dcmwai (~Song@219.95.173.165) joined #gnuenterprise. hihi Vee hum no one is awake... dcmwai: hi hey dtm... dtm, where do you live? Salina, Kansas USA dtm, it is 00:00 there :) here is 15:54 no it's 12:54 here haha er, 00:54 dtm, what are you doing at this time? should you be sleeping? i was working on a store. Action: dcmwai think all developer love to sleep late at night... dtm, Working Now? yep dtm, the store using gnue? no way gnue has no store building technology per se jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-64-190-63.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dtm, oh...hum.. I think you can design that dcmwai: i think that, no, i cannot :) dtm, har why? because even if i was an enterprise software engineer, I dont have the man-years needed to replicate Interchange on gnue. dtm, ooh :) so we'll see what happens when mdupont unifies the schemas and possibly ports all these apps to gnue then what is dtm doing here :) admiring the fine weather dtm, I think it will be a very hard jobs... could be. mdupont probrabili need to redegisn them all unless there is a "Standart" Way of doing such a "Electronical Business" Else there will be a very hard jobs to do. as every user have their own "piority" he says he can do some crazy magic involving adapting a unified schema atop gnue, and creating a shim, so that he won't have to port every app and I have no idea what he's talking about in half of it. i dont have the knowledge to gauge the feasibility, but i trust his skills. that is something I'm waiting haha and if he doesn't deliver, then we dogpile on him. really have to wait for him. haha... DOGPILE ON THE HACKER Nvm as long as the 1st schema is started.. we can start to modified them.. Nick change: SachaAway -> SachaS dogpilezv Action: dcmwai is know to be a one line hacker.. Doing some change within a line :) which most developer don't like heh nickr: exactly. yeah and I am known for documentation and delivery of the whoopin's nickr, so free? free? No, I'm expensive. don;t know :) nickr, Are you? thats what I said nickr, 80USD/Hours? yeah that's what he costs, and i get a 50% cut <-- agent no more like $120US/hour still 50%! dtm, really.. did I get 80% cut not negotiable! okay as long as i still get 50%. you take what you want from the deal. 50% isn't bad Yeah. dtm, then what nickr get ... you have 50%, I got 80%... so 80 x 0.8 / 0.5 is what dtm and nickr going to get :) no no I get the other 50% to myself oh :) oh misscaculated.. :( It is 80 x 0.2 for both of you. and devived 50-50. that meant 8USD/hr per person :) haha Action: dcmwai is nut nut bar yummy i'll take $8/hr depends what for not like for crawling in toxic waste sorry I'd take $8/hour if it were something I truely loved. nickr, what is your expert fields... Python? yes but to be payed that little it'd need to be projects I'm truely interested my current (which is salaried) is around 18/hr I think. i'd take $18/hr. barely enough for the level of interest I have in the porjects. that's practically like $400/hr in Oregon Dollars. nickr, That is still low compare to the old time :( yeah man :) Action: nickr blinks. I'm not sure the price in Malaysia... nickr, How hards is python? my brother's got a house rental through a low income housing project and we're talkin about Rent-a-Center vs. credit cards and cashflow and all that. and he says he doesn't have the cashflow to buy used appliances outright and i'm sympathizing. and he asks how much i've ever made before and i'm like "oh, $100,000 a year a little while back." and he's like DOH!! haha now that i have a smattering of an education on economic trends, i now know that $100,000/yr was PURE ANGEL DUST, BABY haha Action: dcmwai wounder if he can earn that... dcmwai: turn back the clock, move to the San Francisco Bay Area, and have at it, buddy or wait another 5-10 years and move there hey, move there now coz it takes 5-10 years to network SFBA from scratch haha... you can get a room for $400-500/mo no problem I create money from thin air BAMF people are opening up their homes for extra cash nickr: !! like Emril creates fluffy white chocolate creme-stuffed rolls with the toasted almond tips FROM THIN AIR. **BAMF** precisely I SEEN IT i saw it all. i was there. life in US and other country seem to be alot different :) living here is simple and easy... Not as hard as us... okay I'd like to live in Malaysia you're seriuosly generalizing one lifestyle to a country the size of a continent with hundreds of millions of people? do consider again, sir! truenuff the US sux dude! tv tells me so! yeah that too. but US got the best things in the world... sex where?! Nan.. hatred JIHAD I meann.... oh really? oh yeah we do have that! that we got. i read a quote that said "Terror begins at home!" well, we got sex all around the world :) serious? far out dood dood? dcmwai: hey take a look at the brilliance of the collaborative powers between nickr and i. http://hotr.biz/cgi-bin/fchotric00s02/scan/st=db/co=yes/sf=category/se=Fruit%20Scents.html dcmwai: he led me in tweaking the color scheme you take one look at it and think HEY I WANT TO EAT WHAT'S ON MY SCREEN, EXCEPT IT'S A SCREEN. >:-/ COZ IT LOOKS GOOD ENOUGH TO EAT. ... Nick. You ate the screen, didn't you :-/ toldja :( :\ gotta be careful it's TOO GOOD it does look like candy have to go ... ta\ dcmwai (~Song@219.95.173.165) left irc: "Leaving" ouch he most likely also ate his screen and felt too embarassed to admit it poor dcmwai is too humiliated to face we, his very peers nickr: and to think that it was *our* work which reduced him to this. What have we done? :( Action: dtm accidentally and suddenly vomits on nickr's shoes out of sheer panic and disgust sorry bro yike s Action: dtm puts on some Enya dcmwai (~Song@219.95.173.165) joined #gnuenterprise. hum.. Have to go again... Action: dcmwai is using some people computer.. sso.. stupid drone zone broke my brain dcmwai (~Song@219.95.173.165) left irc: Client Quit hehe nickr: what's that? ambient music no beat or anything just .. cold blue noise ha. CrysMonkey (~chatzilla@81.182.126.198) joined #gnuenterprise. names hi everyone I'm a newbie with gnuenterprise, I wonder if there is a tutorial available how to create a sample application with gnuenterprise CrysMonkey: you should idle here indefinately, and you shall receive the answers which you seek or post to the mailing list pfft patience! ajmitch: you have no candy for me. You go now! or look at the developers guide for forms for a start of a tutorial Yeah! Do that! Just like I was saying. thanks. And then idle. yes :) CrysMonkey (~chatzilla@81.182.126.198) left #gnuenterprise. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. the quitter! btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all btami: hi hi dtm if CrysMonkey comes again, please tell him to contact me at btami@freemail.hu ok i'v just realized he is from hu too aha you going to tutor him in creating apps? :) ofkoz :) btami: how nice btw. ajmitch, can you tell me some words about how dotgnue and mono can do, or can't hmm i'v met them just this week first in my life such as? :) ah ok and a little confused well both have the same essential bits of a C# compiler & runtime and some class libraries also things like phpgroupware sort of fall under dotgnu Action: ajmitch tries to think a fair number of class libraries have been implemented, and ones that run on mono generally run on dotgnu also can these technologies will useful for gnue to write class procedures in different languages, or something? they can be for example, dotgnu has the dgee, which is sort of an appserver that can communicate via xmlrpc it can use classes that are written in C# or python and I have intended to use the python stuff that I wrote for it to load GNUe classes for db work, etc :) great I have hoped to get some cooperation between projects, at some point go get em, ajmitch gnue-dotgnu or mono-dotgnu? gnue-dotgnu mono-dotgnu is partly happening, partly a lost cause :) why? megalomania? just a guess. more or less miguel's an ass, rhys can be stubborn i dont mean to be dramatic, but we are talking about Miguel. the latest offer of cooperation turned into another small flamewar ok although we do still have the standing agreement that dotgnu can use mono class libraries they need a diplomat, huh which is fairly important I guess when dotgnu does use them, we'd be no-good leechers who can't implement their own stuff :) ah well Action: ajmitch doesn't get into the C# coding much Nick change: md-ZZzzZZzz -> mdupont mdupont: ! 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ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-110-155.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi guys :) hi siesel siesel I hope I will have time , maybe in February 2004 for ebxml - gnue and stuff hello all siesel:rpctype = xmlrpc.py_xmlrpc - is that the right syntax for appserver's part in gnue.conf? siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-110-155.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-109-117.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas:yes. SachaS: I'll have my last exams on 4. Februar, so I will probably have time then too Do you know something about enterprise integration software? dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel only the principle (publish / subscribe IMHO we have to improve gnue-integrator to provide a solution for stuff like this. just theory basically Do you know some good tutorials or webpages to look for stuff like that? siesel yes. i want to have an example application (as stupid as it is) to work. gnue - ebxml - ebxml - gnue siesel: it was not clear I tried py_xmlrpc and had errrors, may be to put info in comments for options other then plain xmlrpc? siesel: webpages / tutorial about enterprise application integration (eai) dont have would give www.dmoz.org a go and google ok, I'll update the sample.gnue.conf and sample.connection.conf files SachaS: Thx. I'll try. siesel: sounds like February 2004 is a good time then ;) yes :) siesel: thanks i might live close to reinhard by then, maybe close as in 30 minutes drive what i miss is real world experience real world business application experience yes. i just did an interview with an open source eXML developer www.linmagau.org : current edition mentioned gnuenterprise as well in the interview ;) cool. Action: siesel is reading the interview in the next edition I will have an article about ebXML nice. thanks ;) Action: SachaS wants to do more gpl ebxml stuff after studies Action: SachaS needs to find work in ebxml after studies ... when do you plan to start working (when do you finish univesity?) hope to finish end of december or middle of january dont have a job yet as such ... there is an opportounity, maybe, in sydney but ... they are SOO MS oriented I guess I would get sick the first day .. Do you've read the comment on linux by DATEV? I first thought, that they would be an oportunity, but now..... They think that even for the server linux is no choice. :( no. what is DATEV? ok that says pretty much DATEV hosts software services for 80% (a guess) of all german "Steuerberater" if they say linux is no choice ... do they use unixes? I hope so, but probably not :( Nick change: SachaS -> SachaAway R45 (~R45@cuscon488.tstt.net.tt) left irc: "Lost terminal" btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: SachaAway -> SachaS mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. I just sent an email to gnue-dev about the interview where I mentioned gnuenterprise and a link to the article which will go into the next online edition of the linmagau magazine i ask the gnue developers to comment on the article and to add links to open source implmenetiaonts in the area of business applications. if the email gets through siesel: i'v just tried gnue-reports-server from python following your mail, and it works ! http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~btami/gnue-reports-server-test.py btami do you have the output of that as well, to look at it? yes, wait a min... nickr (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~btami/monthly.pdf nice. thanks Action: SachaS makes a request for another couple of hours per day ;) good night Nick change: SachaS -> SachaAway 'gnight dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) jemfinch (~jfincher@dhcp065-024-075-056.columbus.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anyone here to answer a simple SQL question? I thought that Text columns were supposed to match case-insensitively. was I mistaken? jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-211-135.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. damokle (~damokle@pD954D332.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch: i think text columns are case sensitive btami: great. gsoti (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-169-147.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__ (lupo@p5085F4AA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: hmm. I could've sworn that TEXT columns were supposed to be case-insensitive, but BLOB columns weren't. I know that's how MySQL handles it. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.57.206) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel, ... I've got pdf output working on the php client to gnue-report.. Just that .. it didn't support my Character in Chinese... siesel, wounder if the defination files have anything to do with it? nickr (nick@e-64-35-146-235.empnet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jemfinch: i'v never used mysql, i'm a firebird user btami: would you mind testing that out for me, then? CREATE TABLE foo (t TEXT); INSERT INTO foo VALUES ('foo'); and i think firebird is much more close to sql standard SELECT * FROM foo WHERE t='FOO'; oh, I wouldn't doubt it. in firebird there is no TEXT, just char,varchar,blob so i can't test is TEXTcase sensitive or not... hi a,, all hi michael dcmwai: no, the destination file has nothing to do with that. did you apply that unicode support patch? siesel, Where is ther and where should the unicode patch apply to? the python ped or gnue-report? dcmwai: its at: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/gnue-reports_unicodePatch I have try to print the docbook.grd to pdf and it say something is not define.. So where do all these define went to? you have to run 'patch -p 0' in the gnue-reports directory dcmwai: I never tried docbook.grd. One second. siesel, to be ture, This report server really ease the jobs... just that I need to write all the defination files and where to put it. do you have any form of documentaion or example so it will ease the setting. There is documentation in the Concepts-Guide in gnue-reports/doc Nick change: gsoti -> gsoti_away hi dimas_ hi siesel siesel, did we really have that? chillywi1ly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection chillywilly (danielb@24.167.193.166) joined #gnuenterprise. gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-169-147.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left #gnuenterprise. yes, but its more concept than full documentation haha... die loh Nick change: mdupont -> md-afk chillywilly (danielb@24.167.193.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai: you really should look at the files in gnue-reports/doc. bbl (dinner) looking... siesel, sorry to say that unicode code don't seem to procduce an Correct Chinese Code pdf... Hi all. siesel, I'll read the doc today and will talk to you tomorrow.. Action: dcmwai is almost death... Action: dcmwai say night to all ... Time to sleep dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.57.206) left irc: "Client exiting" I am new at GNUe and try to start. I installed the win32 install files and got GNUe Designer working. So far so good. But where do I find the BASE Package? ? Pardon? what base package? At http://www.gnuenterprise.org/project/docs-all.html at Packages Documentation you find the Doc of Base Package. This Package have to be installed separatly, havn't it? ah we don't have a base set of packages available late s/late/yet people work on it but it goes slow That means I have to write my on Person-Module? dtm_ (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) joined #gnuenterprise. What is the meaning of GEAS? GEAS is the first implementation of an application server for gnue. It is now obsolent, as we have a python application server now. dtm (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) got netsplit. This which could be downloaded as GNUe-AppServer? siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-109-117.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) dtm (~dtm@r1.txwifi.com) got lost in the net-split. siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-112.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hm Mr_You (~rouzer@64.105.194.94) joined #gnuenterprise. hi wow, big channel these days. huge compared to old days heh Has anybody experiences with installing GNUe-AppServer on WinXp? yes damokle: have you got any problem? btami: I've Python 2.2.2 and Pywin and wxPython on my Comp. and installed the WinTools of GNUe and a firebird Database. Is the AppServer in the WinTools? I didn't found it. gnue-appserver.exe in bin directory but first you have to setup the [gnue] database in etc\connections.conf with provider=interbase and create a gnue.gdb and populate it with data from share\doc\gnue-appserver\examples\interbase.sql btami: which version are you using? 0.5.2 Aaaa. I use last version. Ok. I will try. How do I populate it? hi Mr_You isql c:\home\gnue.gdb -u sysdba -p masterkey -i %1 -o out.txt hello gnuers what i'v used hi chillywilly Mr_You: what's up chuck ;) hehehe damokle: it's my sql.bat , which gets .sql as a parameter if it's ok, than you can start gnue-appserver.exe and can use "gnue-forms.exe sample.gfd" to test it but i have to say the appserver has no procedure support yet, so it's hes baby stage at the moment nuttin much you chilly? 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Nick change: md-afk -> mdupont lupo__ (lupo@p5085F4AA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection mdupont (mdupont@p5080EB89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.39) left irc: siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-205-112.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.61.164) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.61.164) left irc: Client Quit Nick change: SachaAway -> SachaS dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.173.165) joined #gnuenterprise. ssuas (~aeturnus@207.cust3.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) joined #gnuenterprise. hello jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-211-135.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" hi nick SachaLunch SachaS still SachaS :) Not SachaSLunch :) mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: SachaS -> SachaLunch ;) anyone can tell me what is dtd? Defination type define? for xml? Document Type Definition wtg: usefull? for xml? it is very important or Just a require? arr i beleive it defines possible elements that are allowed in that xml doc ie. in xhtml the dtd document defines that you are allowed to use a, div, span etc, etc and also defines there attributes ... ie. so if you try and add a tag to xhtml then try and validate it ... the validator will look it up the dtd and spit you an error because dtml is undefined in the dtd doc well that's how i understand it anyway =) haha.. I'll be back to read about it Action: dcmwai is away: Lunch Time.... Let Eat mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. he purpose of a DTD (Document Type Definition) is to define the legal building blocks of an XML document. It defines the document structure with a list of legal elements. s/he/the there's a better def http://www.w3schools.com/dtd/default.asp Action: dcmwai is back (gone 00:11:00) ssuas (~aeturnus@207.cust3.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) left irc: "thanks for all your help."