Action: dcmwai wounder.... Who in #gnuenterprise undert fully how the gnue-report work...
<ajmitch> only the authors :)
<dcmwai> Who is the author.. I saw jamest , jcater and siesal on the list
<nickr> some crazy guy
<nickr> could be all three
<dcmwai> As far As I see.. they are.. Hum where is derek...
<nickr> possibly sleeping
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<btami> good morning
<dtm> dcmwai: i'm pretty sure it's reinhard
<dtm> i think he wrote the current appserver
<dtm> originally
<dtm> the architect, as i know it
<dtm> chillywilly knows
<reinhard> hi btami
<btami> hi all
<reinhard> dtm/dcmway: i confess nothing
<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> dcmwai not dcmway
<dcmwai> reinhard: confess...
<dcmwai> I confess after I read all the doc and example.. I still have hard time with it....
<dcmwai> It is Not Easy
<reinhard> can i try to explain something?
<reinhard> do you have any questions?
<dcmwai> reinhard: Not really a question
<dcmwai> Is the way the report work...
<dcmwai> I think that I can do it this way Aria-->xmlrpc-->output.. But actually it was..
<dcmwai> Aria--xmlrpc(without data)-->access database, get data-->format database using Gnue-report own way-->Output...
<dcmwai> which isn't much easy to customize it to print a PO/DO 
<reinhard> dcmwai: sorry dtm said about appserver
<reinhard> now i read the logs and see you talk about reports
<reinhard> jcater is our reports guru
<dcmwai> appserver.. Oh that isn't really what I've touch.. :)
<reinhard> sorry
<dtm> reinhard: oh i thought he meant the appserver!  sorry!  ;)
<reinhard> np
<dtm> reinhard: but you're still da man.
<dcmwai> reinhard: How is appserver going?
<dcmwai> the php and javascript is done ?
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<dcmwai> reinhard: Sorry :(
<btami> dcmwai: what is your actual broblem with reports?
<btami> is it php related or gnue-reports or another?
<dcmwai> btami: Gune-report related..
<btami> i'm trying to answer, if i can :)
<dcmwai> It is about the UTF-8 code which send from database /grd files to the gnue-report.
<btami> ah, this is siesel's patch issue
<dcmwai> the output xml always have an iso8895-1 code.. anyway to change it?
<dcmwai> I've that patch
<dcmwai> but what is the patch really doing
<btami> i havn't tried it, wait a min...
<dcmwai> ok
<btami> as i see, it encode to utf-8 the text data coming from db
<dcmwai> Yep
<btami> please try that patch with html filter with gnue-reports first
<dcmwai> ? btami, there is another patch with html filter?
<dcmwai> where can I get that?
<btami> no, that patch is for tabulator filter, wich has several
<btami> output formats
<btami> html,pdf,txt...
<dcmwai> btami: so you are suggesting that I do the same to html/pdf filter source
<btami> no, the patch modifies only GRSources.py, tabulator/Adapter.py and GRField.py
<dcmwai> ye
Action: btami talking about a patch, he never applied :)
<dcmwai> But something strange in the pdf filter...
<dcmwai> the fonts.. is not at the right dir...
<dcmwai> ArialUnicodeMS is a Windows ... Linux didn't have that...
Action: dcmwai is thinking of getting a free unicode Fonts what have lots of the Code. :)
<btami> yes, this the reason i'v suggested html to try first
<dcmwai> btami: let try :)
<btami> and if it works, you can add more font_to_filename in pdf.py :)
Action: btami doesn't knows chinese font names dcmwai using
<dcmwai> btami: by changing the filter from raw to html I've this... The server returned an error (1): exceptions.AttributeError:'module' object has no attribute 'TransformAdapter'
Action: dcmwai have no idea what fonts will be use.. but perferable it a Fonts that with everylanguages with int... So it might be ArialUnicodeMS
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<siesel> morning
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<LuftHans> griassle
<btami> hi siesel
<siesel> hi btmai, Griassle Lufthans, Nihao dcmwai :)
<btami> dcmwai, it works for me with python(i have no php)
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<dcmwai> siesel: HAHA...
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<siesel> dcmwai: What report file are you using?
<siesel> Can you mail it to me? Or help me to translate monthly.grd to chin. ? So we have a common basis to test the unicode mode.
<siesel> I didn't used that code for some month, so I'll have to check if it still works for myself. HTML output I've allready tried and should work.
<siesel> I'll back in ca. 30 min, if you want to work on this issues.
<btami> dcmwai: have you got a [simple:html] section in your
<btami> report-filters.conf
<btami> with engine=tabulator ?
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<btami> just want to know the problem is only a font issue in pdf.py
<btami> and siesel's patch is ok
<dcmwai> Sorry I was away...
<btami> np
<dcmwai> siesel: Now testing html..
<dcmwai> I've try pdf but Just the charter isn't right other is ok
<dcmwai> btami: engine = sablotron???
<dcmwai> why is the engine different?
<dcmwai> siesel: Will Do can I just do some simple translation :)
<btami> there is too, one is XSLT, another(tabulator) is XSLT-less
<dcmwai> btami: So which one should I use?
<btami> with sablotron you can produce any output/layout format if
<btami> you write xsl
<btami> i'm suggesting tabulator
<btami> it has pdf output
<dcmwai> btami: then it shouldn't be a problem...
<dcmwai> ok.. I'm changing it.
<dcmwai> still the same ... The server returned an error (1): exceptions.AttributeError:'module' object has no attribute 'TransformAdapter'
<btami> and siesel's patch is for tabulator :)
<dcmwai> I did read thgough python.. it is not hard but it isn't that easy... expecially the error message..
<btami> <btami> dcmwai: have you got a [simple:html] section in your
<btami> <btami> report-filters.conf
<btami> <btami> with engine=tabulator ?
<dcmwai> YEp
<dcmwai> That is what I do..
Action: dcmwai didn't restart the gnue-report server (didn I need to?)
<dcmwai> siesel: what is your email?
<dcmwai> mail@jan-ischebeck.de?
<dcmwai> am I lost?
<btami> in space :)
<btami> <siesel> I'll back in ca. 30 min, if you want to work on this issues.
<dcmwai> btami: ah.. really I'm lost... I missed that...
Action: dcmwai is sick... 
<mdupont> so what about a GUI for configuring GNUE?
<mdupont> like a gui for making the config files and searching for databases and servers?
<btami> mdupont: fell free to start writing a .gfd for that
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> i think that is really needed
<btami> there is a connection.gfd in common/utils
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> great
<btami> i'm packaging that for win32 stuff
<mdupont> ok
<btami> it's siesels work, but i have to say jcater don't liked the idea
<btami> too much
<btami> enabling *users* to write bad db config
<btami> however win users likes it, IMHO
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> well, let me see what i can do
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<md-work> later
<dcmwai> btami: what jcater don't like about?
<dcmwai> btami: can I ask you to do me a favour?
<btami> yes
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<dcmwai> When the time that aria can use gnue-report can you packages a gnue-report for win32?
<btami> sure
<dcmwai> btami: for *nix user it is not problem but for all the win32 user... It is hard for me to tell them what todo...
Action: dcmwai had stop windowsing for 7 months :)
<dcmwai> btami: Thank You :)
<SachaS> nice
<SachaS> opengroupware looks nice
<dcmwai> SachaS: opengroupware is nice..
<dcmwai> the webmail is really good.
<dcmwai> Just the same problem on all programming... International support ..."suck" ;)
<SachaS> dcmwai did you check the live cd?
<dcmwai> SachaS: I've the server install it :)
<SachaS> ok. :)
<SachaS> i heard its not so easy to install ;)
<siesel> w
<SachaS> thats why i got the iso
<dcmwai> SachaS: What is the different from the live CD opengreoupware compare to the one we have?
<siesel> s/w/back/ :)
<SachaS> dcmwai it is on a knoppix cd . so no installation, you just boot the distribution and have an installed (demo) opengroupware :)
Action: dcmwai have no idea.. why knoppix cd need opengroupware..
Action: dcmwai is thinking maybe they are trying to do a "diskless" Server :)
<SachaS> dcmwai. opengroupware is installed n a knoppix cd ;)
<dtm> dcmwai: yes they are
<SachaS> yeah , why not ... or just to allow people to check opengroupware out without any installation
<dcmwai> SachaS: ah I've miss type.
<dcmwai> dtm: diskless server? Really?
<dcmwai> siesel: is the email address correct?
<siesel> yes. I got your mail. Thx.
<dtm> dcmwai: well, i suppose so!
<dcmwai> siesel: but just wouner can it run?
<dcmwai> dtm: woo..... 
<dtm> dcmwai: yeah
<siesel> dcmwai: html is working. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/chin_reports_output.html
<siesel> but the page title etc. need a seperate patch, so we better leave it for later.
<dcmwai> siesel: that can be compensite...
<siesel> probably I should commit that patch to common
<dcmwai> but why your html work and mind don't...
<dcmwai> hum...
<siesel> seems like it don|t find the adapter
<siesel> so probably a path is not set correct.
<dcmwai> The server returned an error (1): exceptions.SystemExit:
<dcmwai> Database driver needs updated to not initialize DBSIG_DataObject_Object
<dcmwai> This is on the debug log...
<siesel> thats strange.
<dcmwai> this is the new error message (from test.php) The server returned an error (1): exceptions.AttributeError:'module' object has no attribute 'TransformAdapter'
<siesel> Seems like gnue-reports can't find the transform adapter. This is code from GRFilters.py
<dcmwai> isn't that the html filter is html?
<siesel> yes, but there is much stuff added before that html
<siesel> what is in the [mappings] part of your report-filters.conf?
<dcmwai> [mappings].... wait
<dcmwai> there is not [mappings]
<siesel> then please add the following two lines:
<dcmwai> s/not/no
<siesel> [mappings]
<siesel> simple = GNUe:Reports:SimpleTabulation
<dcmwai> sure :)
<dcmwai> siesel: Mind I say.. I did miss again.. :(  just saw mappings..
<dcmwai> [mappings]
<dcmwai> simple = GNUe:Reports:SimpleTabulation
<dcmwai> mailmerge = GNUe:Reports:MailMerge
<dcmwai> labels = GNUe:Reports:Labels
<dcmwai> standard = GNUe:Reports:Standard
<dcmwai> siesel: sometime when you away, btami said it might have something to do with enging..
<dcmwai> And I've change to engine = tabulator 
<dcmwai> before that it was engine = sablotron
<siesel> ok, so it seems to be a different problem. :(
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<siesel> can you let python parse the tabulator/Adapter.py file? IMHO the problem could be caused by an syntax error
<siesel> just do a python Adapter.py
<dcmwai> Traceback (most recent call last):
<dcmwai>   File "Adapter.py", line 33, in ?
<dcmwai>     from gnue.common.foTraceback (most recent call last):
<dcmwai>   File "Adapter.py", line 33, in ?
<dcmwai>     from gnue.common.formatting import GTypecast
<dcmwai> ImportError: No module named gnue.common.formatting
<dcmwai> rmatting import GTypecast
<dcmwai> ImportError: No module named gnue.common.formatting
Action: dcmwai is away: Dinner, Let get food and Go home :)
<siesel> dcmwai: that's good :) As the syntax is correct.
<siesel> When you back please do a cvs update, as I add some more debugging output to the filter setup to check for the error occuring on your system.
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<dcmwai> now back :)
<siesel> :)
<dcmwai> siesel: I find that most of the time the developer seem to use is to catch "Bug"
<dcmwai> and the error message of the programming is really... hum
<dcmwai> too not human like
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<siesel> so what messages do you get?
<dcmwai> DB000: UnicodeError: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
<siesel> what is the context? As this finally is a unicode problem :)
<dcmwai> Both of the context have this problem as long as the filter is html
<siesel> what about the old 'TransformAdapter' problem? Did it work now?
<dcmwai> oop... em. even using pdf on the original context .. monthly.grd it still problem
<dcmwai> What about it?
<dcmwai> siesel: I should say.. as long as there is a -S in the grcvs it will be the same error.
<siesel> So it works without the -S?
<dcmwai> it work for pdf, raw without -S on the original files
<siesel> Can you do an CVS update and try to reproduce the error, as I added some debug code to fix it.
<dcmwai> on the new files (unicode, Chinese) it will be  UnicodeError: Latin-1 encoding error: ordinal not in range(256)
<siesel> that is ok, as I haven't commited a patch to allow unicode strings in grd files.
<dcmwai> siesel: still the same..
<siesel> can you run it with --debug-level=12 and search for Import of Filter from XXX successful?
Action: siesel doesn't understand why it doesn't work with the server.
<dcmwai>  --debug-level=12  is on server or grcvs?
<btami> dcmwai: is it working without server?
<dcmwai> btami: Yes but only pdf and raw but not html
<dcmwai> siesel: What error message you want.
<dcmwai> DB003: [ServerAdapter:358] Transform result None into 1
<dcmwai> DB000: UnicodeError: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
<dcmwai> 1st line is server error 2nd line is grcvs error
<siesel> ok. the real error is that UTF-8 one.
<dcmwai> think so..
<siesel> btw. pdf with titles work now too :) http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/chin_reports_output.pdf
<dcmwai> hey siesel that is not fair...
<dcmwai> haha..
<dcmwai> I've dig the whole day for it and it work on your site.. :)
Action: dcmwai is thinking about just sending all aria report to siesel machien :)
<siesel> yes, I'll have heavy patched version ;)
<btami> siesel: commit!
<dcmwai> siesel: But it is running and I'm the labrat :)
<dcmwai> DB000:   File "/var/amtb-m.org.my/gnue/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/base/layout/ContainerElement.py", line 65, in processChildren
<dcmwai> DB000:     dest.write(child.getContent().encode(gConfig('textEncoding')))
<dcmwai> siesel: what do you see from here...
<siesel> btami: I don't like to break too much.
<siesel> ok, that's good.
<siesel> what is you textEncoding setting in gnue.conf?
<dcmwai> siesel: what should be set
<siesel> try utf-8 first.
<btami> you can't, it's broken, at least on dcmwai's box :)
<dcmwai> siesel: No still the same..
<dcmwai> anyway I've to go back .. it is 19:00 here.
<dcmwai> I'll try in my house applying all patch and then ... Give siesel an SSH account :)
<dcmwai> (lasttime the form problem was solve that way) :)
<dcmwai> by jcater :)
<siesel> good, so lets try it that way.
<dcmwai> so siesel Send me you ssh Public key and I'll make it easier.. :)
<dcmwai> siesel: Ok Night.
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<dcmwai> siesel, It is almost done..
<siesel> cool.
<dcmwai> siesel, wait something wrong with my numpad.. :(
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<dcmwai> siesel, Yep it is done..
<dcmwai> siesel, you can connect to my system using dcmwai.serveftp.org
<dcmwai> SSH is at port 22
<dcmwai> siesel, If you need to page me my ICQ is 601356, AIM ia godinheavenchan 
<siesel> ok.
<dcmwai> I'll be on the bed.. I'm really sick.. :(
Action: dcmwai get change to sleep..
<siesel> ok, hope you soon get better.
<dcmwai> hope tomorrow I'll get well.. else it will be a big problem for me.
<siesel> one second. it doesn't work.
<dcmwai> siesel, better try not...
<dcmwai> oop.
<dcmwai> I know why..
<dcmwai> waut
<dcmwai> wait
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<dcmwai> I've typo in your username .. Now try again, siesel :)
<siesel> which username should I use? jan or siesel?
<dcmwai> which one is more perferable?
<siesel> jan :)
<dcmwai> siesel, sure wait.
<dcmwai> siesel, now you can really try try with jan
<dcmwai> siesel, the gnue files is on /share/gnue
<dcmwai> the configuration is on /usr/local/gnue/etc
Action: dcmwai get change
<siesel> still won't work :(
<dcmwai> siesel, Oh that is something wrong... wait
<dcmwai> siesel, try again.
<dcmwai> Should be fine now..
<siesel> yes. it works now :)
<dcmwai> oh saw you
<dcmwai> siesel, the cvs files installed is on /usr/local/bin 
<dcmwai> alias I menat
<dcmwai> the gnue files is on /share/gnue
<dcmwai> siesel, if any progrem ..
<dcmwai> problem not progrem.. (this really meant I'm sick)
<dcmwai> ...
<siesel> ok.
<siesel> I'll try later.
<dcmwai> siesel, ok :)
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<reinhard> good morning sir james
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<chillywilly> hi siesel 
<siesel> hi chillywilly
<siesel> how are you?
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<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> just dropped scotty off at school
<chillywilly> morning jcater 
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<siesel> ajmitch: are you aroung?
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<mdupont> hi all
<mdupont> hi siesel
<mdupont> did anyone see the slashdot article on compiere?
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<siesel> hi mdupont.
<siesel> which article? Url?
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<wendall911> seisel: Compiere article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/03/127244&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=163&tid=98&tid=99
<wendall911> not very interesting
<siesel> thx.
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<mdupont> no the article is not very interesting 
<mdupont> but janke is going to get a suprise when I start taking away customers
<mdupont> or better put
<mdupont> gnu enterprise
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<siesel> mdupont: do you mean that 15 line article or something else?
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<jbailey> gnue-appserver and gnue-navigator now in unstable.
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<jbailey> reinhard: (that's specifically aimed at you, in case you only search for your name in the logs)
<siesel> Great! Great!
<dcmwai|AWAY> siesel, hi.. 
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<siesel> hi dcmwai
Action: dcmwai is back (gone 00:00:03)
<dcmwai> Nice 5 hours sleep 
<dcmwai> :)
<dcmwai> any good news siesel....
Action: dcmwai is away: I'm busy
<siesel> I couldn't try it out, as the scripts (gfcvs, etc. are set only user readable/writable)
Action: dcmwai hate this away and back message
<siesel> But it should work no.
<siesel>  /no/now/s
<dcmwai> siesel, Anything I can do to help that (how about a sudo) :)
<dcmwai> full right sudo ;)
<siesel> IMHO it should work now, as I've done some commits, and a cvs update on your computer
<dcmwai> siesel, I'm not really why it is user base I've install it as systemwide
<dcmwai> let try :)
<dcmwai> siesel, em.. after something change on the gnue-report did I need to restart the server?
<siesel> yes.
<dcmwai> Really? I think it just will pickup the update...
<dcmwai> ooh..
<siesel> Up to now the server is missing a restart function, so you have to do a killalll python2.3
<dcmwai> siesel, I know ;)
<siesel> can you do a "chmod a+rx /share/gnue/gnue-*/scripts/g*" ?
<dcmwai> done
<dcmwai> Now system is running tripwire.. hum Just finished.. :)
<dcmwai> /usr/local/gnue/etc/etc/connections.conf
<dcmwai> the configuration files is on the wrong dir
<dcmwai> hum.. where to change it
<dcmwai> /usr/local/gnue/etc/connections.conf
<dcmwai> This should be the right one
<mdupont> siesel: 
<mdupont> yes
<reinhard> jbailey: hooray
<mdupont> reinhard: i am commited now to making the next generation of applications with gnue
<mdupont> i am going to start with rewriting compiere in gnue from scratch
<mdupont> table by table
<reinhard> mdupont: seriously i don't think that makes sense
<mdupont> field by field i will rewrite the entire database and rename it
<jbailey> reinhard: Basically, just ping me when it's time for the next test releases, I'll throw them into experimental - It's easy for anyone using unstable to get those.
<mdupont> reinhard: no?
<jbailey> reinhard: Then I can toss the final releases into unstable and let them flow up.
<reinhard> jbailey: ok
<dcmwai> mdupont, So compiere will be our default/template schema?
<reinhard> mdupont: i don't think the goal of this project is to copy anything existing
<jbailey> AFAICT, we're still aiming at a December release for Debian, so any changes need to go in now-ish.
<mdupont> dcmwai: i will port the compiere into the existing gcd schemas
<dcmwai> oh
<mdupont> so really just implement the gnu gcd files manually using the compiere as a fleshy source of field definitions
<reinhard> mdupont: however i am not "this project" so i can't speak for all
<siesel> dcmwai: you have to edit : share/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/paths.py
<reinhard> jbailey: i don't really think we will have another release before sarge
<mdupont> well
<dcmwai> siesel, haha.. It is you fault.. :) you reinstall it :)
<mdupont> reinhard do you think i am going too far
<mdupont> ?
<dcmwai> siesel, nvm let me do the installationg
<siesel> reinhard: we probably need small improvements, as an init.d file etc. and a way to kill the application server
<reinhard> mdupont: i think you shoot too quick here
<siesel> but I agree, the really big changes (procedures support etc) we should be provide later
<reinhard> siesel: i agree with you here
<reinhard> siesel: however i'm not sure about the priority of these "little" improvements
<jcater> reinhard: just fyi, I agree with you wrt schemas
<siesel> IMHO: init.d script priorty 9 on a scale of 1 (high) -10 (low), but killing appserver is on 3 or 5
<jcater> it makes me nervous copying someone else's
<mdupont> reinhard: that is wise
<mdupont> but i am now commited
<mdupont> my fate depends on success
<reinhard> mdupont: it _could_ make sense to try to translate compiere's schema as a "practice" for gnue
<reinhard> or as a "proof of concept"
<reinhard> but not for "real" gnue
<reinhard> just to "try if it would work"
<reinhard> mdupont: your fate should never depend on anything that's not in your hand
<reinhard> but that's another story :)
<dcmwai> siesel, You fixing it?
<mdupont> it is in my hand
<siesel> IMHO its important to look at and learn from compiere.
<reinhard> siesel: skill -kill gnue-appserver
<dcmwai> siesel, I can now see the monthly2.grd able to get in
<reinhard> ?
<dcmwai> but the text is still unreable.
<dcmwai> I meant unicode text
<mdupont> i am going to make an ERP
<dcmwai> mdupont, GOGO :)
<mdupont> and it is going to be GPL
<siesel> dcmwai: just try to set browser encoding to utf-8
<mdupont> and it is going to work
<dcmwai> mdupont, Remember to make it paperless :-) (can make authorized within the program)
<dcmwai> siesel, Pdf... also need utf-8?
<mdupont> a micro payment micro ERP
<dcmwai> siesel, html filter still now working..
<dcmwai> and grdcvs die when running it from PHP
<dcmwai> siesel, wah.. that is killing.. Ok I'll leave you here with my PC...
<dcmwai> siesel, don't do something really funny with the root :)
<dcmwai> siesel, ok?
<siesel> dcmwai: thx, but I don't need the root.
<ajmitch> morning
<siesel> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> siesel: you asked if i were around earlier? :)
<siesel> yes. As I needed more info about dotGNU and Mono. :)
<ajmitch> ah
<siesel> I tried you dotGNU packages, but they didn't work as I expected :(
<ajmitch> oh? what broke?
<dcmwai> dotGNU?
<siesel> dcmwai: html is working now. 
<dcmwai> siesel, what is the real problem? some configuration?
<siesel> dgee isn't starting, the different pnet packages have dependency problems and can't be installed.
<ajmitch> oh, doesn't surpsie me if you're using dgee from cvs :)
<ajmitch> did you happen to grab my daily build packages?
<siesel> dcmwai: no, I commited html.py before I pressed save.
<siesel> ajmitch: yes, I confess. :)
<ajmitch> siesel: hehe, sorry :)
<dcmwai> har.. so it is borken in the cvs but not your machine.
<siesel> so I was forced to try mono. :(
<ajmitch> I have to rebuild the lot of them after pnet 0.6.0 :)
<ajmitch> bad siesel! ;)
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<dcmwai> Error processing css file: /usr/local/gnue/share/gnue/filters/SimpleTabulation/tabulator.css?
<siesel> ajmich: if you interessed, I got something working: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/py_embedmono_0.0.1.tgz 
<dcmwai> siesel, but the html is generated
<ajmitch> hmm
<ajmitch> siesel: somewhere around there's code to embed pnet in with python :)
<dcmwai> Thank siesel :)
<siesel> ajmitch: Yes, I should have asked you first. :)
<siesel> dcmwai: its strange, that just happen when using the -d option
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<jbailey> ajmitch: cdbs.  It's Good and Right.
<dcmwai> siesel, very strange ... 
<ajmitch> jbailey: heh
<ajmitch> jbailey: I'll consider it one day, perhaps :)
<jbailey> Bah!
<jbailey> The simplicity.  The fine, fine simplicity!
<siesel> dcmwai: I checked it again, and its always there. its no problem.
<siesel> dcmwai: the reason why the other styles are not working is because they use sablotron or libxslt and both is not installed on your machine.
<dcmwai> siesel, Oh .. what should be done..
<ajmitch> siesel: a start on pnet+python here: http://symonds.net/~gopalv82/code/pnet-python.tgz
<siesel> ajmitch: nothing there anymore :(
<ajmitch> hmm ok
<siesel> dcmwai: try to install the python bindings for libxslt
<ajmitch> best not for me to follow old links :)
<dcmwai> siesel, ok let do this tomorrow..
<dcmwai> siesel, is all the changes in the cvs server?
<siesel> dcmwai: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libxslt-python
<siesel> dcmwai: yes.
<dcmwai> siesel, is this changllenging :)
<dcmwai> siesel, you have found some of the problem that you never think of. :)
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<siesel> yes, and every problem is leading to better code.
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<dcmwai> Ok siesel, I need to sleep It is 05:15
<dcmwai> :)
<dcmwai> solve the rest of the problem tomorrow ...
<ajmitch> bye dcmwai
<siesel> ok, cu then.
<dcmwai> ajmitch, siesel, bye and enjoy your day. 
<dcmwai> siesel, the last problem will be the encoding.. :) YES At last
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<dcmwai> oop.. I think I'm still sick..
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<suman> hi all
<suman> is gnue suitable for building frameworks
<suman> can gnu-e be used for building frameworks?
<dtm> suman: yes sir.
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<dneighbo_> suman: i dont understand the question
<dneighbo_> GNU Enterprise *is* a framework
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<Vee> how goes it derek, dtm?
<derek> good
<derek> on gimpnet not sure how to register a nick
<Vee> gimp net doesnt have services
Action: derek has used derek there for years (i dont thtink i ever registered it) grrrr
<derek> ah
Action: Vee haunts #sodipodi, #gimp and when I find a bug you can find me in #gnumeric during the 5 minutes or less it takes jody or mort to fix it.. ;) (man them guys, rock)
<Vee> you there bugging the #gnome people to change their evil ways? :)
<derek> no 
<derek> just #gnucash people
<Vee> ahh
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<dtm> Vee: hi
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<alandd> derek: How are you?
<alandd> LuftHans: How are you?
<alandd> Everyone: How are you?
<derek> hi
Action: derek still doesnt get what evolution doesnt like about your encrypted email
<derek> trying to get thunderbird package on debian to see if it does same thing or if its sickness of evolution
<alandd> Hmm.. I forgot about that issue.
<alandd> I thought you were using tbird
<ajmitch> evolution is of the devil :)
<alandd> How about I send you some test emails.  One plain, one signed, one encrypted and one signed and encrypted?
<dtm> derek: i have the enigmail plugin for mozilla!
<dtm> derek: that is my first foray into encrypted mail.
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<dtm> derek: hey dood, you wanna put me on the g4c local chapter list?
<alandd> I have GPG with Kmail and Kgpg.  I like it so far.
<alandd> dtm: g4c?
<dtm> alandd: geeks4christ.org
<suman> dtm: what are the lang. we need to know ?
<dtm> suman: did you read the web site?  http://gnue.org
<alandd> derek: test email sent as listed.
<suman> dtm: ya i was python
<suman> dtm: ya it was python
<suman> dtm: also can u give me some starting points
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<dtm> suman: i'll refer you to the others here because i'm not a software engineer :)
<suman> dtm: we are starting on a semester proj so we need some help in that direction
<suman> dtm: ok ,who is good at that here?
<derek> alandd: evolution is on crack... thunderbird works fine
<derek> python and xml are two good things to know wrt GNU Enterprise
<alandd> tried evolution once.  to bulky for me.  went back to kmail.
<ajmitch> suman: what are you wanting to to do, specifically, for a project?
<derek> i like evolution (to a degree) 
<derek> i was using thunderbird as evolution pissed me off
<derek> but its offline mail sucked
<derek> so i went to evolution and started using its calendar and offline mail
<derek> well latest version offline mail is fscked
<derek> so going back to thunderbird i think :)
<LuftHans> offline? you can go offline? what a horrible fate.... :)
<derek> yeah... carpool :)
<derek> i did get wireless networking going thtough
<derek> so wattching broncos vs patriots as i talk :)
<dtm> Hey.  Guys.  suman is asking questions.
<dtm> suman: ajmitch is a good one :)
<LuftHans> I finally found out how to select stuff in evo last night, it's the big open field right in the middle
<LuftHans> GUIs really confuse me
<wtg> mutt doesn't have a gui LuftHans =)
<LuftHans> wtg: yeah, but mutt's worse than a GUI :)
<derek> wtg: i question if mutt has a UI at all
<derek> i think it has TI (torture interface)
<wtg> haha
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<LuftHans> order depends on what I last had to touch ;-)
<wtg> lol
<wtg> well i got nothing but <3 for mutt =P~
<ajmitch> dtm: no, I'm crazed & deranged & quite unstable, not 'a good one'
<ajmitch> mutt >> all
<derek> well i agree on all but emacs :)
<ajmitch> ok :)
<dtm> ajmitch: sorry dewd
<dtm> LuftHans: hehehe
<suman> ajmitch: sorry for delay
<suman> ajmitch: we want to develop an application framework for eduactional institutions
<suman> ajmitch: r u still there?
<ajmitch> yes I'm still here
<dtm> if he was, he'd answer :)
<ajmitch> :P
<dtm> good ol ajmitch 
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<dtm> derek wont even answer ME!
<ajmitch> poor dtm
<suman> ajmitch: so can i use gnu e for that? we were planning to use j2ee,web services,oracle and Qt
<dtm> poor poor dtm
<ajmitch> suman: I guess so
<suman> derek: ^
<dtm> man, mudvayne apparently still rules
<suman> ajmitch: but gnu e  doesn't support web services right
<ajmitch> define webservices :)
<suman> ajmitch: SOAP+XML over HTTP
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<suman> ajmitch: i think thats 2 much to learn for a sem project
<ajmitch> and j2ee/oracle/etc isn't? :)
<dtm> ajmitch: geez yeah you took the words outta my mouth!
<suman> ajmitch: also can u tell me about the userbase of gnu-e. i want the numbers?
<dtm> suman: nobody could ever know that!  it's free!  :)
<ajmitch> suman: I don't know - I'm not that involved with GNUe
<ajmitch> again, derek is the man to talk to 
<ajmitch> hush, dtm :P
<suman> ajmitch: nope, cuz we have J2EE is part of our curriculum,so we atleast know half of it
<suman> ajmitch: ok man thx for the suggestion
<suman> derek: can u respond
<derek> sorry doing work... let me read back log
<suman> ajmitch: can u ask derek to help me out
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<suman> derek: thanks for the response,catch u later
<ajmitch> ooh, you have jabber at work? :)
<dtm> he works everywhere, always
<derek> suman: it depends
<derek> im not sure what you want to do 
<derek> if you want to build database applications i think GNU Enterprise is a suitable framework
<derek> if you want to build an eLearning system or the likes... likely GNU Enterprise isnt the right tool
<derek> we do support webservices in our application server
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<derek> or even in the 2 tier client if you wanted to use python modules to do so
<suman> derek: nope we want to build database applications only
<dtm> suman: oh yeah.  lex is doing elearning.
<ajmitch> dtm: yes, lex.. i was just trying to remember who was doing stuff.. 
<derek> suman: then GNU Enterprise is suitable
<derek> what confuses me is you say...
<dtm> suman: he's replacing that Blackboard app, whatever it's called.
<derek> "we want to build a framework"
<wtg> derek are you sure you should tell people that they can get your attn by mentioning your name on irc ?
<derek> GNU Enterprise is a framework
<wtg> i mean it's a great idea ... i just wouldn't tell anyone =)
<derek> ajmitch: yes jabber at work and where i iconsult
<suman> derek: also we want to make it a full fledged project that schools and colleges esp in developing countries can use,so that people can  customise it and use it,may be sometimes as easy as changing some options
<derek> numbers...
<ajmitch> dtm: blackboard is not a nice system, it's installed at uni here :)
<derek> we have over 30 people (iirc) with assignment to FSF for GNU Enterprise (so over 30 coders)
<derek> about which 5 or 10 are fairly active
<suman> derek: true gnu-e is a framework,but what we want to build is also a framework, but it is domain specific
<derek> we have at least 2 production sites using gnu-e
<derek> and i mean using heavily actually make that 4 production sites (i forgot about 2 of jcaters businesses)
<suman> derek: ok thats cool
<derek> we have several other groups investigating
<suman> derek: also one of my doubts was if i base my framework on gnu-e will we face some problems because a very less people will use it,because at the end of the day what we want is that our application should be useful
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<suman> derek: also one of my doubts was if i base my framework on gnu-e will we face some problems because a very less people will use it as less people know abt gnu-e ,because at the end of the day what we want is that our application should be useful
<derek> i still dont get this "base my framework"
<derek> GNU Enterprise is a framework... why not just contribute to GNU Enterprise
<dtm> suman: gnue's marketing is irrelevant.  you'll always need to market your own product anyway!
<dtm> suman: the directoin you're wanting to contribute to gnue in, is its own niche
<suman> derek: ok i can,but it's mostly bussiness process oriented not oriented towards schools and coleges
<suman> dtm: i am not going to sell it, i jus want to see people using it
<dtm> suman: also irrelevant
<dtm> commercial usage or not, it's your job to market your niche
<dtm> first of all, free software probably is not the most popular cohesive enterprise framework to start with.  so any framework that bucks the trend is going to go uphill.
<suman> dtm: ok i agree with you,that's why i am asking about gnu-e,
<dtm> free software is used in the widgets and components and low level platforms, but isn't always recognizable at the top
<dtm> it's up to all of us to change that :)
<suman> dtm: maynot be for enterprises,it is good for schools
<dtm> it's good for everything.  whether people actually use it at this point in civilization is another thing.
<dtm> and if someone such as yourself breaks through into a niche, then that increases marketability
<suman> dtm: nope,it's only that the good apps are written on commercial platforms
<suman> ne way we are onn the same side,so 
<dtm> yeah :)
<suman> dtm: ya mine is a niche area,thats why i shud carefully tread the path
<dtm> suman: yeah and gnue is a pretty mature framework as far as free software goes
<dtm> in general, my understanding of the world is that every platform requires vast investment
<dtm> regardless of maturity or price
<dtm> in order to integrate it into an organization
<suman> dtm: ya thats a good point
<dtm> so basically you should jump into gnue
<suman> dtm: not so quick,i guess ,coz 
<suman> dtm: since i am writing a domain specific app it should be easy to maintain
<dtm> i mean you should have your functional specs and design specs
<dtm> and map those to gnue's capabilities
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<Vee> I was about to mention jamest's using the framework to write a game.. ;)
<Vee> jcater uses it to get chicks
<Vee> pimp
<Vee> and donuts
<Vee> but then, he's gone and I have work to do.. 
<dtm> :-.
<dtm> when i was at ksu i hadda use the Newton
<dtm> er wait, that didn't work.
<dtm> no, it was macs.  
<dtm> that's what worked.
<dtm> :-/
<Vee> using macs gets you donuts?
Action: Vee seriously reconsiders his choices in platforms.. 
<dtm> :-I
<dtm> and i lent my Newton MP100 to a buddy and he gawt chix0ringz
<dtm> they're like "hey is that a computer in your pocket?"
<nickr> naw babe
<nickr> *wink*
<Vee> heh
<Vee> yea, I can see where a mac would be more useful there.. 
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