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Nick change: alandd -> alanddZZzz wendall911 (~wendallc@198.31.172.218) left #gnuenterprise. where's the best place to find linux kernel patches? is there a single portal for optional core feature patches, like the scheduler and all that? i already have the SGI preempt. ummm http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ yay GNUPredator (mdupont@p5080EAFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. md-ZZZ (mdupont@p5080EEEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: GNUPredator -> mdupont reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: moin! i have been preparing my analysis of DCL http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/11/DCL_Patterns.pl if you are interested it is a classification of the DCL db schema not done %100 yet, but gives a framework mdupont: Hi :) hey dcmwai mdupont: So you have got your draft schema working? yes, take a look it breaks down the DCL tables into patterns and removes the duplicates i will be able to regenerate the schema from that and make it cleaner mdupont: good morning good morning reinhard i got a call from a bed and breakfast that has a house for us in KA so it is right in the city for the linuxtag oh that's cool that's much better than 45 minutes away yes, they will be sending me an offer via mail and I will forward that as well it is for 8-10 people that's perfect yup i have been looking into DCL it has some good stuf in there but needs some more structure i think you should talk to mdean if you want to hack dcl he is here from time to time yes well i dont think he will be happy with what i am doing (yet) right now i am in analysis mode taking it apart there seems to be some inconsistencies that can be resolved by treating actions as first class objects everwhere in the tables you have _on and _by those are like tracking object that could be centrally described and generated and attached to watches etc mdupont: the main thing he would be concerned about, would be whether you need to fork it, because he uses it at his employer fulltime. i hope not so i dont know whether he'd want to migrate his deployment to something new might. well, we will see this new model will be much cleaner than the old and more consistent perhaps compatibility will exist Action: dtm <3 compatibility i doubt it.... but i will be able to hook up the front end up to it later yay we will see mdean's an adventuresome guy. well, let me finish up the model maybe if you need realtime data from him, we can schedule him on irc. and generate a new schema out of it i have scheduled dcl summits before i dont recall if anyone showed up before. :) Action: reinhard is reading his mail man 20-30 spam mails per day oh excellent i always wanted to know how i can increase my penis size spam sux Action: mdupont is removing all these mailing lists again i get even more spam to my personal adresses than i get over the lists plus i am subscribed at info@gnue.org which is in fact a spam-only list hehe btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. this couldn't happen to doc-support@gnuenterprise.org which just returns something what seems to be a perl error or something. 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Nick change: wendall911_away -> wendall911 Nick change: md-work -> mdupont siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-110-61.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi Action: Vee hugs siesel ew Vee: put him down, you don't know where he's been Action: Vee pulls jamest into the hugathon EW jamest: I did some more work on triggers and trigger namespaces. seems like much functionality is broken since the GFField/GFEntry split up Action: Vee ponders if after all this he'll be able to iterate through records inside a pre-commit should be possible not sure of the impact i don't recall interating thru records working in a long, long time hi all jamest: and we have problems with recursive trigger execution, so never call setFocus in a prefocus trigger. yip :) hi mdupont hi siesel hi reinhard, jamest, mcuria anyone want to talk dcl? Action: Vee hugs mdupont Action: mdupont is not in the hugging mood hi Vee you know what happens when you hug a porcupine... accupuncture? hehe jamest: another thing, I don't use TriggerError anymore, as it would be "Trigger" specific So I named it LangIfError, like Language Interface Error. It's a bit cryptic, but ... any ideas? not really i'm not sure i follow though i thought that trigger error was the internal exception can it be raised by the triggers themselves now It could raised by the triggers itself, as it is imported into the trigger namespace, but i all other cases it would just be an error which would be raised in GTrigger and catched in GNU-Forms (f.e.) so what is raising LangIfError if an error in a trigger /procedure occurs it raises an XXX Error, which is catched by the Language Interface and replaced with a LangIfError depending on the time the error occurs its an LangIfRuntime or an LangIfCompileError which are both inheriting LangIfError, so you just have to name it in an except statement the only change to the previous situation is that I relaced Trigger with LangIf, which is kind of ugly, but I don't want to get Triggererrors for appservers procedures derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Bye Bye" jamest, jcater, or anyone who has GNUe files (gfd,grd) with triggers, if you have time please test the new trigger code :) siesel (jan@xdsl-213-168-110-61.netcologne.de) left irc: "back in 3 hours to hopefully get feedback" y'know.. while I was working on fixing the cvs server at work I seem to recall reading about something like creating an alias where one could check out 'all' and retreive multiple modules.. do we have such an alias setup? I dunno if I mentioned it here, either.. but cvsps sure makes using cvs sweet(er).. Vee: when I asked a few weeks ago the answer was "no" i think jbailey set one up he did gnue-all &gnue-common &gnue-forms &gnue-designer &gnue-reports &gnue-appserver &gnue-navigator Action: Vee hugs jbailey *blink* Action: jbailey melts. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "People will believe your argument much better if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it." doco (~Dormir@ASt-Lambert-111-1-2-88.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. hi. I am interested in the gnuenterprise but don't know much about it. seems to be a sleeping project. it's very much awake Action: jcater yawns another point release was just made what.. last week? so the web site doesn't reflect it activity.. Action: Vee hugs jcater doco: just very complex, so development appears to be slow right well.. that's somewhat asleep I guess... jbailey: thanks for the CVS alias ok. is anyone of you using it in the real life? i mean as an ERP tool? is that in the faq somewhere? it's generally the first thing anyone with interest asks.. man.. we need a bot with access to such things.. dont understand want doco: yes/no.. focus has been on making the tools nice and stable upto this point.. That said, the tools are getting to more mature all the time and are pretty useful right now. Several people here have or are using them in a 2 tier setup for various things.. doco: the application server guys have been on fire the past several months and are making a lot of progress there, too.. thanks. It's seems that the development team is focused on the tool and that the so called 'packages' are less develpped am i right? for now, yes.. that may soon change with recent activities by the appication server guys, however.. LuftHans: My pleasure. I use it for my stuff. =) :) you will have to get used to our understanding of "soon" ;) thanks for your informations. After these few words I am still interested. I'll be back ... soon. for more informations. excuses me i am new also to irc. bye doco (~Dormir@ASt-Lambert-111-1-2-88.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left #gnuenterprise. Nick change: mdupont -> md-afk christoph (~christoph@200.207.127.10) left #gnuenterprise. christoph (~christoph@200.207.127.10) joined #gnuenterprise. Neat. gnue's mean time between commits is 7.1h. =) jcater's last commit looks weird on the list Vee: it was a branch err, in a branch Action: jcater has a lot more derek (~dneighbo@209.234.155.2) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: Vee hugs derek Derek! sup sup jbailey derek: Do I need to think abotu dcl and Debian anytime soon? And better yet, how's the forms rewrite? =) forms rewrite? rewriting dcl in gnue-forms (etc) instead of php. jbailey: i htink we are behind on releases so we should think about a dcl one also we need a way to handle userspace / virtual host installs (i think) dont know if debian has a good way to do this with web apps or not ls clear ls derek: Okay. Users can handle their own installs for now. oops Action: LuftHans points derek at the other window. The likelyhood of getting that all right before Sarge releases is too slim. jbailey: cool by me And Debian sucks for virtual hosts under current policy. also forms rewrite has stopped for now (just too busy) The new apache policy is supposed to help solve that. hello derek hi what have you been busying? dcmwai: life haha :) everybody is :) life... What a wounderful answer... mcuria (~maxy@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Action: md-afk has reviewed compiere what a ton of festering shit that bad huh maybe this is the reason why it requires oracle. md-afk: is that your professional opinion? :) no ton of shit is his professional opinion festering is his personal opinion ;) Compiere is a whole boatload of shit can we get sworn statements as to such their website is a sworn statement to how bad it is phil (~phil@pD9552144.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dcmwai will try to upgrade to fedora... wich me luck... if I'm not back after 24 hours... consider I'm.... :( dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.214.167) left irc: "BYE BYE" a fool for not using debian? 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Action: dcmwai is back with fedora 1... dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.59.147) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.59.147) joined #gnuenterprise. oh. in portuguese, fedora is just the female form of bad smell. :-o christoph: i wonder what it's intended to mean christoph, Really... well, probably they thought more of english than portuguese haha that is a very bad idea with such a name :) From WordNet: felt hat with a creased crown christoph: 'fedora' isn't an english word christoph: ahhhhh nice. dtm, then what languages was it take from? according to wordnet, it is. dcmwai: no idea, ask christoph christoph: oh really? weird. portuguese, how can you doubt it! well, it wasn't original English :) probably a french root. musta been adopted from elsewhere. ah, no, it might come from felt (filz in german) jjsp (juanjo@dynamic-195-105.dialup.chalmers.se) left irc: "Client exiting" there's also a city in south dakota called Fedora. RogerM (~me@adsl-67-65-35-34.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. R45 (~r45@cuscon2196.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Nick collision from services. Nick change: \t -> R45 !list RogerM (~me@adsl-67-65-35-34.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit haha christoph, oh... Fedora.. don't really know what name is this. Well, as far as I could find out, there are just three choices. Oh From the dictronary it meant another kind of "Hat" :) Yes. our a citiy in south dakota. [fiÊdourÙ] given that Red Hat is controlling this wanna-be-debian, most probably, that was the intension. derek (~dneighbo@209.234.155.2) left irc: "Bye Bye" but I just enjoy names that are funny in other languages. that car Pajero, in spain, for instances denotes a masturbating person. haha :) BTW. only tourists have this car in spain, as the spanish version has a different name I don't recall anymore. Ah haha I see Next time if you are looking for a name.. you better ask for each and everybody who ever know that name :) just imagine what chinese people often might think of our `normal' names. normal name? well, the names we use for common things or products might sound like something funny in a ethimologically not related language. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" well.. As Chinese don't "Sound/Write" English.. :) it don't have muchfunny stuff. just learn chinese. R45 (~r45@cuscon1890.tstt.net.tt) left irc: "<3 for FF8Jake" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.59.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection gsoti (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-175-177.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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