chillywilly: do you know how to tell SA and MailScanner to trust 127.0.0.1? i set it with 'trusted_networks' in local.cf but it doesn't work. i mean, MailScanner doesn't respect it dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.165.51) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) dcmwai: do you know how to tell SA and MailScanner to trust 127.0.0.1? i set it with 'trusted_networks' in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf but MailScanner doesn't respect it. i have no idea if MS and SA are related. Action: dtm rtfm dtm: spamassassin configuration in MS should be under /etc/Mailscanner/spamassassin* dcmwai: are the two packages related? i see no messages from spamassassin in /var/log/maillog or /var/log/messages dcmwai: well, anyhow. i shut down SA and MS for a moment and did my transaction, and the gpg email got through. the only problem is that there is no body or attachments. :} so i'll debug the app now. ... enjoy... Action: dcmwai will be busy for the whole day later.. :) okay :) dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dcmwai: okay. now i'm back to a gpg problem. i can send the emails for now if I disable the antispam filter. But now gpg is telling me that it doesn't have the public key of the recipient, but I just imported it. Action: ajmitch checks to see if this is #gpghelp oh yeah. haha. ha. ajmitch: should be #gnupg okay great. i could just pack up my toys and go. i could just go to #gnupg and leave you guys here! since it's like that now! :) ajmitch, dcmwai: thanks for your help last night guys you put me ahead quite a bit dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.165.51) left irc: "Client exiting" Nick change: md-zzz -> mdupont hi ajmitch, dtm heya mdupont written any packages yet? hi Vee :) Vee: i have reviewed the current packages, they dont seem to be existant correct. :) and I made a tool to convert the spec files into rdf so I will be able to process those specs easier also, i am looking into geas but no, i have been working on hurd and the introspector are there still flys buzzing around geas? i think the mach/hurd has an interesting api that might be able to reused Vee: yes there are, but I got the compiler running on its own wait, i am confusing things here i started on that, i got the python gdc parser running standalong i started on that, i got the python gdc parser running standalone and started on the geas parser vee's nick has lost some weight. but everyone said it was a waste the l4 project has a cool idl parser called ild4 that supports DCE and Corba idl what do you say, we translate the packages GCD files to idl? also, I have been looking into the mach api the idea of ports, processes and threads might be interesting for a business process model imagine if you could treat your customers as ports and your workers as threads and send messages to the customers via ports ;) like a fusion of the os/api and the gnue packages like in many business packages you need the idea of queues, locks, ports, authenticatoin etc why not borrow the *concepts* from the os to help guide the design of the business system there is also this new xml business process markup language wtf Action: chillywilly takes mdupont's crack pipe away ;) chillywilly: hi i was waiting for chillywilly to say something chillywilly: you know what I like about you? you are so normal but think about this : :-I I don't think anyone will be for tying gnue to an OS though not tying we have an architecture learn it ;) why not borrow the *concepts* from the os to help guide the design of the business system the concepts gnue appliance, with gnue in ROM! look : you have the idea of a port anyone know how to print an invoice with gnucash? that could be a customer or another business process the gnue coin-op version! Action: chillywilly is trying to get mad organized it could be another application jamest is alraedy working on GNUe Arcade Edition chillywilly: u go bwoi so, when you send your invoice object to a port, it will get translated to the appropriate form also, look at the locking mechanism many times you want to lock the invoice, because it is being processed Action: chillywilly entered an example invoice but cannot for the life of him figure out hwo to print it you might want a queue of invoices or orders that go into a business process theres the menu option but it tells me I have no invoice selected also you want a central authentication and authorization system then if I view the invoice that same print option is not there... oh duh click the print button! sheesh these *concepts* not code, but similar interfaces could be gleaned from the hurd/mach api also, the gnue schema needs internationalization or any design patterns book ajmitch: exactly but the business processes are similar to os processes mdupont: I don't think Hurd concepts will map nicely into the business world you want to track the resouce usage ;P chillywilly: Some of the concepts, yes the code, no Action: chillywilly said concepts you want to see the locks owned by a process that would be locks by a user on a invoice you want to see who is editing an object and maybe send them a message a central port/process/lock/message/auth api would help all parts of gnue at least reusable data structures and base classes I think #1 in GNUe is KISS yes and the address system, the identification of users it too simple you dont have a concept of a destination address as an abstract object you need different types of addresses for different media and all movements of information, internal and external should go via some central system so anyway, what about the idl questoin? the l4 project has a cool idl parser called ild4 that supports DCE and Corba idl what do you say, we translate the packages GCD files to idl? don't repaste what you just typed we did read it find / -user your -name base -print | xargs chown us:us haha nice ;P whoops ww i was just trying to gather some data ... ;) I thought chown used a "." for owner.group...does colon work too? yeah i think colon is the original unix(tm) way cw: it'll take a bunch of things I use a colon just to be consistent with /etc/passwd :) you could use only one or the other on R3, I think ( maybe it was R32 or R4 or SunOS 4.x ) ok Action: LuftHans will know even more obscure stuff about the Net after next week :) s/stuff/history/ gecos! and other lizards! goats! VEND Oh my! A GOAT :) :-. nickr (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection nickr (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. derek: is that you or a bot? derek is a bot, what are you talking about? Action: Vee oils derek bug-0-matic 9000, they dont make 'm like this anymore. he's a beaut'!! and the chrome just matches my brand new Thwapmaster(tm) 4500 with the TroutpakPlus(tm) addon Action: dtm gives derek a little spit-shine Action: dtm flashes derek's firmware btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Vee goes to bed Vee: good night, sir dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.165.51) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Action: dcmwai|AWAY is back (gone 05:40:12) Nick change: dcmwai|AWAY -> dcmwai dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.80.77) left irc: "Client exiting" mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (btami@3e70d823.dialin.enternet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hi jamest: don't you want to make public the 0.5.2, or just forgot to symlink to current ? btw. the cvs topic is autdated too um whoops :) and it's already in Debian. =) you know debian on the bleeding edge :) its ironicly true of unstable our stable is the oldest and our unstable is the newest i need software suggestions for a windows CD free stuff for my uzahs i'm forcing them to give up telnet/ftp (aaawwww, poor things) exodus - excellent jabbah client and will hand out cd w/ the good stuff on it better than PSI? gaim's a nice integrated client. We use it here on Windows. I like exodus' interface a lot better than gaim's jamest: http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/ ? Vee: nice Nick change: wtg`sleep -> wtg Abiword runs well under windows. Gnumeric is supposed to run, but I haven't tested it. openoffice.org! Tried 1.1, still loads like a pig and doesn't support wordperfect files. It's about as far as I got. hmm is that the latest ? I think so. Dunno. the latest felt .. so slick compared to the previous versions I tend to have no patience for less than instant loading and responsiveness, even on older machines. Heh. dsmith (~user@mail.actron.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection my experience with the latest abiword is much , much worse than my experience with the latest OOo which suprised me I killed abiword because it was bringing my machine down Mostly because on a floppy disk, on a 8088, "Electric pencil" used to load in 4 seconds, and did everything I want (including spell check) OOo was up in 12 seconds brought the machine down? Wow. Sounds like it tickled an X bug. No (Still sucks from the User perspective, though) it was consuming all resources on the machine itself not X X was on a separate machine Ah, haven't tried on a terminal server setup. I have had some crashes with abi, which is annoying. yea. i can't get users abi s/get/give it's too unstable for us here OOo 1.1 is the latest is OOo capable to save fat XML ? i can't find where btami: i dont know what that is isn't the phrase 'fat xml' reduanant? =no zip btami: there is a plugin which allows direct xml export, not in zip btami: yes btami: i found that for derek long ago requires you to have java installed oh and requires you to do a custom install so you can change our docs format from binary to xml ? s/you/we wtd mdupont (mdupont@p5080ECCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) thats dumb, it should be an option btami: change what docs format? users/developers-guide sxw oic btami: google for it or ask derek btami (btami@3e70d823.dialin.enternet.hu) left irc: "night all" lupo__ (lupo@p5085F219.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" 1110100100000000 No. are you making barcodes? jump 0x0 ;) mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: "jump 0x0 ; #begin a new day" mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. LuftHans: Are you online! jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" alandd (~alandd@h-64-105-64-37.PHNDAZ91.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit adam (~R45@cuscon539.tstt.net.tt) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: adam -> R45 \t (~R45@200.108.1.120) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~R45@cuscon539.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Nick collision from services. Nick change: \t -> R45 anyone know a channel i can ask about burning iso's ? wtg: probably #linpeople thanks dtm If it's on linux, man cdrecord is your best bet. Look under EXAMPLES Google for ``cd burning howto'', for info on how to setup your ide drives to show up as scsi devices. Or grow hair on your check, and run 2.6. (no ide-scsi required, works lovely) =) thanks jbailey ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. i already have the burner setup ... just curious if i burn a file.iso ... whether it will burn the file to disk ... or burn the contents of the iso to disk if that makes sense ? wtg: that depends think i've found the solution anyhow ... thanks guys on how you use your app on ? you hafta tell it that it's an iso it wont detect the internal data ok ... thanks jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" wendall911 (~wendallc@www2.83864.com) left #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~R45@200.108.1.120) left irc: "leaving" eald (~kheb@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: SachaS -> SachaAway eald (~kheb@host-148-244-140-29.block.alestra.net.mx) left #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: SachaAway -> SachaS jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-144.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey (~jbailey@atlas.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) what is up my people? Vee: werd em up mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. --- Fri Oct 24 2003