Action: dtm imagines speeding through a volcanic ocean deep inside a remote moon, weaving between thousands of colonies of huge monolithic cubes http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/backgrounds/blender/CubeFractalRed-To-Blue-5.jpg http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/cubes/cube-fractal-test8-yaf.jpg Nick change: SachaAway -> SachaS Hey! I got this to run in ssh on the iPAQ: ~ $ ~/bin/gnue-forms -u gtk2 /home/alandd/ramdisk/gnue/share/doc/gnue-forms/examples/simple/form.gfd This GNUe tool requires mxDateTime to be installed You can find the mxDateTime at http://www.lemburg.com/files/python/mxDateTime.html ~ $ That's something, anyway! alandd: you installed gnue directly on your ipaq? um, yea. that's the point. oh ok i totally missed that part! i didn't know if you were just loading the files off it :) I'll worry about getting the paths right some other day. and mxDateTime too. I also was executing this from the ssh command line so I don't know where any of the gui stuff would have displayed. but, I am getting somewhere. alandd: this will sound silly but could be interesting what if you installed GNU Enterprise on your workstation then used ssh and forwarded X applications and ran GNU Enterprise off your workstation but displayed out put on the iPAQ or VNC as that could be an interesting route Action: dtm gives derek a cookie almost LTSP for iPAQ GNUe apps That is a good option do you want me to do that instead of running gnue in the ipaq? I feel I ahve real progress here tonight. ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@wlg1-port32.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. mcuria-away (~user@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) got netsplit. havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-107-254.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. LuftHans (~lufthans@wsip-68-107-221-207.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. 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Nick change: alandd -> alanddZZzz yeah alanddZZzz: take care alanddZZzz: tell her I said it was my fault. alanddZZzz: i kept you on irc all night. alanddZZzz: i got her back, bruh Nick change: ajmitch_ -> ajmitch thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) got netsplit. thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) got lost in the net-split. thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. md-bb2200CET (mdupont@p5080E3DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. md-bb2200CET (mdupont@p5080ECA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. mcuria-away (~user@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) mcuria-away (~user@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: mcuria-away -> mcuria Nick change: mcuria -> mcuria-away rerwer (AmoCissaa@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: gsoti_away -> gsoti lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) hello SachaS Nick change: gsoti -> gsoti_away gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-23-176-74.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.57) joined #gnuenterprise. mdupont (IRCm@62.80.57.125) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all hello mdupont how is your work on the schema? is it still Hard? hey dcmwai it is coming along you can see it here : so it is comming along :) You rewrite the whole database schema? yes you want to try? do you have perl? mdupont, I love to but no time yet.. ;) I do have everything :) well, lets put it this way i am redoing the entire DCL db model woo with a new cleaner schema and it will be able to handle the entire business That will be Great . ;) not just trouble tickets but a flexible contact and business object database Action: dcmwai is reading some book about ERP and guess that aria db need a new home :) mdupont, what are there? typo do you meant to be more flexible :) aria is going to be borged as well borged? assimilated reverse engineered i have gotten the aria on my hit list mdupont, oh that will be better :) Action: dcmwai now see a ease on upgrade :) dcmwai: what book on ERP are you reading? SachaS, It is written in Chinese :) from taiwan lol ok not for me then ;) ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS, But it is nice.. Telling that if you are ready for ERP and how well does it work What happen may ERP don't work and what to put in. dcmwai i have been working on a new class model that includes the foundation of ERP mdupont on what do you build your schema? based on experience in erp ? i build my model based on thought and experience mdupont, ERP Hard because of no Standart ... people just build what they want :( SachaS, that is what most people do .. :) have been working ok a synthesis of all these different erp programs http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/schemas/ that is the input mdupont, did the new schema have Rutine Control? to control the flow of the system? yes it will have a fulll event system for every action in the system you know all these pairs of ok changedon changedby mdupont, Woo Nice :) mdupont, how about message system? using external imap or it have it own? the messaging system will support XMLRPC SOAP WOo :) jabber transports i plan on making the entire backend XMLRPC enabled so you can just use it without any other interface last things ... you know about ldap? yes ldap is on the list as well but i dont know it well i think that it is not my first choice I've ldap on the vendor list and I have 2db on it.. yes one db (mysql) for aria and one db in ldap for online address book.. i have seen an slapd postgres database backend It is Killing me :( that looks interesting mdupont, It is not.. no? I'll prefer an Native support over ldap ... When in the DB it have the DN of that "contact" on the ldap :) that will be better. postgresql Backend ldap is Hard... dcmwai: what's hard about it? i haven't done it. You will have to setup your postgreSQL to have the same schema as your objectclass dcmwai well ldap is nice maybe I can make a backend for it so ldap uses my server as the repository that would be the best So.. you know if you need to use cn, sn, o c, address you have to have that DB schema in PoetgreSQl.. it is not created for you. :( where the ldap server does not store anything itself mdupont, ? ldap uses my server as the repository ??? yes the idea is to make slapd ldap --> Postgresql contactdb use my application server as the storage I don't think so and the speed will be slow.. yes? it can cache and store a local copy somemore.. it will break something.. with updates coming from events on the db slapd has a postgres backedn anyway, ldap is not high on my list just this minute because people all put something strange in the ldap schema (objectclass) so it is not the same Db schema dcmwai, but my db model can handle new attribtues and new fields it is somewhat dynamic with a freezing functionality mdupont, I know but reating them one by one using DB is just Hard :) ok dcmwai do you use ldap? mdupont, I do. mdupont: is it possible to get the schemas of a commercial ERP product? guess thats a silly question :) SachaS, No it is copyrighted :( SachaS it is possible but first i have over 30 open source ones to review i see mdupont, I do try to use my postgreSQL as backend but once I read that I need to have one colum for every attribue I have then I stop :) ok maybe they update with time ... but I still have to read them again :) what do you use ldap for? i need to read up on it but for my purposes, ldap is not #1 priority when my server is running i can work on a ldap gateway mdupont: do you have a sheet with the urls of each open source project? yes http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/10/schemas/ that is the start i have event more mdupont is a busy little bee. yes i am pretty busy :] yes mmmyeeesss... but if you want to tell me exactly what you need for ldap ldap is the shizzle and if you can setup the slapd backend and give me a test account i will try and make an integration mdupont, I use my ldap server for online centtrial control Addressbook/Contact ok good night Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZzz mdupont, I'm getting the paper now. ok great an online central address book is good ! mdupont, my ldap addressbook basically server all people to check an address query, Email auto complete (mozilla) and also some up2date information Which is needed by not use always aria has the biggest schema (in k sizes ;) SachaZzz, Yes the USA zipcode is 90% of them :) mdupont, http://www.openldap.org/devel/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/servers/slapd/back-sql/docs/concept?rev=1.3&hideattic=1&sortbydate=0 ;) haha ok night ha.. how about this :) http://www.openldap.org/devel/cvsweb.cgi//servers/slapd/back-sql/docs/?hideattic=1&sortbydate=0 Action: mdupont looks dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. so dcmwai i have seen the stuff this backend lets talk about this in 3-4 months when i have my server running sweet mdupont, Sure .. :) ok :) if you want to setup a slapd backend in the mean time and give me a copy of your sql schema i will look into this more well I don't use Sql ... for ldap becuase of the schema.. :( well what is your ldap schema can you show me that? db db? oh you want the schema.. hum I'll send you a copy of my whold ldaps.conf and schema Action: dcmwai wounder is this schema are the one you want... :) ok let me see your ldap schema can you add any attributes you want into ldap? dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.57) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) janiS (IRCm@du-017-240.access.de.clara.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: janiS -> jmdupont dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.210.121) joined #gnuenterprise. mdupont (IRCm@62.80.57.125) left irc: No route to host Nick change: jmdupont -> mdupont jmdupont (IRCm@213.221.78.159) joined #gnuenterprise. Your ERP factoid du jour: Nabisco hire temps to rewrite their sales predictions after the fact. The predictions always match up with the outcomes. My own assumption would be that any worthwhile prediction system would be heuristic and automatically adptive. This would mean it would take past errors into account. If you fix the system so that it has no past errors, it seems to me, you have established the otimum strategy for maximising future errors. adaptive. optimum. Fixing past errors, as I have been paid to do. dinozope (~dino@202.155.130.68) joined #gnuenterprise. mdupont (IRCm@du-017-240.access.de.clara.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) Nick change: jmdupont -> mdupont mdupont (IRCm@213.221.78.159) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jmdupont (IRCm@213.221.78.176) joined #gnuenterprise. mcuria-away (~user@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) mcuria-away (~user@29-185-89-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: mcuria-away -> mcuria alanddZZzz (~alandd@h-66-167-43-179.PHNDAZ91.dynamic.covad.net) left irc: "Leaving" dinozope (~dino@202.155.130.68) left #gnuenterprise. Nick change: mcuria -> mcuria-away dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.210.121) left irc: "Client exiting" Nick change: jmdupont -> md-dinner jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-96.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. md-dinner (IRCm@213.221.78.176) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. So my thought for accounting systems is that they ought to have an audit trail built-in. So that if somebody tries to fiddle it -- or has to fix something that went awry -- the effort to make the changes remains clearly on record. NB, Fred Frog is currently known as rerwer, thanks to this formerly Portugese speaking machine. Today it speaks Korean, btw. Enron-proof. Not sure. How did Enron get caught? The point about Andersen is they probably were the best in the business. They weren't trying to evade the law. They were going to very great lengths to help Enron comply with the law. As far as accounting systems and ERP set-ps is concerned, my point is just I'd like to see them keep complete -- right down to the keystroke -- records of what goes on. Lots of stuff in accounting goes wrong -- but when the mistake is honest and the correction well-meaning, the audit is easy if the records are complete, and preferably clear. dtm Or did you mean Korean was Enron-proof? :) mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "÷ÙÛÅÌ ÉÚ XChat" jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) got netsplit. 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Nick change: mcuria-away -> mcuria Nick change: mcuria -> mcuria-away reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't believe in miracles -- rely on them." ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest Are you the Toronto one? for the pythonly inclined: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/031029.html that server is responding really, really slowly for me :( I just timed out trying your Stanford URL. But other stuff seems to be OK. 12[1LuftHans12]11 second try, timed out. OK, it came through now. My feeling about Python is rather different from Guido's. I agree with him that it's nice glue, and more fun, i.e. less gnarly than Perl. But the disagreement comes on how you class it as a full-bore language, against C or Java or whatever. I think Python is as clean as C, but has more *vitz*; it's better for looking a couple of layers deeper into structures with. 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