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<dcmwai> hum...
<dcmwai> anyone know about the gnue-report filter pdf?
<dcmwai> how did I actually use it -f pdf?
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<dcmwai> got that working now.. but now is... Where is all the xml files DTD...
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<dtm> dcmwai: hi
<dtm> dcmwai: i know nothing.  sorry.
<dcmwai> dtm: hi... I know you know nothing :)
<dtm> haha
<dtm> kthx
<dtm> i just thought *everyone* should know that, once and for all.
<dtm> "It is axiomatic that every program contains at least one bug and can be reduced in size by at least one instruction, therefore, every computer program can be reduced to a single instruction which does not work."
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<mouns> 'lo dtm :)
<mouns> 'lo people :)
<dcmwai> lo
<dtm> hi
<dtm> or lo, as it may be.
Action: mdupont found a really cool location for the fsf and gnue for the next LInuxTag
<mdupont> www.winzerhof-bregler.de
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<dtm> mdupont: yo
<dtm> mdupont: are you partied out?
<mdupont> yes, a bit
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<dtm> llallalallaa.
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<mdupont> back
<mdupont> dtm: are you one the gnue-dev list?
<dtm> nosir
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<mdupont> well, let me forward some mails
<mdupont> i got permission from J?rgen Janke to use the Compiere db schema under the gpl
<dtm> why'd you have to get explicit permission?  wasn't it already?
<dtm> is there any explicit license for the schema?
<mdupont> it is mpl
<dtm> okay well i dont know the MPL offhand.
<dtm> :/
<dtm> mdupont: so he changed it to be dual licensed under MPL and GPL?
<mdupont> he allows me to dual license, yes
<dtm> neat
<dtm> did you find the DCL schema?
<mdupont> yes, it is also in my schema dir
<dtm> here it is http://www.gnue.org/~dneighbo/fsf/datadictionary.html
<dtm> did you see that, from the DCL roadmap page?
Action: mdupont looks
<dtm> and note that the 1.0 point on DCL's roadmap includes the contact management
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/schemas/DCL.tgz
<mdupont> it looks like i dont have that schema
<mdupont> let me look
<mdupont> wait
<mdupont> i do
<mdupont> watch and workorder
<mdupont> but that is not the scheme from there
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<dtm> mdupont: what's not the schema from where?
<dtm> mdupont: maybe you should email derek@gnue.org and mdean5@kc.rr.com and ask which is the currently correct schema
<dtm> either cvs or derek's "datadictionary" thing.
<dtm> mdupont: do they conflict, or does one look like a superset of the other?
<mdupont> i got it
<mdupont> it is from here
<dtm> what's from where?
<mdupont> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/downloads/current/dcl-20020706.tar.gz
<dtm> you need to get DCL from cvs
<dtm> did you?
<mdupont> yes
<mdupont> let me check
<mdupont> :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dcl
<mdupont> that is my CVS/Root
<mdupont> but it might be in a branch
<mdupont> it has a table projectmap
<mdupont> but no dcl_project_map
<dtm> the last i knew, you need to get the project called 'dclgw'
<dtm> not the one called 'dcl'
<dtm> It's a trap!
<dtm> Abort!  Abort!   { cvs branch 'dcl' self destructs }
<dtm> Unless they renamed it in the last 6 months or so.
<mdupont> ok
<dtm> it's called 'dclgw' because he lightly ported it to phpgroupware
<dtm> s/he/mdean/
<dtm> fyi mdean is the biggity bomb, yo
<dtm> and he lives about 3 hours from my house
<dtm> so i'll hafta go get him someday.
<dtm> we'll go and drink a DCL somewhere ;)
<mdupont> :)
<mdupont> me gets the latest branch
<mdupont> co -r dcl-20020215-branch dclgw
<dtm> a-o-tay
<dtm> so i guess that command would update your local dir named 'dcl-20020215-branch' ?
<dtm> rsync style?
<dtm> er, 'rsync --delete -a' style  :)
<dtm> right?
<mdupont> checks out
<mdupont> the command was
<mdupont> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dcl co -r dcl-20020215-branch dclgw
<mdupont> but this does not have all the tables
<mdupont> only a few more
<mdupont> dcl_product_modul dcl_preferences dcl_session dcl_wiki dcl_wo_account dcl_wo_type
<mdupont> the rest are the same
<dtm> i dont understnad cvs syntax very well.
<dtm> what does 'dcl-20020215-branch' have to do with anything
<mdupont> dclgw/scripts/install/xml/dcl.xml that contains
<mdupont> <table name="dcl_project_map">
<mdupont> but there is no sql file with it
<dtm> hm ok here's the command i always used  -->  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.dcl.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/dcl co -r dcl-20020215-stable dclgw
<mdupont> the -r "BRANCH" is the  branch selector
<dtm> so i guess that's the same command except you're getting the development branch where I was getting the stable one?
<mdupont> http://dcl.sourceforge.net/ on the front page says to use that branch
<mdupont> to help test
<mdupont> so it should be the newest
<dtm> so in other words, "yes" ?
<mdupont> yes
<dtm> ok
<dtm> roger that, big daddy
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> well it seems that the schema is stored in xml
<mdupont> ok, so i got now the new pgsql  schema by using xslt
<mdupont> there is a strong disconnect between the pgsql schema there and the xml
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<dtm> mdupont: in DCL?
<mdupont> yes
Action: mdupont writes a bug report
<dtm> mdupont: you should consult mdean and derek
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<mdupont> i will when the get online
Action: mdupont posts a patch to dcl
<dtm> email is best
<dtm> ajmitch: hi
<mdupont> well sf has a patch system
<mdupont> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=834076&group_id=1424&atid=301424
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<md-afk> bbiab
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<gsoti> Sasha: hi
<gsoti> oops -> Sacha
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<mdupont> dtm: they rejected my patch : mdean wrote : Don't use the XML for the current code - it is for HEAD.
<mdupont> Use the files in the schema directory instead.
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<mdupont> hi jcater
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<mdupont> anyone awake?
<jamest> yip
<mdupont> dtm: where are you?
<mdupont> hey jamest
<jamest> probably watching sat. morning cartoon
<mdupont> <hhehe> so i have gotten a large number of these packages ported to postgres
<mdupont> aria, compiere
<mdupont> etc
<jamest> did you get reply from them on the gpl thing?
Action: jamest isn't up to speed on the issue but saw your post
<mdupont> yes, he gave me permission to dual license
<mdupont> i forward the answer to the list
<jamest> i haven't read my mail today
<mdupont> so things are going well
<mdupont> I wanted to get a copy of the phpgw schema
<jamest> a client decided I didn't need a weekend
<mdupont> but most of it is hidden in the php code
<mdupont> jamest: that sucks. I hope that they are paying?
<jamest> oh they'll pay
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<mdupont> good news
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<mdupont> so i am looking for a copy of the phpgw schema
<mdupont> does anyone have it installed?
<jamest> i don't
<mdupont> ok, well i can wait
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<mdupont> i am not very impressed by what i have seen so far :(
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<dcmwai> mdupont, oh? what happen?
<dcmwai> all bad schema?
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<mdupont> i mean the phpgw schema is not as impressive as the other ones
<dcmwai> oh
<dcmwai> ah that one I know..
<dcmwai> their ERP system seem to be very complicated.. and very advance..
<mdupont> yes? in phpgw?
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<dcmwai> mdupont, yes isn't that right?
<mdupont> so, i have gotten these dbs under postgres : aria bbstatus compiere custom dcl dclnew(unstable)  freemoney gforge gnucash  ipac   phpgw sqlledger  xiwa xoops zbc
<dcmwai> their sql script seem to be on some files (which is make to be different and can be easily import using smarty)
<mdupont> hi reinhard
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<mdupont> hi reinhard did you like that WinzerHof? that looks really like the perfect place to get all together and have a party
<dcmwai> mdupont, have you check nolapro Schema? (I think that should be much similary to aria but with some different)
<CrysMonkey> I'm a newbie with gnuenterprise - can anybody help me get GNUetools on windows working with my linux mysql backend server?
<mdupont> dcmwai: let me see
<CrysMonkey> hi everybody by the way
<mdupont> not yet
<mdupont> let me get that
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, that should be easy.
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, as long as the gnue.conf and connection.conf is setup correctly.
<CrysMonkey> easy for you, it doesn't seems to work for me. GNueDesigner hangs when trying to connect
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, I've try that and it work (but it was ages old)
<dcmwai> GnueDesinger in windows... hum I didn't seem to recall any halt there.
<reinhard> mdupont: what was WinzerHof? was it the italian style bar?
Action: dcmwai done this on the 5.0 version wiich is half year old.
<CrysMonkey> I suppose I should set up at least some sort of user/password for the mysql server as he might not be able to connect
<mdupont> that is a big schwabish house near karlsruhe (45min with the tram) we can get room for the entire gnue and fsf team for the linux world
<mdupont> did you get my mail?
<mdupont> www.winzerhof-bregler.de
<mdupont> check it out
<CrysMonkey> dcmwai: do you need the response from the designer? this is what it says:
<mdupont> reinhard: i also got permission to dual license compiere under the gpl/mpl
<CrysMonkey> DB000: ImportError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character u'\u0151' in position
<CrysMonkey> can anybody help?
<CrysMonkey> do I might need the unicode version of wxpython on windows?
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, by default.. mysql didn't allow connection other than localhost...
<jcater> mdupont: that is not how I read their response
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, thought so...
<mdupont> no? did you see the last one?
<jcater> best I can tell, they are talking about writing programs that work on top of their base system
<jcater> not in using parts of their code for your code
<CrysMonkey> dcmwai : yeah, I know but it has been set up the allow the local network in
<mdupont> jcater: good point, i will clarify that
<CrysMonkey> no problem with mysql
<reinhard> mdupont: just reading my mails
<mdupont> dcmwai: nolapro is not free
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, I think is is a Python Problem
<jcater> I am not a lawyer, though
<CrysMonkey> I can get in via several mysql tools with the necessary password
<jcater> however, I've been known to play one in IRC
<dcmwai> mdupont, Yes it is not...
<CrysMonkey> dcmwai: that's what I think as well.
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, try to update and retry again.. You shouldn't get any charater/Font set in windows.
<CrysMonkey> i'm using 2.3.2
<CrysMonkey> the latest release
<mdupont> dcmwai: I have aria, and that is like nola, basically a fork
<CrysMonkey> of python
<CrysMonkey> but for wxpython there are 2 versions, one for unicode, and I have the other
<CrysMonkey> can it be a problem?
<CrysMonkey> yeah I think that is the problem
<dcmwai> CrysMonkey, Maybe .. I'm not sure but you problem is about character ma so it is highly possible
<reinhard> mdupont: wrt compiere et al
<reinhard> basically it is a good idea to look at other programs to "learn" from them
<CrysMonkey> ok I'll try this, thanks dcmwai
<mdupont> wrt?
<reinhard> however we always have to be careful to not include proprietary code into gnue
<reinhard> wrt = with regard to
<mdupont> yes, reinhard. Compiere is MPL
<reinhard> and someone could see SQL schema as code
<mdupont> and I am just looking at the database model
<mdupont> i am trying to get permission to use that model under the GPL dual licensed with the MPL
<reinhard> yeah saw that
<mdupont> so it is not propreitory
<reinhard> just wanted to point out that you have to be very careful
<mdupont> yes, i am trying to be very careful
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> just wanted to make that sure :)
<mdupont> ;) thanks for the concern
<mdupont> i am planning on making a new model with a clean naming convention
<dcmwai> mdupont, Just check if there are change... 
<mdupont> and sythesizing all these models into a new one
<dcmwai> mdupont, but I'm doubt that they will :)
<mdupont> i dont think it is really worth it to just copy all the schemas togeather
<mdupont> I will have to to a clean re-write
<dcmwai> mdupont, haha :)
<dcmwai> mdupont, GOGO :)
<mdupont> but want to have a solid set of inputs and requirements to begin with
<mdupont> dcmwai: i have designed huge databases
<mdupont> this thing is just a set of concepts and patterns 
<dcmwai> mdupont, How huge it is?
<mdupont> most of it can be generated from a core set of classes
<dcmwai> mdupont, can aria use it ;)
<mdupont> what i have designed? or compiere?
<mdupont> dcmwai: in the past for worldcom, i made many database
<mdupont> some with hundreds of tables
<mdupont> or at least 150
<mdupont> but most dbs have redundant stuff in them
<mdupont> well aria is gpl compatible i think
<dcmwai> oh I see
<mdupont> i am not in design mode right now, i am in collect mode
<mdupont> and port mode
<dcmwai> Yes it will always be .. as long as I'm one of the developer.
<mdupont> soon i will have all these models running on my postgres server
<mdupont> dcmwai: you an aria developer?
<dcmwai> mdupont, You don't know yet :)
<mdupont> ::)
<dcmwai> mdupont, I hide well :)
<mdupont> thats funny
<dcmwai> mdupont, I didn't hide just that you didn't seem to know it :)
<dcmwai> siesal know that :)
<mdupont> dcmwai: i really have not done too much research into the packages
<mdupont> just got the tarball
<mdupont> extracted the sql
<mdupont> and loaded that into my postgres server
<mdupont> but that is really cool that you know aria
<mdupont> it is my number #2 pick in terms of db complexity :)
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<dcmwai> mdupont, but still I think that it is too much tables :)
<mdupont> well, we will see what I can do
<mdupont> i want to match up the gnue requirements to the tables from each system
<mdupont> and see if they meet them
<mdupont> so then we can compare the tables from each system via the requirement with each other
<mdupont> and produce a new clean set of tables
<dcmwai> mdupont, gnue-sb DB is from Nola (aria-erp mom) so it is likly to be compitable.. but I think aria db schema is no good enough.
<mdupont> hmm
<mdupont> well, i have not look into nola in detail
<reinhard> mdupont: you might also want to look at http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/packages/docs/main/x69.html
<mdupont> because aria seemed to have the same stuff at first glance
<reinhard> it's very outdated but the basic ideas should still be valid
<dcmwai> mdupont, it is not seem It is :)
<mdupont> ok, well then i need to do nola as well
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> yes, well i will stick to the gnue standards
<dcmwai> reinhard, any report guide? :)
<reinhard> no
<dcmwai> reinhard, oh that too bad do you knwo any have it?
<dcmwai> even the design of grd design...
<reinhard> dcmwai: i have to confess that i didn't look much at reports
<reinhard> :(
<dcmwai> reinhard, Nvm :0
<mdupont> reinhard: about the winzerhof, the reason why i think that it is a good idea
<mdupont> is because we will be able to get everyone in one place
<mdupont> and it is not expensive
<mdupont> not for the cooking, but for the price/benefit i think a house for the whole group has a advantage
<reinhard> mdupont: ok i understand
<mdupont> but its ok, 
<dcmwai> what is winzerhof?
<mdupont> i am just making a suggesstion
<mdupont> dcmwai: it is a large house where they make wine and rent rooms : www.winzerhof-bregler.de
<mdupont> like a vacation house
<mdupont> reinhard: i have also written a couple of mails
<mdupont> and we might be able to get a place at a school where a good friend of mine teaches in KA
<dcmwai> I can't go ... :)
<mdupont> why not? you would not make it to the expo?
<dcmwai> mdupont, I'm at Malaysia, don't have much money to be there. :(
<mdupont> hehe!
<mdupont> that is funny
<dcmwai> mdupont, how funny, I'm broke :(
<mdupont> ohh did not mean that
<dcmwai> If I've time and the money I'll sure be there but No beer, just cola :)
<mdupont> hehe
<mdupont> so you are muslim i assume, if you live in indonesia
<mdupont> sorry, malaysia
<dcmwai> mdupont, Guess wrong, I'm a Malaysia Chinese and I do speak Chinese and Malay.
<mdupont> :)
<nickr> no, indonesia is the muslim one, malaysia is the non muslim one
<mdupont> thats cool
<nickr> Indonesia is a theocracy, iirc.
<mdupont> ok, no insult intended
Action: mdupont has to get ready for another party
<dcmwai> because I'm practice buddhist and a vegetarial so I don't drink beer or alcholic.
<mdupont> dcmwai: that is good for you. I should do that as well.
Action: mdupont is a normal consumer of toxins
<dcmwai> mdupont, I love that :)
Nick change: mdupont -> md-party
<nickr> malaysia is an antiresting place, I used to have a friend from there
<md-party> buddism is really cool. I read alot of buddist texts
<dcmwai> md-party, Nice try :)
<dcmwai> nickr, antiresting?
<nickr> interesting
<md-party> see you all tomorrow?
<nickr> sorry I can barely see my screen
<md-party> bye
<dcmwai> md-party, bye
<dcmwai> Ok time to sleep..
<dcmwai> Night..
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<dtm> hi
<dtm> md-party: you party animal
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<dcmwai> anyone know much about report?
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