btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. good morning reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-104.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-104.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116360 Action: btami likes the high rated firebird :) Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog6@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Hoderr all. The frog may have vanquished the Brazilians. hi FF Hi btami. Vie gehts? Fred_Frog: sorry, i'm speaking hungarian and a bit english :) Hmmm. Frog speaks Japanese -- but is skeptical about the theory that Japanese and Hungarian are similar. hmm. the closest to hungarian is finnish language our roots are finnugor from middle of asia Genki desu ka? but is was a bit earlier :) what language you speak here ? Yeah, all those folks riding around on horses. Genki desu ka? English mostly. Some python. ok great Action: btami is more relaxed now :) thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Connection timed out thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. "After some comments a week or so ago about Stallman not being a good public speaker, I decided to listen to his speeches and hear for myself. I admit that I too have had a sort of "get over yourself" attitude about him - but I'm realizing as I listen to what he has to say, that I developed this by listening to others who have that attitude, rather than listening to RMS." -- slashdot I read the biography about him and his crusade - I agree to many things and to some of the philosophy - but not all of it, and not to the extent where I am a true member of the church of Emacs :) Stoke: :) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Connection timed out Nick change: thierry_ -> thierry[w] go RMS! ;P LuftHans commented the other day that Novell seemed to be an evil-free zone these days. Slashdot has an article about them today. Let's see if this will paste: Discuss this story at: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=03/11/19/1528237 Links: 0. http://www.go-mono.com/mono-roadmap.html 1. http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03072.html hehe 12[1chillywilly12]11 agreed on RMS. :-o Action: chillywilly turns into a charging, snorting GNU Action: chillywilly skewers all RMS bashers P-:E Frog asks whether chillywilly missed his soothing morning snack from the Dalai Lama... yeah except he accidentally got it from the Dolly Llama :/ jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: ahoy cap'n Action: dtm updates glibc, fileutils, and pgsql 25 ppl dead in Turkey from a bombing What news at pgsql? ?!? :( GWB looks like he wants to cry on TV Fred_Frog: i dont know. just redhat8 updates, is all i know. chillywilly: really?! afaict, yes need shower chillywilly: from what? a bombing in Turkey some US troops are dead I think Browsig the Turkish press yesterday: the "Islamist" government have done a first class job on stomping the terrorists -- and the local Christians and Moslems have rallied round the idea that a strike at Turkish Jews is a strike at the Turkish way of life. maybe he started growing a microscopic stub of a conscience, not unlike an encephalitis victim's brain stem starting to unshrink after so many bloated and comatose years Today's outrage is aimed at Brits, not US troops, afaik, well...I didn't catch it all brb i read a magazine last night, something like Businessweek or Time or something, where the cover story was on how Dick Cheney fell for bad intelligence and pushed it to the President regarding the entire Iraq debacle and i read earlier that for the first time ever, the administration is allegedly and briefly considering alternate points of view hello but you know how disingenuous and unapolagetic that is. jamest: how are you sir plausable deniability "It's not about finishing what dad started! It's about WMD!" :/ "Um, no WMD? Really? Who'da thunk it? Hmmmmmm. Must have been Bob from Accounting that gave us the bad intell" can you imagine that GWB heard about much else other than GB, Sr.'s war? dtm You forget Shrub visiting Beijing while Dad was local US Ambassador -- spending the entire time drunk and chasing the local oadside chickens. Oh. [08:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). Noted. Obviously a young mad with a broad knolwledge of international affairs. a mad lad with a bad dad Wonder what the youngster learned from the old man being head of the CIA... blew the crap outta Baghdad as a fad if i hadn't skipped ahead and already read the end of the book (Revelations), i'd be expecting GWB to shortly declare himself to *be* God Revelation. No s. eh? say again. you were garble. No S on the end of Book of Revelation. oh. yeah. i am now doubly enlightened thanks to one lone frog "Revelations" is one of those illiteracies. sorta like using "oxymoron" to mean contradiction. :-I or any other form of misspelling, typographical error, or mistake. you blew the lid off that one, buddy! I dunno. Waddya got against tpyoes? making the world safe for literacy, against weapons of mass confabulation. And the sanity clause is gonna come down the chimney any day now... mran, there's a great article on the SCO scam at http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/19/1548242&mode=thread&tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 wondrous. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: dcmwai|AWAY is back (gone 10:20:32) Nick change: dcmwai|AWAY -> dcmwai dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. MrKennie (Beer@mrkennie.developer.freenode) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) brianroberg (~chatzilla@dsl142.ceinetworks.com) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/34035.html Yeah weird. But it allows at&t to use spammers for patent infrigemnt. Seems OK to me. Gilmore's objection that spammers won't obey the law seems silly to me: nobody is proposing to give them a choice. s/use/sue/ overseas spammers don't have to follow US law Hrmm. It's still kinda neat. Spammers everywhere have to follow loacal civil law and one assumes ATT has fairly long arms. Antigua, for instance, is probably covered by civil copyright law. If they get any spam past their blockers, they have a legal right to sue them. i hope it works out that way Action: jamest is fairly distrustful of large corps intentions Back on SCO for a moment: anybody interested in history should see the first time this was tried, by AT&T against Berkeley back in 1991. Papers are at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/bsdi/bsdisuit.html 12[1jamest12]11 ATT is losing a pile of money on spam -- or atleast stand to gain from cutting its volume. You can always trust large corps when they are after their own buck. could somebody use the incompetency of the US Patent & Trademark Office against itself, by patenting something they fundamentally do? but throw in some obscure implementational or operational detail, like how it queries a database or whatever Wey-yull, Frog was thinking of taking out a patent on "the patenting of business models" a few weeks ago -- but thought that even the US Patent Office might be able to trip over the prior art. Fred_Frog: maybe not if you sufficiently obfuscated the wording :) On the other hand it might be that patenting business models n the US does not constitute any more than local application of a general notion -- and is therefore not prior art of the general idea of patenting business models... Frog proposes this as the model for one of Frog's businesses, you understand... Invoices will be sent. Frog has a note in the mail to Darl McBride, proposing that they share invoice lists. yeah. okay. we'll do that. Frog's idea is that if you own a business you are violating any patent that mentions a business. We expect SCO's backers to rush in with financing for the prosecution of this idea. a sound investment thenkyoo thenkyoo layzun gennulmen. Keep those cardzan letters coming. h0h0h0 Action: dtm hoists Fred_Frog up high on shoulders, hip hip hooray!! Reading SCO stuff at the same time. Wonderful photo of Bernie Greenberg (one who left messages Richard Feynman style, inside people's password-protected safe places) at http://www.multicians.org/hodie-natus-est.html Who knew "multicians" existed? Action: dtm raises hand Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog6@199.243.96.248) left irc: " »¡« Scøøp Script 2003 »!« pegue o seu em www.scoop.com.br" Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog6@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog6@199.243.96.248) left irc: Client Quit lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Hoderr: Return of the Forg! Sorry, jamest & dtm, some sorta foulup here. Reinstalled mIRC. No more Portugese until at least tomorrow... Action: dtm salutes :-o Forg: a frog that has been Borged, I guess. dtm, for somebody hoising a frog on his shoulders, you're pretty dam free with you raising of hands, waving, and otherwise making your passenger nervous... :/ Action: dtm issues Fred_Frog a refund Just keep that damn scorpion at Bay. For Jasmes T, that's King and Bay, where most of the socrpions live. ioc [11:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). James. we have scorpions here in kansas and jamest lives not too far from the Konza Prairie where you just might find some They're even worse than the damn scropions, I bet. Yeah, you guys don't have a King and Bay, do you. You've got State and Main. yeah. i have no idea. i used to live by the San Francisco bay There's an old saying "I'll shake your hand at State and Main," which is supposed to come from kansas City. On the other hand isn't Kansas City in Texas or someplace? :-I I always assumed it involved some othe part of the anatomy than the hand. It's in Kansas. :) o>O dyaaaah. Kansas City is both in Kansas and Missouri ***at the same time*** also, Manhattan, jamest's town of residence and the Little Apple, is in two counties concurrently beat that! dtm: How so? Oh. counties. I read countries I'm a little surprised there seems to be no Kansas City in either Oklahoma or Texas. I'm assuming the Kansas are the folks who originally owned all that real estate, before the Spanish took it away and then deeded it to Aaron Burr.... dsmith: heee dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.63.80) left irc: "Client exiting" I was assuming jamest was in Toronto. Is this wrong? Fred_Frog: okay. i dont suppose there's any *reason* why you've assumed all this, is there? :) lawlz Fred_Frog: no he's still in Manhattan, KS ask me again and i'll tell you the same ;) jamest: you just stay put, mister Fred_Frog: i'd assume that before the Spanish came, there was no concept of real estate Just guessing. Just finished reading Annie Proulx's Texas novel, and somehow thought there had been a Kansas City in it. they called it something like "the earth" or "the world" or "nature" or "great spirit" or something like that. the Kansa did, i'm assuming You're sure that "great spirit" isn't the aboriginal word for tobacco smoke? Action: dtm boggle i'll hafta get back to you on that one, froggy! Action: dtm pats Fred_Frog on the head i know it ain't easy bein' green, bruh. also green is my favorite color. Frog is somewhat sceptical of the popular white notion that Indians didn't have an acut sense of property rights. "popular white"?!?!? Fro knows nothing about the subject of "Indians" and property rights, but has an acute set of antennae for the way ideologies propagate. hehehe so noted Betcha that as soon as they had horses they knew who owned which one. doubtless not in the same terms and intensity of ownership of course i mean, not for all tribes. The thing about land or real estate, is that you can't pick it up and take it with you. that's a thing, alright dsmith dtm How does that make it more or less "real" Seems to me you can move away from it in a way that is more difficult than for say a horse. The horse can be with you emotionally for long after you've forgotten a particular bit of land. that's not a very logically reasonable statement :) particularly depending on the culture or mindset So property in a horse is a much more "real" thing than property rights associated with something evanescent like land. I was just saying that I can understand how owning a "thing" can be seen as different than owning "land". Had a guy telling me the other night that "God's Law" is "written in stone," and also fixed and unchangeable. I dunno anything about god's Law, but am perfectly willing to let the guy have his view of things. What puzzles me is that he was strenuously unable to see my point that his view of what God had written in stone was utterly dependent upon his own fallibility. :-I The guy's, that is, not his God's. Stone, I Frog notes, washes away with remarkable speed. Frog has seen two f Cleopatra's needles, the one in Place de la Concorde, and the one on fifth Avenue. In both cases the writing survived from the Nth Dynasty until Napoleon, and then largely vanished on the windward sides in about 150 years flat. Frog does not know whether God did that particular bit of writing i stone, though Frog assumes that the Egyptian priests at the time might have spread the word to that effect... lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Nick collision from services. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Nick collision from services. Frog is off for lunch. ttfn Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) left irc: Nick change: thierry[w] -> thierry[away] mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. doco (~Dormir@ASt-Lambert-111-1-2-118.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. brianroberg (~chatzilla@dsl142.ceinetworks.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030701]" sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest, jcater: Some guy posted a bug on one of my packages Debian Packaging. Are you planning a new round of releases soon? If you are, then I'll hold off fixing it until the new versions. i don't think you'll see a release soon unless it's from the appserver dudes Action: reinhard laughs i didn't even *touch* appserver since the last release no I wouldn't count on it soon the last release was so we could make some nasty changes in cvs which are happening :) Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Return of the mighty Frog! Let progress resume in the land of GNU! ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" the Frog is acknowledged by the GNUe denizens and fellow GNUish constituency progress? what's that? haha i see nothing amusing here. stuffit ;P oh hi there chillywilly bye hi bye doco (~Dormir@ASt-Lambert-111-1-2-118.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client exiting" mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-214.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi all ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-214.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody." Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. The room is illuminated by the Aura of the illustrious Frog! Action: jcater covers his eyes from the bright aura Hoderr jcater. Zup? nothing much I'm mainly waiting for the library to cough up a couple of Suse Linux manuals that have been "in transit" for dze and days ow. Instead they have a 1996 Krugman book and a three year old review of NAFTA for me. So I don't have a CVS running yet. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. Hoderr mouns. hi Fred_Frog Off to the library to pick up not-the-books-I-want. ttfn. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) left irc: jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "See Ya.." jbailey (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) left irc: "Client exiting" chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.173.34) joined #gnuenterprise. mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection http://www.grouphug.us/ haha i lived next door to a deaf kid when i was 14. every saturday at like 7 in the morning, he'd go in his backyard and beat on a metal pole with a basball bat. after 2 months i had had enough, so i jumped the fence and kicked his ass. damn chillywilly. Action: Vee hugs chillywilly ;) hehe i once killed a bunny w/ my bb gun. i shot it in the leg and didnt want it to suffer; so i had to unlode in to its head. i felt awful the next day i went to check it out. thar was just beer cans and some fur. i convinced my self some cioteys got drunk and ate it; that made me feel better. --- Fri Nov 21 2003