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<dtm> hey guys if i do 'gpg --gen-key', does my public key reside in ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
<dtm> ?
<dtm> is that what that is?  that's what I give to others?
<dtm> coz i can't 'cat' it.
<dtm> i've got an app that wants me to upload a gpg keyring file to it.
<dtm> and i dont know what it's referring to.
<ajmitch> something like...
<ajmitch> gpg -a --export ajmitch@gnu.org
<dtm> ....hmm
<dtm> and the output from that is the public key?
<ajmitch> yes
<ajmitch> in ascii-armor format
<dtm> they told me to do this:
<dtm> echo "testing" | /usr/bin/gpg --no-default-keyring --always-trust --keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg -e -a --batch -t -r 'email@email.com'
<ajmitch> aha nice
<dtm> and i did the equivalent of that, and it resulted in a huge ascii output.
<ajmitch> I wonder why
<dtm> more specifically...
<dtm> gpg: Warning: using insecure memory!
<dtm> gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/faq.html for more information
<dtm> -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
<dtm> Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)
<dtm> [insert 9 lines of ascii junk]
<dtm> -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
<ajmitch> dtm: I think you're encrypting a test message?
<ajmitch> I dunno, I don't use gpg much :)
<dtm> so i'm guessing that the junk is the 1024-bit encrypted version of "testing"
<dtm> is that right?
<dtm> thus proving that my setup works
<ajmitch> probably
<dtm> ok
<dtm> so.
<dtm> the app wants me to edit its variables to include a gpg execution
<dtm> becuase it wants to encrypt a string and email it to me periodically.
<dtm> and it wants that to be the above gpg command
<dtm> so it looks like that's correct so far.
<dtm> as long as i do so as the OS user that's running the app.
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<dtm> ajmitch: ok so in the configuration part of the app, it wants me to upload a public keyring
<ajmitch> k
<dtm> is the public keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
<dtm> ?
<dtm> or what?
<dtm> or is that what you told me to do above?
<dtm> 01:49 < ajmitch> gpg -a --export ajmitch@gnu.org
<dtm> ?
<ajmitch> public keyring is ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
<ajmitch> your public key is on there
<dtm> i need a .asc file, right?
<dtm> i'm told that as the user running the app, i need to run this:  gpg --import public.asc
<dtm> and that public.asc is the public key from 'gpg -a --export ajmitch@gnu.org', right?
<ajmitch> I suspect so
<ajmitch> except you use your own address :)
<dtm> yeah.
<dtm> ok the output says it's a public key.
<dtm> ajmitch: so what's the difference between a public key and a public keyring?
<dtm> ajmitch: the public key is ascii and the public keyring is binary, afaik
<ajmitch> well, the keyring holds many keys
<dtm> ok.
<dtm> that's its cache of trusted public keys?
<dtm> the one doing the sending needs the keyring, right?
<dtm> containing the recipients' public keys?
<ajmitch> more or less
<ajmitch> the sender needs your public key on their keyring
<dtm> ok.
<dtm> hm i'll hafta see how mozilla mail handles receiving this.
<dcmwai> dtm: what are you up to?
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<dtm> dcmwai: hackity hack hack hacking
<dtm> dcmwai: just configuring an interchange catalog
<dtm> dcmwai: what about you
Action: chillywilly is readin small biz/self emplyed tax crap on irs.gov
<chillywilly> I should've read this monthsw ago
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> yaaaaay
<dtm> yeah back when i told you to!  :}
Action: ajmitch is talking with seek3r
<dtm> chillywilly: if you want help go ahead and axe, and i'll see what i can do
<dtm> ajmitch: hi @ seek3r
<ajmitch> :)
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<dtm> ajmitch: what would you and seek3r be up to
<dtm> thierry: hi
<ajmitch> dtm: talking about phpgw
<thierry> morning  there
<thierry> hi dtm
<dtm> oh boy the gnue denizens are writhing out from the woodwork now!
<dtm> ajmitch: you dont say
<dtm> ajmitch: does he know anything about that?
<ajmitch> dtm: funny that, isn't it?
<dtm> yeah
<dtm> I'll say!
<ajmitch> dtm: he does, actually
<ajmitch> dtm: and I'm even a little involved in phpgw these days
<dcmwai> ...
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<dtm> hmm.  i hope that mozilla mail has gpg built in.
<chillywilly> dtm: you didn't tell me crap ;P
<chillywilly> dtm: I wasn't making any money then anyway
<ajmitch> dtm: seek3r says hi & that you might be interested in the mad stuff he's doing with phpgw
<dtm> chillywilly: are you inSANE?!  i have an entire directory just for notes on your company.  at the time, i spent two solid afternoons making calls for you.  i learned everything there is to know about small business in your town and a bit about Milwaukee, and I got all the info for getting a sales tax license in your state.
<thierry> hey chillywilly
<dtm> chillywilly: i got the personal phone numbers for free advisors right in your own town, one with a PhD, who looked forward to meeting you.
<dtm> chillywilly: and you never touched any of it, i bet!  :)
<dtm> ajmitch: oic
<dtm> ajmitch: well i'm way way way overcommitted right now but maybe later.  good luck to you guys though.
<dtm> ajmitch: i'm in ecommerce space at the moment
<ajmitch> right
<chillywilly> dtm: do you want a cookie or something?
<dtm> chillywilly: :(
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<chillywilly> dtm: I wasn't ready to do anything then...I am forced into doing my own taxes right now
<dtm> didn't tell you crap, huh?
<chillywilly> dtm: and you trying to throw shit back in my face is pretty lame...in fact I still don't "technically" have my own business
<ajmitch> kids! settle!
<chillywilly> no, I am sick of dtm beign so damned slef righteous
<dtm> yes you technically do; it's the default business status for all americans.
<dcmwai> dtm: Get enigmail for mozilla
<dtm> dcmwai: kthx
<chillywilly> I am highly unorganized and highly unmotivated
<dcmwai> enigmail.mozdev.org
<dtm> dcmwai: bless you
<dcmwai> dtm: ... 
<dtm> dcmwai: by default, the only encryption support mozilla mail has is for connections to the server and for authentication to the server.  not for smtp body content.  right?
<dcmwai> dtm:  No, As far as I know mozilla support IMAL (over ssl) smtp (over ssl) and pop (over ssl)
<dcmwai> s/IMAL/IMAP
<dtm> yeah that's what i said
<dtm> but not for body content
<dcmwai> SMTP over SSL is including the body content.
<dtm> well yeah but not for storing the content.
<dcmwai> isn't that right?
<dtm> just for transit
<dtm> that is true
<dtm> ok yeah i need enigmail
<dcmwai> let ask people in mozilla :)
<dcmwai> dtm: What is the "well yeah but not for storing the content" ? 
<dcmwai> storing where?
<dtm> never mind...  i meant storing it at any point other than in transit
<dcmwai> dtm:  I think I get what you meant...
<dtm> where the body contains gpg encryption, regardless of transit method such as SSL
<dtm> the answer is that it does not, and so i need enigmail :)
<dcmwai> dtm: I think even if the 1st smtp server you use is SSL encrypted, the server later will seldom use it.. So it is pointless to use it anyway :)
<dcmwai> Unless. MTA --> MTA transmission is a Must to have encryption.
<dtm> yes it is, but that doesn't matter for anything else
<dcmwai> Then Just do SSL encrypting will ease our jobs.
<dcmwai> Yes...
<dtm> er i mean yeah.  never mind.  :)
<dcmwai> me too :)
<dcmwai> yeah :)
<dtm> yeah ssl smtp doesn't seem to be a huge deal other than authenticating that you are talking to the correct smtp server!
<dtm> the host authentication part
<dcmwai> dtm: Well, Security isn't a issue for them...
<dcmwai> If you could really see... After the mail have reach your computer... and I've right to access it ... (even though not your mozilla program) I can view it because it is plane text
<dcmwai> Outlook express at lease a bit better using MIME to store the message, but still.... I don't like OE :)
<dtm> hm.
Action: dcmwai is sure dtm don't know why he is talking about OE and mozilla :)
<dcmwai> Ah.. My invoice printing.. I've forgettef them...
<dtm> hm.
Action: dcmwai have to work..
<dtm> every example i see of GPG email is just all about OE anyway.
<dcmwai> dtm: What?
<dcmwai> GPG email is about OE?
<dtm> when i read a howto about how to set up a GPG email recipient, it's about OE!
<dtm> they dont tell how to do it in mozilla.
<dtm> mainly because the howto is written by sysadmins tryng to set things up for OTHER people
<dcmwai> dtm: Just get enigmail... Everything is done there (Not key control)
<dcmwai> dtm: trust me.. I've been using mozilla for over a year.. (well really over a year)
<dcmwai> s/mozilla/enigmail
<dtm> yeah i'm trying to.
<dtm> the instlalation is failing.  doing it manually.
<dtm> of course my GPG sender side doesn't work yet either :}
<dcmwai> dtm: What mozilla version you are using?
<dcmwai> dailybuild?
<dcmwai> oop nightbuild
<dcmwai> get the correct version of enigmail else it won't run.
<dcmwai> dtm Sender side don't work yet?
<dtm> yeah.  their installer is broken.
<dcmwai> if you type gpg and there is a reply start typing message then it will work
<dcmwai> dtm: Which one? Enigmail installer?
<dtm> i have mozilla 1.5 from ftp.mozilla.org, which i started as root, and clicked their quick installer, and it downloaded two versions.  one worked and the other failed.
<dtm> yes.
<dcmwai> linux version
<dtm> the enigmail installer is what i'm refrring to
<dtm> yes
<dcmwai> I knoe 
<dtm> linux ia32
<dtm> so i guess i'll get it manually.
<dcmwai> What version of linux you have?
<dtm> redhat8
<dtm> plus eratta
<dtm> errata.
<dcmwai> well. it should work
<dtm> yep.
<dcmwai> mozdev.org is very slow
<dtm> dcmwai: how do i get gpg to make a list of all the keys on its keyring/
<dtm> ?
<dtm> or for a particular email address
<dtm> ?
<dcmwai> dtm: gpg --list-key :)
<dtm> hm.  i did this command --> /usr/bin/gpg --no-default-keyring --always-trust --keyring /var/lib/interchange/.gnupg/pubring.gpg -e -a --batch -t -r 'recipient@email.com'
<dtm> and it works.
<dtm> i'm logged in as the sender.  
<dtm> yet my app doesn't work.
<dcmwai> wait.. wait
<dcmwai> dtm you don't seem to understand gnupg yet...
<dtm> oic
<dtm> it says that the public key for that address is not found.
<dcmwai> gnupg is just the agent to encrypt, decrypt and key control
<dcmwai> Nothing more...
<dcmwai> To Start encrypting a message you need a Private Key (Your Email address Private key)
<dtm> yeah.
<dtm> i know that
<dcmwai> oop typo.
<dtm> i have a private key for the sender.  and i've imported the public key of the recipient.  and it says that it has it.
<dtm> i think maybe my calling program might be wrong, but its log explicitly says that it can't find the public key for my recipient's email address.
<dtm> i have an app that's externally calling gpg.
<dcmwai> as long as it work the it is great :)
<dcmwai> dtm: so your enigmail install fall at this files ? enigmime-0.76.3-linux.xpi
<dtm> no, 0.76.3.0 completed but 0.76.7 failed.
<dtm> and their web site showed me an error.  and i restarted mozilla and I dont see an enigmail menu in the preferences menu.
<dtm> but anyhow let's start with the sending.
<dtm> okay.  i removed the variables in my calling program, and it now explicitly calls gpg with the email address like I mentioned just now.
<dtm> now it says "encryption failed.  file open error"
<dtm> i guess that has nothing to do with gpg.
<dcmwai> though so... but may be that is a gpg error message..
<dcmwai> but it didn't say which files error.
<dtm> right.
<dtm> maybe i should add a '-v'?
<dcmwai> dtm, you stil using this  /usr/bin/gpg --no-default-keyring --always-trust --keyring /var/lib/interchange/.gnupg/pubring.gpg -e -a --batch -t -r 'recipient@email.com'
<dcmwai> ?
<dtm> yessir.
<dtm> with of course my legitimate email address.
<dcmwai> I think just /usr/bin/gpg --no-default-keyring --always-trust -e -a --batch -t -r 'recipient@email.com'
<dcmwai> is enough
<dtm> oh, just remove the keyring?
<dtm> does that make a difference in operation though?
<dcmwai> for me , it look like that you can running 2 command in a same time.
<dtm> ha!  even with '-v' it doens't tell me which file is allegedly open.
<dtm> :(
<dcmwai> 1st you run --no-default-keyring, Then You specify the  --keyring
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<dcmwai> /var/lib/interchange/.gnupg/pubring.gpg is not allegedly...
<dtm> oh ok.
<dtm> weird.
<dtm> i gotcha.
<dcmwai> For me it is normal... You should RTFM :)
<dcmwai> that happen to me 1 year ago :)
<dcmwai> dtm: Are you sure you are using mozilla 1.5 ? and fail on the enigmail-0.76.7.xpi ?
<dtm> aha.
<dtm> here's something from a mailing list:
<dtm> Yes, the gnupg 1.0.7 version uses the "windows file system", and I think 
<dtm> you don't have a c:\tmp\ directory. Even if you have, this is not the 
<dtm> same directory ( \tmp ) for mutt. (mutt is a real cygwin application)
<dtm> ---
<dcmwai> You are on windows? No right?
<dtm> so i wonder if gpg needs to write to some tmp location that this restricted user isn't allowed to.
<dtm> no way.
<dtm> i'm on redhat8
<dcmwai> Rh8 using /tmp
<dcmwai> so it not related.
<dcmwai> dtm , get gnupe 1.2.x 
<dcmwai> dtm , get gnupg 1.2.x 
<dcmwai> 1.0.7 is a bit out :) and buggy
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<dtm> whoa.  really?
<dtm> ok
<dtm> i just happen to have 1.0.7
<dtm> thanks dcmwai 
<dcmwai> dtm: enigmail don't really check that... But as so far I'm installating enigmail, found no problem so far...
<dtm> ok
<dtm> dcmwai: this sseems to be my same problem -- http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2003-July/019275.html
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<dcmwai> I've no idea..
<dcmwai> dtm
<dtm> :/
<dtm> dneighbo_: hi
<dcmwai> nvm I'll send you my key can you see if that work.
<dtm> well i dont think that'll matter
<dtm> coz i just created these fresh just now.
<dcmwai> dtm try thisgpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 53192D6E
<dcmwai> dtm try this gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 53192D6E
<dcmwai> working?
<dtm> well actually i dont wanna mess with that until i figure out what the file open problem is.
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<dcmwai> dtm: just try it..
<dtm> dcmwai: upgrading gpg.... 
<dtm> okay it imported it.
<dtm> Chan Min Wai
<dtm> :)
<dcmwai> dtm: This meant that no files require by gnupg is having a problem;
<dtm> ?
<dtm> dcmwai: what means that?
<dcmwai> Because This command will actually access 2 files 1) ./gnupg/options and ./gnupg/*.gpg
<dtm> yeah?
<dtm> and you mean it can't access one or more of those?
<dtm> i dont know why that would be.
<dcmwai> meaning it have not problem accesing all the required files.. and gnupg is running well
<dcmwai> Just your command isn't
<dtm> what command?  you mean the command that's calling gnupg?
<dcmwai> yep
<dcmwai> I meant you have a false command to gpg ;)
<dtm> i'm not sure i follow ya.
<dtm> the app is a server, owned by the same user that owns the files
<dtm> so it runs gpg 
<dtm> dcmwai: ok i upgraded to 1.2.3 and i get the same error.
<dtm> dcmwai: please try to explain what you meant, in another way
<dtm> the server is owned by the user 'interch', whose home dir is /var/lib/interchange.  /var/lib/interchange and /var/lib/interchange/.gnupg and everything under it are all owned by and readable by 'interch'.
<dtm> the server executes 'gpg' which is obviously owned by 'interch'
<dtm> dcmwai: so, what else?
<dtm> dcmwai: i read that gpg needs a place to write temp files.  maybe it's looking at a specific place by default, which it can't access.
<dtm> i beg of you sir dcmwai :)  dont leave me  :)  eheheh
<dcmwai> dtm: I'm going to leave you.. Well it is almost end of the office hours..
<dtm> dcmwai: :(  okay.
<dcmwai> dtm: how about a simple gpg command
<dtm> can you explain quickly what you meant?
<dtm> or give me some way to test what you said?
<dcmwai> if it work that it is not a gpg problem
<dcmwai> Just gpgp 
<dcmwai> oop gpg
<dtm> because, you know, i can execute the very same command manually in bash, that my app is trying to execute.
<dcmwai> Your app is having a problem for what I can see..
<dcmwai> did you see my key inside your apps?
<dcmwai> if there is try to send me an encrypted message
<dtm> hm.
<dtm> stand by
<dtm> shall i send it to dcmwai@dcmwai.serveftp.org
<dtm> ?
<dcmwai> No send to dcmwai@amtb-m.org.my
<dcmwai> So if you can send me the email...  That meant no problem...
<dtm> ok are you sure?  the other address is what's in your GPG public key.
<dcmwai> Yes, I
<dcmwai> I've 3 address within the public key
<dcmwai> so sending mail to any address will using the same key.
<dtm> ok
<dtm> ok well i'm never going to be able to send it coz i keep getting the same error.
<dcmwai> Off to dinner...
<dtm> it's a file problem, not a key or email problem.
<dtm> what else can i try to narrwo down what the file is?
<dcmwai> maybe it the application error..
<dcmwai> the apps you are using.. what is that?
<dtm> interchange.
<dtm> if i run the command manually, it works.
<dtm> when logged in as the user in question
<dcmwai> hum.. don't really know .. but I know it is an problem of interchange..
<dcmwai> try get enigmail...  (is all I can say)
<dcmwai> being catch for dinner
<dcmwai> Sorry
<dtm> hehe okay take care dood
<dtm> thanks a lot for your help, dcmwai 
<dcmwai> dtm: Sorry ah :(
<dtm> dcmwai: no problem
<dcmwai> dtm: But my solution is still enigmail :) check the news in enigmail to search for your problem...
<dtm> yeah, but that's only relevant if i can receive the email :)  i can't even send it yet.
<dcmwai> dtm: Again
<dcmwai> can't get what you meant?
<dtm> i can't send any gpg email.
<dtm> so it doesn't matter yet if i have enigmail installed to read it.
<dcmwai> enigmail is use to create GPG mail
<dcmwai> as well as reading it
<dcmwai> to creat a encrypted mail just simply as creating a new message
<dcmwai> The trick is on "Send
<dtm> yeah but you dont run enigmail on the server.
<dtm> i have to run gpg on the server.
<dtm> i have to run just the 'gpg' binary.
<dcmwai> dtm: Where got enigmail on the server
<dcmwai> Enigmail is a plugin for mozilla mail working with gnupg
<dcmwai> so you need a gnupg on the desktop
<dcmwai> keys is stored as normal gnupg. It just Called the gnupg function and use it encrytping... another word it is just a Frontend (with mozilla-mail) Of gnupg
<dcmwai> You run gpg server??? that I'm not too clear.. unless you are talking about running a gnupg centroal control Key server
<dcmwai> All private and public key is store and access from that server (normal for enterprise gnupg key control)
<dcmwai> For that... I can't help... I'm looking for a Free solution as well...
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<Vee>   by Jeff Bailey on the Debian GNU/Linux BTS (bug #163811).
<Vee> ^ This micro howto on how to set up Nagios for MySQL was provided
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<reinhard> wrt prereleases
<reinhard> i installed successfully from tarball on fresh installed woody machine
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<reinhard> btami installed successfully on windows
<reinhard> IMHO we can do releases as soon as jbailey confirms that debian packages are ok
<reinhard> however i will leave in about 2 hours and will be AFK until sunday
<reinhard> just FYI
<jamest> i could wrap them up today then
<jamest> if you're not around
<reinhard> works for me
<reinhard> NEWS files should be up to date
<reinhard> you could cvs2cl again because we changed some things in some packages
<reinhard> if you don't have time i can do the releases sunday
<reinhard> but then i would beg to not commit anything but fixes until then
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<jamest> ok
<jamest> jbailey: how'd the last prereleases work out?
<jbailey> What?  Someone who does read all the old logs over breakfast?
<jbailey> I'm shocked!
<jbailey> Anyhow.  The problem i'm having is that the pre-release version numbers are older than the numbering that I used (because I did 0.5.1.20031001)
<jbailey> So it's quite difficult for me to test them.
<jbailey> So I'm inclined to ask you guys to just release, and we'll run with it.
<reinhard> 0.5.1.20031001 is greater than 0.5.1.99-pre2 ?
<jbailey> Yes.
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> would 0.5.1.99.20031001 be smaller than 0.5.1.99-pre2 ?
<jbailey> It tokeises, first on all the decimals, then on the dashes.
<jbailey> No, I don't think so.
<jbailey> But I think it's unlikely that I'll ever do a snapshot again.
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> you're right
<jbailey> After this, I would more likely backport specific patches back for certain behaviours.
<jbailey> And if it was truly critical, just browbeat someone into relelasing either a 0.5.2.1 or 0.5.3.
<reinhard> just if you could confirm that doing the debs runs ok with the tarballs
<reinhard> i.e. that we didn't forget a file or something like that
<jbailey> 'kay, gimme a sec.
<jbailey> I need to get off my ass and write the HTML front end for forms.
<jbailey> I still have it all mapped out here on how to do it. =(
<jbailey> -common builds and installs fine.
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<jbailey> Forms:
<jbailey> wtg`sleep: gnue-forms-wxgtk: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/doc/gnue-forms/examples/intro/PigLatinPublicDomain.txt
<jbailey> Why is it executable? =)
<reinhard> dunno, but it certainly should not be
<reinhard> isn't the executable bit stored in cvs?
<reinhard> a lot of files have the executable bit set that shouldn't IMHO
<reinhard> like COPYING and ChangeLog
<reinhard> and INSTALL
<reinhard> and NEWS
<jbailey> Oh weird.
<jbailey> Crazy permissions all over the place.
<jbailey> The problem is that updating them in CVS doesn't necessarily change people's checkouts. =(
<jbailey> I'll ignore it this time around, but maybe will fix it in all the CVSs in the next few weeks.
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> we should
<jbailey> Then, as people slowly get new checkouts for whatever reason, they'll get fixed.
<reinhard> appserver should be ok wrt that
<reinhard> except that some files are group writeable and some are not
<reinhard> which i can't explain at the moment
<reinhard> for example in extensions/webfrontend
<reinhard> and i didn't even touch any of them
<jbailey> *files* are group writable?
<jbailey> CVS isn't supposed to do that.
<jbailey> Anyhow, forms installs and builds with that error.
<jbailey> I think we agreed to ignore Navigator this time around.  There's no point in having it in Sarge.
<reinhard> yes
<Vee> why not?
<Vee> (curious)
<jbailey> Vee: Last I checked, it didn't actually do much yet.
<jamest> jbailey: just found something interesting (maybe)
<jbailey> So when sarge releases, it can go in, and participate there and in testing.
<jamest> crystalspace has a CS/scripts/deb directory
<jamest> in there are is a makefile setup
<jamest> that builds debs both from the local copy or from a remote cvs 
<jbailey> Designer builds and install fine.
<jamest> not sure if it'd be of any use but it looks like has all kinds of things that can be done via make debsomthing
<jamest> i'm sure we could do that too in setup.py if it'd make your life easier
<jbailey> I've seen setups like that, and I know vaguely how to put them together.
<jbailey> But unless the package works by typing 'debuild', I would have an RC bug filed against it.
<jbailey> wtg`sleep: gnue-reports: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/doc/gnue-reports/examples/location/zip-by-state.grd
<jbailey> wtg`sleep: gnue-reports: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/doc/gnue-reports/examples/mailmerge/gnue-intro-letter.abiword.latex
<jbailey> wtg`sleep: gnue-reports: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/doc/gnue-reports/examples/mailmerge/README
<jbailey> wtg`sleep: gnue-reports: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly
<jbailey> So more cosmetic stuff.
<jbailey> But aside from that it builds and installs fine.
<jbailey> And appserver builds and installs fine.
<jbailey> Anyone feel like testing to see if they run?
<jamest> woody? sid?
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<reinhard> jamest: so it would be very cool if you could do the release
<reinhard> so jbailey can now really finally put them into sid
<reinhard> see you next week
<reinhard> bye
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<jamest> jbailey: woody or sid?
<jbailey> jamest: Sid.
<jbailey> well, sid or sarge.
<jbailey> sarge has all the pieces now, I think.
<jamest> where can I get them?
<jbailey> I'd email them to you.
<jbailey> Or I s'pose I could get them up on a web page, if that's easier.
<jamest> don't care
<jamest> jamest@math.ksu.edu will work
<jbailey> They should be on their way now.
<jamest> will these conflict at all with my install in /usr/local/gnue?
<jamest> doh. i can install on my workstation
<jbailey> THey shouldn't conflict, but I don't know enough about python to guess which libraries would be picked up.
<jamest> i'll install on my station
<jamest> um
<jamest> damn dependencies
<jbailey> Here:
<jbailey> Just dpkg -i them.
<jbailey> and then run apt-get -f install
<jamest> i am
<jbailey> It'll fetch all the dependancies for them, and finish the install properly.
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<jamest> it seems to work
<jbailey> Lovely.
<jamest> aside from the various things you can do nothing about
<jbailey> *lol*
<jamest> like missing db drivers
<jamest> makes for an ugly error
<jbailey> I don't supposed you'd release 0.5.2 today then, would you?
<jbailey> =)
<jamest> i can
<jbailey> w00t
<jamest> i notice no gnue-navigator
<jbailey> Yeah.  reinhard and I concluded that since it didn't really do anything yet, there wasn't much point.
<jamest> ?
<jbailey> Just like this'll be the first appserver upload to sarge.
<jcater> lol
<jcater> it's fairly feature-complete
<jcater> iirc
<jamest> i use navigator in 2 places
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<jbailey> >=)
<jamest> but don't do it for me as i get to run a released gnue for about a week
<jamest> then I'm back to cvs installs
<jbailey> I can do navigator easily enough if you think it's worth it.
<jamest> i like the idea of my gnue install reflecting it's users
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<jamest> unstable
<jamest> it is usable
<jbailey> I mean the other thing is that hopefully many of the core pieces won't be changing so often that you guys *need* to always run from CVS.
<jbailey> Or that when major features are ironed out that you need for clients, that you'll release a new version.  All that sort of thing.
<jamest> it'd be nice
<Vee> I thought maybe I was missing something.. as navigator seemed to work fine for gnue-sb
<jbailey> Erm.
<jbailey> gnue-navigator doesn't seem to be part of gnue-all, should it be?
<jamest> i would have imagined so?
<jbailey> Added.
<jbailey> Checking it out.
<dtm> dcmwai: no i'm not doing anything at all with enigmail just yet.  i'm sending email from an an app on an internet server, using gpg.
<dcmwai> dtm, ah... That is much different as what I know...
<dtm> dcmwai: yeah from a server to mozilla mail
<dtm> the app calls gpg
<jbailey> jamest: Navigator deb on its way to you.
<jbailey> Don't mind the verison number on it. =)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> i'll be making the release this afternoon
<jamest> probably about 2 hours from now
<jamest> maybe 3
<jamest> looks like it runs
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<jamest> jbailey: hows sarge shaping up anyway?
<jbailey> Ah excellent!  Ping me, when you've done it and I'll upload.
<jbailey> I told people IW as going to upload yesterdya, and then discovered the version number problem.
<jbailey> AFAIK, Sarge is going quite well.  gnome 2.2 is in now, python 2.3 is in now.
<jbailey> hppa is borked, but I'm fixing that hopefully today with a new glibc upload.
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<jbailey> As far as I know, the only other transitions are maybe XF4.3, the new glibc with NPTL, and gnome 2.4
<jbailey> I think everything else is now flowing properly.
<wendall911> jbailey: be aware that the new glibc breaks unix timestamps between 1900 and 1970
<mdupont> hi dtm dcmwai
<dtm> mdupont: herrow
<mdupont> hows tangs?
<jbailey> wendall911: Thanks.  It had never occured to me that someone would try to put any in.
<jcater> jamest: you see that message from wendall911??
<jbailey> I thought time_t's were unsigned.
<jcater> might mess up some of your software installs
<jcater> don't you use pre-1970 word processors?
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<wendall911> screwed me up on some mktime functions I was using for storing birth dates
<wendall911> I just had to make my own mktime function
<jbailey> Ah, yeah.
<jbailey> Sadly, signed time_t's aren't Posix, so it wouldn't be considered a bug.
<jamest> jcater: lemme check
<jamest> nope, I'm safe, this one's was released in 1843
<dtm> mdupont: fine, just trying to set up GPG email support in an app
<dtm> mdupont: i think i've got it all working except that it's calling gpg improperly or smething
<wendall911> jamest: where'd you get the update, mine is the 1842 version
<dcmwai> dtm, Then it is a different story....
<dcmwai> dtm you would require the setup the gpg (on the server) to the specify home dir for your key and etc
<dcmwai> which I'm not sure about it
<dcmwai> mdupont, hello :)
<dtm> dcmwai: i know.  you and I discussed that all night.  :)
<dcmwai> Yes...
<dcmwai> and it is useless :(
<dtm> what's useless about it?
<dcmwai> the whole discussion... :)
<dtm> dcmwai: well you did help me understand quite a bit, so thank you :)
Action: dcmwai is trying to rebuild mozilla with enigmail...
<dcmwai> which is always failing...
<dcmwai> dtm, well, thank to you I know more a bit :)
<dtm> yeah.
<dtm> dcmwai: are you trying to install enigmail on mozilla 1.5
<dtm> ?
<dcmwai> dtm, I'm trying to rebuild mozilla 1.5 Rpm with enigmail so that it can be install via RPM :)
<dcmwai> enigmail can be install via RPM
<dtm> oic
<dcmwai> But it is always problem.. 
<dcmwai> never success ...
<dtm> :(
<dcmwai> cause building enigmail with RPM spec is hard
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<jamest> you got to love this
<jamest> one of the profs here called campus help desk with the following question
<dtm> jamest: yay helpdesk
<jamest> how do I copy all the files in 1 directory to a different directory 
<jamest> they couldn't help him
<dsmith> !
<dsmith> !!
<jamest> so he called me
<jamest> being the super intelligent dude that I am
<jamest> cp dir1/* dir2
<jamest> and the day was saved
<dsmith> dcmwai: Why do you need to rebuild?
<dsmith> dcmwai: Can't you just repackage what they give you?
<dcmwai> dsmith, No I can cause I have a few patch to apply...
<jamest> its sad that the primary campus systems are solaris and the official campus helpdesk can't answer even basic questions about it
<dcmwai> 1) Mozilla Bug 116692 (LDAP defination)
<dcmwai> 2) Enigmail --> RPM is main part if this part is done.. blizzard said it will be on the SPEC files :)
Action: dsmith is thankful he is using Debian
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<dcmwai> dsmith, well, I'm not as luckly as you are...
<dsmith> I tried it for a few months.
<dcmwai> dsmith, Why not mozilla mail..
<dcmwai> I've use many mail system but I still like Mozilla mail much :) at least better that evolution that always halt in my system and I don't even like outlook /OE
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<dcmwai> anyone is going to help me on gnue-report with PHP ?
<dtm> dcmwai: hahaha.  my server is sending the email now.  but spamassassin is deleting it!  ;)
<dcmwai> Nice try, to including you in the blacklist :)
<dtm> dcmwai: i had to delete ALL the options to gpg.  now my app is only executing '/usr/bin/gpg' with no options, and it is sending.
<dtm> we'll see if it actually ends up having sent anything good.
<dtm> dcmwai: so you were correct in suggesting that my gpg command was too complex!
<dsmith> dcmwai: Worked fairly well, util my folders got large
<dsmith> dcmwai: I've been a sylpheed user for a while, so I went back to that.
<dcmwai> dtm, haha I always right :)
<dtm> yes i believe you are, sir
<dtm> congratulations  ;)
<dcmwai> dsmith, sylpheed isn't GPL right?
<dcmwai> dtm,  Thank
<dsmith> dcmwai: Sure it is.
<dtm> dcmwai, Welcome
<dcmwai> never try it yet..
<dsmith> This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later version.
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<dcmwai> If mozilla mail imap increase.. it will be alot more better
<dsmith> dcmwai: Very very very fast.
<dcmwai> dsmith, Text base?
<dsmith> dcmwai: gtk
<dsmith> Not gnome
<dcmwai> dsmith, hum... 
Action: dcmwai still sit bac to mozilla :)
Action: dcmwai start using Netscape on version 1.0 :)
<dsmith> dcmwai: Mozilla was cool.  It just couldn't handle the linux-kernel list.
<dcmwai> Hum Kernel 2.6 test 8 is not bad...
<dcmwai> dsmith, kernel list?
<dsmith> dcmwai: Yeah, it would always crash on that.
<dsmith> dcmwai: mozilla 1.4, i didn't try 1.5
<dcmwai> dsmith, Why don't put it to an imap server (host yourself) and it shouldn't crash... 
<dcmwai> dsmith, Then hopeless...
<dsmith> dcmwai: Well, here at work thay don't want you to keep your mail on the server.  I'm also using at least 3 pop3 accounts.
<dsmith> I used to have 5.
<dcmwai> Woo... Terror Guy...
<dsmith> dcmwai: http://sylpheed-claws.sourceforge.net/
<Vee2d2> claws and sylpheed proper seem to be fairly different
<dsmith> claws has things I needed, like multiple imap and pop3 accounts.
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<dcmwai> hum.. mozilla people should see how they do and take the best :)
<Vee2d2> dont use imap though
<dcmwai> why?
<Vee2d2> dont need it?
<Vee2d2> I'm saying, I dont use imap.. to be clear. ;)
<dtm> Vee2d2 is so hard core that he reads his mail with 'telnet server 110'
<dtm> and failing that, he'll just root the router and read it with a packet sniffer.  in hex.
<dtm> good job, Vee2d2 
<dsmith> imap is great if you are accesing your mail from different machines.  
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<dtm> also, imap is good if you like things that aren't ridiculous junk
<dtm> such as pop3
<dsmith> What's so hard about pop3?  It's designed to be used by humans.
<dtm> hehee
<dtm> well he telnets when he's lazy.
<dsmith> There is a non-free imap mua that is very fast. I think it's called mulberry.
<dcmwai> I use imap so that I can access my mail all around.. as long as there is new and web :)
<dcmwai> s/new/net
<dsmith> dcmwai: Yes, that's exactly what imap is for.
<dcmwai> and I love that function :)
<dsmith> Heh: with opera, mulberry, and textmaker, you can have an all non-free environment.
<jbailey> I've never done a speed comparison.
<jbailey> I wonder how the mailutils-imap4d is.
<dcmwai> hehe.. not try yet...
<dsmith> I really am grooving on firebird.  Very nice.
<dsmith> Which reminds me.
<dsmith> Have any of you gnue people thought about a chrome interface to gnue?
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<jcater> I thought about it once
<jcater> then washed my mouth out with soap
<dsmith> It would require firebird/mozilla
<chillywilly> dsmith: yea that is like #1 priority afaik ;P
<dcmwai> dsmith, Har? Chrome interface and require firebird and mozilla?
<dsmith> But it's all xml!! You guys *love* xml!
<dcmwai> chillywilly, #1 priority?
<dsmith> ;^)
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<dcmwai> s/when/will
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<chillywilly> dcmwai: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/default.asp
<dcmwai> chillywilly, Thank...
<dcmwai> anyone is going to help me on gnue-report with PHP ?
<jcater> dcmwai: what are you trying to do?
<jcater> I just use php's exec function
<dcmwai> Ah cater..
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<chillywilly> no loss ;P
<Vee2d2> php's proc_* functions are interesting
<dcmwai> jcater, I want to use gnue-report to get my invoice and printing with PHP
<dcmwai> so that i can use one template to have output like pdf,ps, xml and etc which no software cna do yet
<dcmwai> jcater, use exec function?
<dcmwai> just exec gnue-report blah blah?? did that work?
<jcater> I literally run the gnue-reports script with whatever parameters
<jcater> outputting to a temp file
<jcater> then rereading the temp file in php
<dcmwai> jcater, will I lost paltfrom dependency due to this exec function?
<jbailey> Most ISPs disable the exec function
<Vee2d2> I would hope you arent running arias on an isp
<Vee2d2> or anywhere else you dont have control
<dcmwai> jbailey, Nvm.. aria-erp is a gnue software who dare to run this software on their ISP :)
<dcmwai> Vee2d2, I do agree that.. 
<dcmwai> who dare to run your own acconting software on other people hands :)
<jcater> dcmwai: I don't foresee any completely platform independent way to run gnue-reports right now
<dcmwai> jcater, exec -- Execute an external program ?
<jcater> in a cross-language fashion like this
<Vee2d2> dcmwai: php.net/exec
<dcmwai> Vee2d2, Saw it thank
<dcmwai> jcater, If python is cross-platfrom then gnue-report will be isn't that right?
<jcater> gnue-reports is cross-platform
<jcater> but you were looking for a cross-platform way to invoke gnue-reports
<jcater> from within php
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<Vee2d2> anything's possible
<jcater> and I'm saying I don't know how you'd do that
<dcmwai> jcater, Just wounder how you called that script?
<dcmwai> and what script that languages use... python?
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<dtm> havoc_: hi
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<chillywilly> use webware and psp ;P
<dcmwai> chillywilly, webware and psp?
<chillywilly> anyway, ideally reports would use the gnue rpc stuff right? eventually? wasn't the plan for all the tools to use it?
<dcmwai> jcater, I think I've no choice.. making it exec with gnue-report is really hard an not sure if all platfrom cna run it...
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<chillywilly> reports isn't a "server" right now is it?
<jcater> no, it's not
<jcater> eventually there will be a reports server
<dcmwai> chillywilly, there is a gnue-server isn't it?
<jcater> using gnue rpc, etc
<jcater> but in the scheme of things, it isn't a high priority
<jcater> I want a useful reports client before I worry about running remote reports
<dcmwai> nvm...I'll have to use FPDF first then only after the gnue-report is ready I'll start changing, This is better
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<spaetz> Hallo SachaAway
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<dtm> dcmwai|AWAY: good night sir
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<Vee2d2> woohoo! our request to replat our rental property into 2 seperate lots just got approved!
<jcater> sweet
<dsmith> Vee2d2: Cool.  I used to own two lots.  It IS a pain to separate them.
<dtm> hey.  i want a rental property.   :(
<dtm> how come you guys get one?
<dtm> :/
<jamest> pack them in there Vee2d2!
<Vee2d2> ;)
<dsmith> Mine wasn't a rental.  I lived there, but it had an extra lot.
<dtm> jamest: hi
<dtm> jamest: so does Crystalspace rule?
<jamest> um
<jamest> define rule
<jamest> i will say it's the best 3d engine i've coded against
<dtm> does it rock?
<dtm> oic
<dtm> what are you coding
<jamest> nevermind the fact that it's the only 3d engine i've coded against
<dtm> ok.
<jamest> rpg system
<jamest> gnue based
<jcater> Vee2d2: you do any duplexes?
<dtm> jamest: you're kidding.
<jamest> nope
<Vee2d2> well.. there were 2 rentals on the property and I tore one down, but in going to get building permits and such to rebuild it, learned the zoning doesnt allow it.. so that's why we replatted.. 
<Vee2d2> jcater: nope
<jamest> now you'll have 4
<jamest> replat again in a year
<jamest> then 8
<jamest> then 16
<jamest> soon you'll be a land barron
<jamest> thanks to your 100'x50' lot
<Vee2d2> heh
<jamest> dtm: maybe it's all the goat abuse, but I'm finding common quite capable of doing it
<dtm> jamest: amazing.
<dtm> jamest: that's really amazing
Action: jcater thwaps dtm
<jcater> common is a pretty cool library
Action: dtm deftly deflect thwappage
<jamest> after being forced to code in java I must now conceed that gnue is a toy
<jamest> thus I have to program a game in it
<dtm> really.
<dtm> ?
<dtm> jamest: what did you code in jabba?
<jamest>  /msg jcater man, you can tell he's still new here.  Thinking that *I* would place java above god's language, python.
<dtm> :/
<jamest> =)
<jamest> it's a biz system i inherited
<jamest> i luv it
<dtm> ?!
<dtm> hm.
<jamest> in that "i'd fscking love to see this java P.O.S. die, die, die" kind of way
<dtm> could be worse.
<jamest> i doubt it
<dtm> like.  it could be running on Peachtree.
<jamest> the phd student that created it didn't seem to grasp fundimental concepts
<jamest> like programming
<dtm> or it could be a multiuser ERP system implemented as an Excel spreadsheet
<jamest> true dat
<dtm> well, that's a PhD's prerogative, and it's not up to you mere grads and undergrads to question it.
<dtm> ;)
<jamest> just fix it right
<dtm> regarding the spreadsheet, btw, i have heard of such things.
<dsmith> Anyone ever read anti-patterns?  There is a "golden hammer" pattern.
<jamest> the new releases are uploaded
<jbailey> Thanks, JAmes.
<jamest> still have to tag cvs
<jamest> i didn't test
<dsmith> If you ivest in a tool, you have to use it everywhere. Like Spreadsheets.
<dtm> hehehe
<jamest> only ran the same script that created the original prereleases
<jbailey> jamest: I'm urnning out to grab some bread, I'll upload it right when I'm back.
<jamest> i hope I'm not the only one that read that as urining
<dsmith> urning, as in making urns.
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<dtm> jamest: what the heck is 'urining'?
<dsmith> Or maybe as in urning an income?
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<dtm> :-I
<dtm> oh i get it.
<nickr> :-O
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<jbailey> Bah
<jbailey> "running"
<mouns> if ( 1 ) { goto bed; }
<jbailey> You need an optimiser.
<jbailey> You've wasted a condition instruction, and bed is small enough it could probably be inlined.
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<dtm> jbailey: :-I
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<jbailey> jamest-away: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current.php points to 0.5.1 still.
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<btami> jbailey: you can download the latest releases from http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/releases.php
<btami> just symlinks needs updating 
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<jbailey> btami: Thanks, BTW.
<jbailey> Looks good.
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<jbailey>  ./GNUe-Common-0.5.2/setupext/__init__.pyc
<jbailey> ./GNUe-Common-0.5.2/setupext/install_data.pyc
<jbailey> Those probably shouldn't be in there...
<jbailey> I'm deleting them out of my building thing, since they cause me a bit of grief.  Should I find a way to work around this in the future?
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<jbailey> CAn someone tell ,me if reports behaves sensibly now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=171535
<jbailey> I'd like to close the bug.
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<jbailey> The main web page doesn't like the address of the email list.
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<jbailey> Is it gnue@gnu.org?
<chillywilly> that's the "general" one
<jbailey> Good enough for this.
<jbailey> It's for the Debian ITP.
<jbailey> (for appserver)
<jbailey> Now I'm doing navigator.  Thanks, Dan.
<chillywilly> developers is gnue-dev@gnu.org
<chillywilly> announce is gnue-announce@gnu.org
<chillywilly> there's some others too...but those are the important ones that I know of
<jbailey> Now I just need to wait for bug numbers for those two so I can close them with the upload. =)
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<jbailey> 217169, and 217171
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<jbailey> Uploading now.
<jbailey> Done.
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<ajmitch> hmm
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<dtm> jamest: so do you have any screenshots of this gnue game?
<dtm> or a project page?
<jamest> snicker
<jamest> nope
<jamest> you don't want to see it
<dtm> jamest: you're going to design the easter egg subsystem aren'tcha
<dtm> you're gonna have gnue's equivalent to Excel's flight simulator
<jbailey> ajmitch: You're one of those crazy people that watches the BTS aren't you?
<ajmitch> jbailey: no, I got an email :)
<jbailey> I, on the other hand, have a rule that forces all of my bug email to go to a folder where I ignore it. =)
<ajmitch> hehe
<ajmitch> it somehow landed in my inbox :)
<jbailey> Once every few days, I do a search on the BTS for bugs that I feel like fixing. =)
<ajmitch> heh
<jamest> i'm working on the non graphical parts now
<ajmitch> is this folder called /dev/null? :)
<jamest> so my screenshot would, um, suck
<jbailey> Nope, they're all there.
<jbailey> All 161 of them. =)
<ajmitch> not bad
<jbailey> Yeah.  Since Dec 1, 2002.
<jbailey> Hmm.
<jbailey> That seems low.
<dtm> jamest: oic
<jbailey> I wonder if it's missing some, and they're going into other folders that I ignore.
<ajmitch> quite possibly
<jamest> and I won't put up a page until I decide I want to release this
<ajmitch> I'm sure you'd get quite a few bug mails
<jamest> right now it's just for fun
<ajmitch> due to followups, etc
<ajmitch> jamest: what are you spawning now?
<jamest> um, vile koder offspring
<jamest> but that was like 13 years ago
<ajmitch> heh
<jamest> an gnue based rpg engine
<ajmitch> scary
<jamest> yeah
<jbailey> Oh, wait
<jbailey> 707 bugs in there total in that time.
<jbailey> Much better.
<jbailey> 161 since I had last cleared the 'unread' counter. =)
<ajmitch> ah
<jbailey> I knew I was doing at least a couple bugs a day.
<ajmitch> can't remember if it's 4 or 5 keystrokes in mutt to mark all unread mails as read :)
<jbailey> C-a C-e in evolution. =)
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> in mutt you need to tag them first :)
<jbailey> Ah, sorr C-a C-k.
<ajmitch> how slow is mailutils' imap4d on mbox files with > 30000 messages, and > 150MB?
<jbailey> Dunno.  Haven't tried it.
<jbailey> Shouldn't be that bad.
<ajmitch> just a min, I'll give it a go..
<jbailey> IIRC, it does all the mbox parsing in a single pass.
<ajmitch> if it's decent speed like mutt, it'd be good
<jbailey> Yeah.
<jbailey> The imap4 protocol sucks.
<jcater> yeah, we should all switch to MS Exchange
<dtm> life on earth sucks.
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> we should move to the moon
<jcater> it's made of cheese
<jcater> I like cheese
<dtm> hey uh.  i wonder how mozilla mail would do with a similar inbox!
<dtm> yeah cheese is ok
<ajmitch> dtm: dunno, I mainly care about shell & web access
<dtm> yeah we could do that
<dtm> ajmitch: i'm gonna import such a beast into mozilla mail and see what hppaen
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> just...bah :(
<dtm> :/
<ajmitch> jbailey: well it appears that the imap server is loading the whole thing into memory :)
<jbailey> Erm.  It shouldn't AFAIK.
<jbailey> Certainly the original parser I had didn't do that.
<dtm> ajmitch: are you talking about phpgw?
<jbailey> Anyhow, I'm off.  'bye all!
<ajmitch> either that or it's mmaping, and top is reporting mmap'ed memory as resident
<dtm> ajmitch: last i knew, phpgw's imap implementation uses php4's imap which is horrendous
<dtm> ajmitch: everyone else reimplements imap in php
<jbailey> dtm: I saw that someone was going to write a mailutils module for php.
<ajmitch> dtm: yeah, php4's imap does suck - i can't access my imap server from phpgw
<ajmitch> that would be nice
<jbailey> Dunno how it was going though.
<jbailey> IT would be really trivial to do.
<jbailey> Gone.
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<dtm> ajmitch: are you talking about phpgw imap?
<dtm> ajmitch: is that the bloated horse you're referring to?
<ajmitch> dtm: I'm mainly testing with mutt at the moment
<dtm> ok
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<dtm> is anyone here very hip to the configuration of spamassassin?
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<dtm> dcmwai.
<dtm> dcmwai: i'm still wrestling spamassassin!
<dcmwai> dtm: You using mailscanner?
<dcmwai> then you should use the spamassassin Tar.gz and nor the rpm... the rpm is buggy
<dcmwai> Using the default configuration will be good  enough :)
<dtm> dcmwai: yes i use MailScanner
<dtm> dcmwai: i mean, i didn't set it up.
<dtm> i dont know what it is.
<dtm> actually i dont know what role spamassassin plays.  it's running but I see no messages from it.  only from MailScanner.  it's doing antivirus and antispam.
<chillywilly> I don't even get that much spam
<dcmwai> spamssassin is the spam caculator...
<chillywilly> it's a filter
<chillywilly> uses vipul's razor
<dcmwai> how the mail is define as spam is actually dependent on that..
<dcmwai> yea.. vipul razor (although I know nothing about it)
<chillywilly> it sets a spam header and you con filter on it usin procmail or what not
<chillywilly> can
<dcmwai> chillywilly: there are people using spamassassin with razor... But why?
<chillywilly> http://razor.sourceforge.net/
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<dneighbo_> i love those marlins
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