfig.py", line 33, in ?
<jamest>     from gnue import paths
<jamest> ImportError: cannot import name paths
<jamest> part of the new setup thing?
<reinhard> jamest: yes, please re-run setup.py
<reinhard> err
<reinhard> setup-cvs.py
<jcater> jamest: make sure you've cvs up'd all things you use first
<jcater> (like reports, common, etc)
<jcater> as part of the setup-cvs.py logic moved into each individual tool
Action: jcater is happy w/that change though :)
<jamest> ah, crap
<jamest> i tried to cheat
<jamest> btw - i like the new cvs split
<jcater> ...until it's time to cvs update? :)
<jamest> ensures I'll never forget my cvs password
<jamest> rock!
<jamest> reinhard: i can now reproduce your error
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> already working on fix
<jcater>  /msg jamest how do you think we can keep reinhard out of appserver and in common?
<jcater> I take that back.. there may be three
<jcater> wrong window
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