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<Arturas> good morning
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<thierry> hi all
<siesel> hi thierry
<thierry> hi siesel
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<chillywilly> is jcater around?
<dtm> chillywilly: hi
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<jcater> chillywilly: wassup?
<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> was going to ask yuou if you ran win4lin on debian
<jcater> yes
<dtm> i just got the efax viewer going on wine.  :/
<chillywilly> but it seems the person doesn't know wtf they are doing
<dtm> yay for infinite wait loops
<chillywilly> there was some executable think like winlinux or some crap which I thought he had got off win4lin site and then he was tyring to run this exe under windows...I think he has no fscking clue ;)
<chillywilly> unless it's some kinda installer....
<jcater> he needs to search their mailing list archives
<jcater> the installer is for RPM-based systems
<jcater> but there's several step-by-step emails on installing on debian
<jcater> it's not hard
Action: jcater doesn't remember them off the top of my head though
<chillywilly> is winlinux lin4win or some other thing?
<chillywilly> I thought he had to reg o netraverse's site for it
Action: jcater doesn't know what winlinux is
<chillywilly> I think he installed the wrong thing and/or just does not know wtf he is doing
<chillywilly> well they have Mandrake anyway
<chillywilly> but he was trying to install some linux thing on windows...whatever he has no clue ;P
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> http://www.winlinux.net/2003/
<chillywilly> that's nothing like win4lin
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> nope
<chillywilly> HEH
Action: jcater never heard of winlinux before
<reinhard> jcater: i have a question on gnue-form's code
<chillywilly> what's the point ;)
<jcater> reinhard: it's derek's fault
<reinhard> yeah i know, but apart from that
<chillywilly> won't help you control what the user is running on your comapny machines or keep you virus free
<chillywilly> ;P
<reinhard> i'm experiencing the effect that when i change a field in a form and then
<reinhard> *without* moving the focus away from the changed field
<reinhard> i commit the record
<reinhard> then the diskette icon doesn't grey out after committing
<reinhard> is this a problem of my (appserver) dbdriver or is this a general problem?
<jcater> I don't think it's appserver-specific
<reinhard> btw i use wx
<reinhard> if you look at GFInstance.py
<reinhard> line 989 and 990
<reinhard> if you exchange these two lines it seems to work
<reinhard> but i didn't dare to commit that because i don't understand the code enough to see if i don't break something else
<reinhard> a similar effect is that after deleting a record, the commit button remains greyed out
<reinhard> and i have to jump to another record to make the button active to be able to commit at all
<reinhard> thin in GFForm.py I inserted after line 398
<reinhard> self.refreshUIEvents()
<reinhard> and now it seems to work too
<reinhard> but like before, I'm not sure if this fix is correct
<jcater>       return
<jcater>     event._form.refreshDisplay(event._form._currentBlock)
<reinhard> and I'd hate to break things while jamest is in the process of preparing pre-releases
<jcater> are my 989 and 990 lines
<reinhard> it's the refreshDisplay and the entryUpdated lines
<reinhard> sorry 990 and 991
<jcater> well, if it works
<jcater> go ahead and commit
<jcater> seems non-intrusive enough
<jcater> and iirc this is one of our pending bugs
<jcater> so I'll happily take a fix :)
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> new revision: 1.120; previous revision: 1.119
<reinhard> impressive version numbers :)
<reinhard> double oh
<reinhard> new revision: 1.249; previous revision: 1.248
<reinhard> committed
<reinhard> just a question
<reinhard> should the curses interface be functional?
<jcater> should it?
<jcater> or is it?
<jcater> it is not
<jcater> but it needs to be :)
<reinhard> ok so then it's not my fault
<reinhard> i read in the BUGS file "curses interface bombs when xterm window is resized"
<reinhard> and was like wtf, i couldn't even start a single form with the curses interface
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<jamest> reinhard: i just started them
<jamest> i'll try and finish them tonight i guess
<reinhard> jamest: cool
<reinhard> please cvs update before you do so :-)
<reinhard> night all
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<mouns> goto &dodo(lit);
<nickr> doot
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<chillywilly> gotos are evil
<nickr> gotos are my only friend.
<nickr> my only friend is evil :((
<chillywilly> make new friends!
<jbailey> goto's aren't evil.  They're a solution to a number of inellegant problems in C.
<nickr> indeed
<chillywilly> they're evil
<dtm> well at least you're not using programming languages with line numbers.
<chillywilly> jbailey: like?
<nickr> SATAN
<nickr> er
<nickr> sorry
<chillywilly> goto hell;
<chillywilly> ;P
<jbailey> chillywilly: Like guaranteeing consistant exists from mutex holds.
<chillywilly> hmmm, I don
<nickr> gotos are vital for space travel
<chillywilly> don't see any gotos in commoncc++
<nickr> gotos extend life
<chillywilly> or in bayonne
<nickr> he who controls the goto, controls the universe!
<jbailey> Those aren't C apps, Dan.
<chillywilly> weeee
<dtm> nickr: well i used to think that too
<chillywilly> jbailey: who uses C anyway?
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> nickr: then i discovered.... GOSUB
<nickr> :-O
[17:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
Action: dtm feerGOSUB
Action: dtm dares to enter... GOSUB 20000
<dtm> (into his white-on-blue flashing 8bit prompt)
<nickr> wow, dtm is hardcore
<dtm> :-I
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<siesel> COBOL?
<dtm> <--- BASIC hackar
<siesel> or GW-BASIC ? ;)
<dtm> hell no, Apple // fo-evah
<siesel> What kind of Basic is it?
<dtm> it's the Apple // kind
<nickr> gee wizz
<dtm> more specifically, the Woz kind
<chillywilly> apple sucks fat donkey dicks
<siesel> Or is AppleScript==Basic?
<dtm> what can be said to that but "shut up"?
<dtm> dear chillywilly 
<dtm> siesel: nosir
<dtm> siesel: applescript is on macos.  BASIC is on apple //
<nickr> B ASIC
<siesel> oh. cool.
<dtm> BASIC plus ProDOS
<siesel> you have the real machine or do you use an emulator?
<chillywilly> dtm: do you have a naughty poster of Seteve Jobs on yer wall?
<chillywilly> I believe you do
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<chillywilly> heh, I thought the nick had "vegan" in it
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<nickr> chillywilly: I believe he does
<chillywilly> dinner time
<dtm> siesel: i have two //gs and an emulator
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<siesel> cool. I just have some newer machines around here. a PowerPC 6xxx f.e.
<siesel> I would like to get a G5, but .....$$$$ 
<dtm> yeah just about anything is newer than an apple //
<chillywilly> dtm: you are the apple of my eye
<chillywilly> *wink*
<dtm> yay
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<nickr> lickwid hawt riddims
<dtm> nickr: ooooooh
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<jamest> siesel: what is the next version # for appserver?
<siesel> hmmm, I have a look.
<jamest> too late !
<jamest> :)
<jamest> gack!
<jamest> no, it's not 
Action: jamest missed one
<siesel> it should be 0.0.5
<jamest> ok, that's what I have it as
<jamest> if I commit the stuff
<jamest> can you update the NEWS file?
<jamest> i've updated the changelog but didn't know what l33t new stuff you wanted in NEWS
<siesel> ok, I'll do
<jamest> give me a sec to commit
<jamest> uploading pre1's is sucking all my dsl
<jamest> commiting
<jamest> done
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<jamest> um
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<jamest> and stay there!
Topic changed on #gnuenterprise by jamest!~jamest@adsl-65-64-191-195.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net: Need bugs?  New pre-releases of almost all our tools available at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/prereleases.php  Download and test so we won't have to.
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<dtm> can't see it....   smoke too thick....  chanserv..not in channel.....
Action: dtm opens fires into the sky
Action: dtm fires at Will
Action: jbailey watches the large body of God fall to the ground with a thud.
<jbailey> If anyone says that God is dead, it's dtm's fault.
<dtm> :(
<jamest> but that just can't be
<jamest> we're releasing in less than 6-8 months
<jamest> isn't that a miracle?
<chillywilly> I blame Nietzsche
<siesel> god lives, nietzsche is dead
<chillywilly> :)
<chillywilly> haha
<siesel> jamest: can you review the NEWS file?
<jbailey> One ofthese days I should learn enough python to code without a book on my lap.
<nickr> that dirty book
<siesel> jbailey: its easy. Just install python2.3-doc ;)
<jamest> um
<jamest>  a ton of files changed in appserver
<jamest> wtf?
<nickr> bad log entry
<siesel> I mean spelling and wording only.
<nickr> kill
<nickr> murder
<siesel> new version commited.
<jamest> no, i mean a ton of files just changed in gnue-appserver
<jamest> just now 
<jamest> when I cvs up'd
<siesel> thats reinhards fault. Blame him ;)
<jamest> i can't
<jamest> i have to blame derek
<jamest> it's in the project maintainers guide
<jamest> NEWS looks good
<siesel> ok. 
<jamest> i'm going to reupload
<jamest> uploading
<siesel> Just one question about gnue-common NEWS. The rpc driver for PYRO has been added too. IMHO it should be said explicitly.
<siesel> but I dunno if it can be put in brackets behind "o Enhanced RPC drivers" or has to go in a seperate line
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<jamest> doesn't matter to me
<jamest> ha anyone downloaded the prereleases?
<jamest> if not I want to make a quick change to the forms one
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<SachaS> hi Magni
<SachaS> wrong window ...
<jcater> ooo
<jcater> prereleases
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<jamest> jcater: i'm sorry
<jamest> i don't know what came over me
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