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Nick change: dcmwai_ -> dcmwai btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. johannesX (~johannes@M1264P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" jbeimler (~john@user-2ivf41c.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) johannesX (~johannes@M1264P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. dodji (~dodji@defense-4-81-57-93-166.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: ""stand up and keep fighting"" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-122-112.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) Action: dcmwai is away: Tunning Monitor.. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.67) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.67) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) R45 (~r45@cuscon2200.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. maxy_ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.155.67) left irc: "Client exiting" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Nick change: md-bk-0800CET -> mdupont ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jbeimler (~john@user-2ivf41c.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@129.130.6.1) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: good morning jamest: got no chance yesterday to say thanks for your help looked up and you were gone :) i fixed the boolean bug, cvs should work again for you if you have time to test please confirm good morning reinhard hi mdupont i think it's afternoon for both of us you connect from a .de domain? but your name sounds french reinhard: it may be this afternoon no hurry my 8 year old daughter has her birthday party today so i won't get much done today :) maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: wohen in ffm reinhard: wohne in ffm reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) so is there any reason not to release? maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. btami was having some issues with designer under win32 that I never had time to look at but I saw some commits from him so it's quite possible he got tired of waiting for me and fixed them himself other than that, I don't see any holdups if you can do pre-releases today... i have time to test screw pre-releases no body ever tests them we'll do an unannounced release :) then accounce after testing whoa somebody commited a how to release doc in common? burn them! maxy__ (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "Client Exiting" mcuria (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. mcuria (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit mcuria (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: i put a how to release document out about 3 years ago it was largely ignored so never committed it unannounced release is fine by me.. i will test whatever you want to call it :) if you do it early in the day i have until about 3pm my time that's my point damn people documenting stuff it needs to stop havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-107-254.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. mdupont: ffm = ? Frankfurt am Main oh Nick change: wtg -> wtg`sleep reinhard: works fine dtm (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 14400 seconds s'oui mag! nortel finally put out a GNU/Linux client for my VPN!!!!! now if only i can get it compiled and working :) hahahaha clickthroughs on make install now that is funny END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") FOR Nortel Networks NA, Inc. ("Nortel Networks") CONTIVITY VPN CLIENTS FOR MACINTOSH, LINUX, SOLARIS, AIX AND HP-UX i guess it's humorous is i get a binary after make all so why not show me during that instead of during make install sweet even better * Contains SSH IPSEC technology (pat. pending). SSH is a registered * * trademark of SSH Communications Security Ltd. (http://www.ssh.fi) * ******************************************************************************* if we didnt use the magic activcard crap i could probably get this working with freeSWAN their pdf states i should reboot after installing (now that is freaking funny) but their readme states you just need to logout then log back in guess a windows user wrote the pdf manual and an engineer the readme :) derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. what is an easy way to see if something is listening on a port? common NEWS New features/changes in version 0.5.2: (18-OCT-2003) o New majorly enhanced setup system o MS ADO dbdriver (with introspection) o Enhanced RPC drivers o Unicode support anything I'm overlooking that's major er o Misc bug fixes Nick change: mdupont -> md-afk derek: NMAP jamest: works for me i usually go through the ChangeLog before writing the NEWS that's what I did however things like Numeric formatter now using fixedpoint and fixedpoint backported to python 2.1 aren't news worth y along w/ lots of other stuff in there however the person working on that stuff may feel otherwise :) :) jamest: what packages will you/we release? dunno yet common is a given :) i figured common, reports, forms, appserver, navigator designer the reason i ask is we will most probably have our roadmap for next release in appserver done this monday evening lol jamest@newton:~/cvs/gnue/gnue-forms$ ./setup.py sdist --format=gztar You need GNUe-Common 0.5.2 or newer installed to install GNUe-Forms so appserver might be released oct 20 ah, so maybe we should prep over the weekend and do all releases monday? jamest: you have to set pythonpath or install common setup.py now imports common and has to find the modules derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" jamest: i said "probably" cool :) not sure if we want to release all packages together or do like sat common sun forms mon reports tue appserver well or we really do prereleases and then release everything together no one ever runs them ever we have people that run cvs and people that run releases i'm sure that for example btami would test if they work on windows true that it's more that i would hate to have forgotten a file or something like that i can do prereleases in the rebuild of the setup system i'll probably knock out common/forms/designer today we could even just make x.x.x.99 tarballs and put them under prereleases i like that idea i can set up a naked debian woody machine and test if i can install from tarball cool did the path thing make it into common to support non gnue common based apps yes the recommended way of finding out paths is import gnue.path then gnue.path.lib is where python modules are installed scripts is where the scripts are (bin) gnue.path.scripts of course gnue.path.data is the root directory for example you would do os.path.join (gnue.path.data, 'share', 'myapp') and gnue.path.config is where config files are (etc) in gnue-common's setup.py you can pass --install-lib --install-scripts --install-data --install-config to set the directories and all other packages will automatically install into the same location where gnue-common was installed i mean like this you can still use GConfig.getInstalledBase for compatibility reasons # # Setup the environment to know where gnue is installed # import sys,os,string sys.path.append('/usr/local/gnue/lib/python') os.environ['INSTALL_LIB']='/usr/local/gnue/lib/python' os.environ['INSTALL_PREFIX']='/usr/local/gnue' I'd like to lose the sys.path.append('/usr/local/gnue/lib/python') ah oh ok that's done i see it installed a gnue.pth file in /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages although you have to be root when you install gnue-common i am root the .pth file is like a symlink right? yex yes, even you have gnue.path in examples above but its gnue.paths typo above or should it be path? wow the new setup.py files are readable docs....readability....what's next? oh yes i think it could be paths i always mix it up myself can't even remember my own identifiers this is really pretty slick the .pth file is basically a list of directories that python adds to sys.path automatically so we no longer need to mess with setting all that kerap at runtime in the scripst you have installed gnue-common now? look at gnue-schema that's all what's needed :) the scripts are 100% install target independent now sigh it didn't install gnue-schema huh? it didn't? it's from early sept on my system Action: jamest is looking now ah oh btw in the how to release doc i write that one should check if all documentation is still current and valid of course that is a joke ;-) i was going to ask well all the reports docs are current (empty, but current) "not outdated" would probably more precise ;-) true common docs are outdated as my samples used the old hack to load gnue environment well and in case it's not clear anyway patches to the release-howto are always appreciated mcuria (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) I haven't even read it yet :( I do see one thing in the 4th step if you do: GNUE_VERSION_SUFFIX=-pre1 ./setup.py sdist .... (i.e., set that environ variable) then the versioning becomes 0.5.2.99-pre1 for packaging purposes just a little trick we did for helping with prereleases you sure ? i think it would become 0.5.3-pre1 oh i see just in this moment seeing my mistake you're probably right :) mcuria (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. oh yeah well, I'm firing from memory here not actually trying it hi hi everything seems ok in common i'll try and update the docs real quick designer samples updated ooh reinhard: that .pth thing is nice it was my #1 complaint w/ using common dtm (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: derek hates vpn's at this point i've never seen a worse client a freaking web interface to a VPN client nothing like refreshing a browser every 2 seconds to try to display connect messages thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) derek: hehe :( wow a web browser UI to a VPN client. i can't say i've ever heard of such a thing. is it a hardware VPN client ? la la la hi chillywilly hey dtm grrrr work is messed up Action: derek hates this crap arw bbl reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "There's always one more imbecile than you expect." lupo__ (lupo@pD95425C7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey: you here? reinhard: Yes, but lagged. is there anything i can do for the debian packages? Action: reinhard goes to look up "lagged" in a dictionary oh Unlikely. 2.3 is now default in Sarge. That's all good. I think you've installed all the pieces right? Last we left this off, I think I was asking jcater to give in and let me have debian/ in the root of each repo. Jamest was okay with it, jcater had reservations. i installed all your debs IIRC i saw gnue-common already made it into sarge Yeah. It's a Debian-native package, which I wanted to avoid. that means it has no -x version? If jcater tells me I need to suck it up and deal, then I'll arrange it myself and upload, otherwise, I'll move the directory in CVS, and then do the final uploads. reinhard: Essentially yes. More specifically, it means that there isn't a base + diff. ok Without that diff, there really can't be much in the way of updates when its in stable ever. It's essentially a violation of policy if I can at all avoid it. now do we want it that way or don't we want it that way? so we don't want it to be a native package, right? why did we make it one? Action: reinhard thinks he doesn't understand the point Usually, the debian/ directory isn't in the .orig tarball In our case, we make a symlink from debian/ to packaging/debian/ But you can't represent a symlink in a diff. (sorry this is so scattered) i'm still trying to understand Give me 5 minutes, and I'll clear some time. if we had debian/ in the root dir, would it then still be a native package, or not? no problem i'm only curious reinhard: It would not be, because I would rm it before making the orig tarball. but it's likely that i can't help you anyway I can still do that with the packaging/debian directory as well. hard link? vs symlink? jamest: Can't hard link a directory, can't represent it in a diff anyway. ah, that's right reinhard: The issue there is that someone pulling the CVS then would get a different package layout than is in the Debian package. jbailey: but when you wouldn't use the debian/ directory we have in cvs for "real" packaging anyway Not horrible -- Just different. reinhard: Why not? It's the exact when I've used. uh you just said you would rm it? So basically what I need is a yes or no from jcater, and then I can proceed. Only in the orig.tar.gz file, and I'd get it applied with the diff. ah i understand where are the contents of the debian/ subdirectory stored for "normal" projects? in the diff. ah yes logical It's uncommon for them to be in upstream CVS at all. and the diff is archived in the ftp pool Yes. The idea is that patches and stuff are all applied in the diff. so it would be most debian-standard-like to have neither packaging/debian nor debian/ in cvs, right? So if there's a slight bug, only the diff gets uploaded (which causes the m in x.y.z-m to be bumped) Yes, that's correct. But the advantage of having it in upstream CVS means that anyone can just grab CVS and make a snapshot. i'm tempted to say that you could simply ignore (for official debian packaging) that there is a debian directory in cvs at all Yup - it's certainly an option. Action: jcater is here now and see it like a piece of documentation But Derek and folks wanted originally the Debian package to be identical to upstream CVS. that is my point of view, reinhard So I've been working towards that goal. "this is how we would do debian packages if we wanted to" seriously i could live with anything As could I. =) I just don't see the advantage that moving from packaging/debian has the only option i couldn't live with was that we miss sarge because we can't agree with something within months but it's not ultimately my call anyway jcater: It doesn't seem to be ultimately anyone's call. =( I don't really care if some random person can just check out cvs and build a deb without reading our READMEs The advantage of moving it is *only* this: The package in CVS is exactly the same as the package in Debian. That's it. it seems like the option i described last was something everybody could agree with i don't want that Debian is identical with CVS if that is non-standard behaviour anyway to be honest i tend to do everything as standard-like as possible wendall911 (~wendallc@www2.83864.com) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" because you normally have the least number of problems if you do things in a "normal" way ok as you know austrians sometimes must help american democracy ;-) i propose that we leave packaging/debian how it is and regard it as a sort of documentation on how you would make debs jbailey could be so nice and mirror all changes he makes in the .diff files there and all gnue packages have diffs with the "official" debian/ directory in them anybody against it? I OBJECT oh wait are you talking about computer stuff? nm, do it reinhard: Calling me american is a beating offence. =) dtm: shut up reinhard: kthx And you can tell I'm not American, or it would've been a shooting offence. =) dtm: (that's how arnie's view of democracy would probably work) ;-)) hehe dtm: hasta la vista baby *peng* ;-) jbailey: sorry for most europeans "America" is a continent, not a country anyway i was only kidding (i hope that was clear actually) reinhard: heh i know nothing of his politics we shall see reinhard: "North America" is a continent. America is a country south of me. =) Scotch is a tape. Scottish is a people. NOW GET OUT!!!! dtm: Scotch is a Whiskey and any comments on the actual topic? :-) there was a ... oh no i have no idea what you're talking about. you may proceed. reinhard: Fine either way. reinhard: We may eventually want to cvs delete the debian/ directory as well. There generally isn't any reason for the upstream CVS to worry about it, and there's always the risk that there'll be NMUs that won't get in. would be ok for me i must also say that the contents of the debian/ directory have become close to trivial Yeah, cdbs is good at that. =) so the original to keep them in CVS might have faded s/original/original reason/ that's probably true I just remember a few years ago and how nasty the whole .deb situation was for us so I like having a semi-recent set of control files somewhere but of course, now that we're actually *in* the distro jcater: you also ok with debian/ leaving our cvs completely? `apt-get source gnue-common` will get them for you at ay time. s/ay/any/ reinhard: I could be persuaded probably I don't think it's worth worrying about right now though ok jamest: ? Action: jcater reminds everyone I'm not a project coordintator though :) so take what I say w/a grain of salt... not my say jcater: Derek defers to most things that you and jamest say. yeah but i am, or what? :-) Especially if you agree. wendall911 (~wendallc@www2.83864.com) joined #gnuenterprise. there was something like "a comitee can only make decisions efficiently when it consists of only two members of which one is absent" Whois is there. Forellefetisch boy? jamest/derek: last chance to object s/Whois/Who else/ jbailey: huh? oh reinhard: Sorry, my German isn't that good. jbailey: gotcha :-)) ok jbailey: we will do prereleases in the next few days Cool. I'll upload appserver today maybe, on the hopes that it gets in. how many work is it to debian package them (in the way we just discussed) and upload them to experimental? speaking of sarge how is sarge these days? afa moving stuff to sarge reinhard: A couple minutes of work. Action: jcater remembers woody was pretty good well before the actual release jbailey: would be cool if we could do that jcater: I think almost all the major transitions are done now. jbailey: i would test the debs again a last time with the prereleases jcater: Python2.3 is in. Gnome 2.2 is in. Kde3.1 is in. XF4.3 might still make it, and hopefully the new glibc will. and then the final releases just *have* to work (I'm runnign on it now, only minor problems) gnome 2.2 is not completely there Erm. It's supposed to be. mozilla is still holding back quite some packages they untied nautilus form mozilla. galeon and ephy aren't part of 2.2 the "gnome" binary package contains them even "gnome-core" IIRC epiphany-browser | galeon but that's not our problem :) It made the migration, so it worked somehow. The last pieces went in on like Tuesday or something. Gnome 2.4 pieces are in tonights Katie run. jbailey: i leave it up to you whether it's worth uploading appserver when it's only a week or so until the next upstream release It is, just to get it in the overrides file as soon as possible. ok then don't hold it back :) i actually thought you already did it and it is only delayed by the ftp-master Nope. Sorry. when I realised the weirdness I was having with common, I held off on the others. Packages are inspected when they go through the ftp-master, so they need to be right at that point. ok so you can shoot all packages now if you want appserver, forms, reports, designer and navigator (i hope i didn't forget one) navigator? Swap that for common and you have the packages that I know about. we already have common in sarge - it's your decision if you want to repackage it and forget navigator - it's very alpha AFAICT I will repackage it, but there's no risk of it not making it. I'll probably upload it with 0.5.3 err. 05..2 BAHYou know what I mean. *sigh* hi jeff hi reinhard don't forget that you still have to fix some issues in forms IIRC Forellefetisch boy! huh? for example deleting the dbdrivers other than wx uidrivers arrrgk yes uidrivers reinhard: Ah yeah. Action: jcater has this fear of gnue showing up with all dbdrivers deleted some day :) jbailey: just found my old notes 3 things i noted there that were not optimal with forms debs 1. depends: libwxgtk2.4-python 2. doc/gnue-forms vs. doc/gnue-forms-wxgtk 3. remove other uidrivers 1&3 I should be able to solve. 2 I'm not going to worry about until we have the other UI drivers in. (I'm guess that's after Sarge releases) johannesX (~johannes@M1264P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ok What I'll do is package gnue-forms without any UI drivers. And then have all the other UI driver packages. after sarge? We're theoretically 6 weeks away. that was just a question, implying nothing I'd have trouble testing other UI drivers and feeling good about it by then. What I'll do is package gnue-forms without any UI drivers. i just want to know if you do that already for the packages you do *now* No, it's all in one package. i.e. whether you will upload today a gnue-forms *and* a gnue-forms-wxgtk ok I think I provide gnue-forms i'm okay with it, just wanted to know yeah could be a good idea for future compatibility and have gnue-forms-base be the uidriver-less package later lol kde3.1 is in and about the time sarge hits 3.2 will be out timing is everything :) lupo__ (lupo@pD95425C7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" Action: jcater is still crossing his fingers for OO 1.1 getting in Nick change: reinhard -> rm-tv johannesX (~johannes@M1264P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: rm-tv -> reinhard no good tv programme today :) that that differs from any other day in what way? *lol* hey man scifi had battlestar galactica marathon the other day :) I dig that old show Ugh ugh? Yes battlestar galactica: Ugh lame show imho I never liked it. MY dad formed his local BSG fan club. Too scary. Too goofy. neutons are fruit and cake Every time period was "centon". From micro seconds to days. Nick change: md-afk -> mdupont mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection wow To Guido von Rossum, for inventing Python and giving it selflessly to the world. You have enriched my life with your contribution. hehehe from the Thanks section of Thinking in C++ 2nd edition thats glowing Nice. =) IIRC he wrote something similar in thinking in java book I should write a book so I can have a thank you section thinking in donuts in which I will put "Thank you Krispie Kreme... for making me so fat and happy that i can't get out of my chair, so I wrote this stupid book you mean to say you're happy? And thank you Mike, for making Mike's Hard Lemonade... makes family life much more tolerable" that sounds like the incription in my book jamest: this is a fictitious future setting i.e., I would've written a book as if I'd have time in the real world! ah ok how do i test if an object is of type mx.DateTime.DateTime ? jcater: You guys have Mike 'somewhat solid' lemonade there. >>> from mx import DateTime >>> x = DateTime.Date (1970, 04, 10) >>> x >>> type (x) == DateTime.DateTime 0 It's 7% alcohol here. =) hi all ajmitch: Do Kiwi's share the same alcoholic tendancies as the aussie's? =) jbailey: what can people do about bad deb maintainers? ie those that have packages several versions behind the current... (with large security holes) jbailey: hmmm jbailey: what tendencies? ;) ajmitch: As an end user? Almost nothing. jbailey: as upstream? ajmitch: The tendency to drink their body weight in alcohol. ajmitch: Even less. jbailey: ah It usually requires another DD to beat them. jbailey: I guess all we can do is file critical bugs (phpgroupware) File a grave bug against the package for security holes. I thought it was critical? since this is web-based it already has grave bugs that are being ignored reinhard: iirc, DateTime.Date() is a function call for compatability with some builtin Date() call Wlel, if there's already grave bugs, what will happen soon is that it will be removed from sarge. don't hold me to that though (Unless another DD decides to care) jbailey: ah ok jbailey: nah, the dd who 'owns' it apparantly is uncooperative about letting others touch it w00t! MX has launched chillywilly: YAAY jcater: yes, but it should generate an object of type DateTime At this point another DD could deal with it and tell Luca to stuff it. reinhard: true >>> type (x) == DateTime.DateTimeType 1 :) jbailey: right, thanks :) reinhard: sorry was away you can also do >>> type(x) == type(DateTime.Date(1950,1,1)) as I think you'll see samples like that in the code yeah ok type(z) = type([]) er type(z) == type([]) it doesn't look very elegant though New features/changes in version 0.5.2: (##-OCT-2003) o Scrollbar Widget o Misc Enhancements / Bug Fixes not a lot of new in forms well, it is a bugfix release well, nothing major that's ok for a point release IMHO and it's 4 friggen months early the last one was in Aug slackers ;) i've seen point releases that only fixed translations dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Later..." must go to bed for today see you tomorrow jcater and jamest: thanks also for your help on type night all reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody." 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R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon383.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.165.51) joined #gnuenterprise. what's up opposite of down that's reasonable Action: dtm awards dneighbo the prize You guys must be too free :) free of what? i think nickr is giddy, i'm carefree, and dneighbo is downright gay Action: dtm sticks a daisy in dneighbo's hair and blows some bubbles How is the days? dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" dcmwai: the days, they are fine dneighbo couldn't handle any more happiness :/ R45 (~rastabeen@cuscon383.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Action: dcmwai is slient... dcmwai: what are you up to? anything good? zing Nothing I'm configuring ltsp... It is fun :) I've seen things you people wouldn't believe nickr: Name it, we are boring here... attack ships on fire off the Tennhauser gate all these moments ... lost like tears in the rain nickr: fascinating hum.... Action: nickr bets nobody gets the reference uncultured bastards! no00 (j@202.46.80.181) joined #gnuenterprise. what a big project... mcuria-la_vengan (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) no00: oh yeah and it'll take a lot of time, patience, duct tape and Crisco no00: or were you talking about gnue? chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" dtm: of course no00: ahhhhh. Excellent. LOLZ KEKEKE ^_^ i guess it's a really great idea, and will be very useful to small-mid company that doesn't have much money to buy SAP no00: yes. no00: it already works, too mcuria-la_vengan (~maxy@OL53-216.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. dtm: everything..? no00: no dtm: the form designer, report, .., .? but enough to build apps and to run a good portion of business on there are production features and components i believe this project will be very popular soon... do u got any sponsor? yeah, unofficially. some project members have clients or employers who use it. ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" I wish where I worked wasn't so vbish I'd shove some gnue down their throats. HORK :/ that's how we do it, nickr hey i just found out that ASP(tm) can run on apache the company currently depends on several really horrible filemaker systems. whoa. i dont like the sound of that but tehy are currently being replaced by access based things :( wtf?! unf my responsibilities are outside that area i wont say what i'm really thinking, as this is a family channel. 'vb sucks several sexual organs in a most unpleasent and dirty way' :/ yeah. thats nice. "VB" is synonomous with "fish-fuck" it's nasty to even think about I dunno some fishes are downright sexy Be you male or female, imagine fucking a fish, that's how you feel after doing work in VB havoc: ITS YOU havoc: you're chillywilly's buddy huh no no dtm: um, maybe ihts more like eating dirt Action: havoc runs hey i saw a catalog tonight with giant fish shaped pillows unpleasent, sickening lasting negative side effects nickr: yeah, I know, I did VB development for a few years dewd if you read the apache-asp.org web site you'l find testimonials from people who used it to do NEW, ACTIVE development in ASP on. I dodged a bullet on that one they let me use python instead I've done production work in pretty much any lang you can think of (well, not all, but at least 30 or so) most either suck or are jsut plain misused a lot of companies don't liek to mix languages you aren't drunk enough. i.e. they don't like using the right tool for the right job nickr: meaning? meaning you're not drunk enough. Action: havoc is never drunk enough I'm encouraging drug abuse. I don't know if I'm drunk enough either. I worked on a project where we were using mostly Scheme, but the client thought it would be nice to do the whole project in Scheme neglecting little things like "file I/O", etc... File i/o isn't SO bad in scheme. rather than writing shell/wrapper in C and shelling to Scheme nickr: was other crap too like netowrking networking isn't SO bad in scheme they both are bad :) no00 (j@202.46.80.181) left irc: "medeo comeback to me...miss u so much, JPERG" even worse if it needs to be even semi-portable I disagree. I ilke networking in scheme much better than in C. although python wins I like perl but that's only a preference very diplomatic. I can use anything, I just may not like it as I said, I did *VB* ;) use ADA *NOW*! ADA was at least semi cool as being the first real time language right? and named after a chic too ada lovelace yeah read all about her in The Difference Engine --- Sat Oct 18 2003