... Vee Guys, I'm outta here. FYI, Fred Frog is David Lloyd-Jones. My view is that GNUe is a disaster and is harmful to the free software movement. I request that you all shut up and stop using "GNU" as prt of your repetoire. I think that some of uou are bright, but I have seen not a whisper of judgement among the bunch of you. ? Fred_Frog: if you want a meaningful response from anyone here, please ask a relevant (and constructive) question. I'll see some of you in other channels, and look forward to it. Best to you all. "Fred Frog" David Lloyd-Jones. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) left #gnuenterprise. rofl thank god he's gone hehe what a pompous prick it was entertaining for a time, but got boring fairly soon one word, "dork" that is not the word I'd use hard to believe that someone can come in & say that the project should stop, because he says so no kidding he's worse than derek way worse Action: jcater shudders heh :) Action: jcater feels really dirty for even responding to that troll you're supposed to be in bed jcater ;) morbid curiosity yeah, I couldn't be bothered talking with him best just to ignore trolls & wait for them to go away, unless they're too disruptive you should set a ban on his IP ;P oooooo Action: Vee hoses jcater off and plays the "It never happened" side of the subconcious reprogramming tape vol 3. heheh #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jcater' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. better yet.. Action: Vee hoses the channel down thanks hmm how do I ban? very carefully ;) ooooo hey chillywilly op me! op me! :) you remember that eggdrop script I had that troutslapped you yea whenever you logged in? lol Action: jcater should change it so when he logs it in it says "go away troll" Action: ajmitch looks to see what the current gnue version in sid is or something hmm, what's the current release of the various components again? 0.5.2 iirc? ok sid only has 0.5.0 Action: ajmitch looks around for jbailey sid should be current /mode +b nick!*@*.domain.net something like that Vee: only if jeff hasn't been lazy :) chillywilly: put the channel name in there somewhere oh eya doh Version: 0.5.2-1 ah no gnue-common apt-cache show lied to me! Action: ajmitch resizes terminal :) yea, you're essentially stting a chanel mod e Action: Vee hugs ajmitch setting thanks Vee I feel so affirmed in my okayness now! :) :) ok, I'm really gone again if he comes back gang bang him or something l8r HEH night dude hostmaster (~hostmaste@203.99.139.251) joined #gnuenterprise. hello hi I need help in installing gnue-forms ok getting segmentation fault when I run setup on what platform? Action: ajmitch assumes that python is segfaulting somehow linux RH 9, but no longer vanilla trace it when during importation of gtk Action: ajmitch doesn't know much about the installations system you may be able to disable the importing of that somehow.. pity that jcater went to sleep :) ... ajmitch: did we have something like that before? I suppose you have python gtk paqckages installed dcmwai: no idea as I said, I don't know the install system at all :) copy that part of the program and run it - it works fine nor have I been following changes to GNUe over the last few months Action: ajmitch is merely a user who has dabbled in GNUe from time to time :) haha :) Then I guess ajmitch is only an irc user. but when run together with the whole setup.py program it crashes dcmwai: so true.. OK, commented that import statement and run the setup again looks like the installation was successful great it's very odd that importing pygtk would cause a segfault or even importing pygtk along with other libs Action: ajmitch wonders if there are some baly made packages on your system.. s/baly/badly/ outside of the setup program, importing pygtk or gtk works fine in my machine yeah, but importing wxpython & gtk at the same time may crash it due to conflicts in libraries OK, let me try that YOU ARE RIGHT hmm a worry this is my version of wxPython - wxPythonGTK-py2.2-2.4.2.4-1.src.rpm >>> from wxPython import wx >>> import pygtk >>> I can import both of them fine.. Action: ajmitch is using debian, however >>> from wxPython import wx >>> import pygtk (this is OK) >>> import gtk (Segmentation fault) Action: ajmitch can import gtk what version do you have hostmaster ? rh 8 is purty old chillywilly: my version of OS? Action: ajmitch sees RH9 its RH9 but not vanilla - quite a number of upgrade already mostly from fedora gtk ok can one fully upghrade to fedora? (just curious) upgrade even no, just some of the packages figures pygtk2 is 1.99 , gtk2 is 2.2.4-5 ok hmmm Action: ajmitch wonders if 2 different versions of libpng are being loaded (for example) just run gnue-designer, looks OK Source: python-gtk2 Version: 2.0.0-2 Source: gtk+2.0 Version: 2.2.4-2 I have debian here laaag? mutha fucka hmm, so I didn't disconnect ;P lag-o-meter was going up there WOW, a big change in the gnue-designer since 0.4(?). yeah, it has changed a bit let me play with this for a while and let me see if I can find what is causing the problem thank you chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hostmaster (~hostmaste@203.99.139.251) left irc: "Client Exiting" chillywilly (danielb@CPE-24-167-193-166.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. doh cable modem was unplugged ;P mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.163.220) left irc: Remote closed the connection Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Arriveth the Frog, on a chariot of fire which can heat the Charles River to tepidity... joro (~joro@cable-81-161-211-250.mnet.bg) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-103.wasp.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: "night all" thierry_ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-193.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. The scourging vicious Frog awakes with its daily cry "Where's the beef?" "Show me th coe" crieth the noxious Frog. ccode, that is. Goddamn Frog can't type. !!!!!! Hoder dtm. the Frog is anxiously greeted by the free software addled minds of his peers Seen any enterprise GNU around here yet? i'm scared to look. just got up. partially unable to differentiate up from down at this time Action: dtm gets up, gets up, and gets down Frog agrees with dtm's POV. Is aided in this by having once had a daughter ive in Australiaa a daughter ive, huh? or New Zealand was it? You thought time zones were bad enough, and then Santa Claus cam at you over the wires, complaining about the lack of snow... :-I What a world! or, What? A world?! Waterworld! winter whirled Don't move: I've got you surrounded. Action: dtm whirls in place Goddam humans: first time they try to shove an actual "thing" through a double slit, they choose buckyballs. There's yer whirlds fer ya. :-I But, uh. Well, I. You see... And, uh. Alright. Not Everett, but the othe r guy, turned 90 this week. Many worlds theory has an other guy, natch. He's in Louisiana, which is close enough to New Zealand for most people's taste. When does GNUe intend to put out some enterprise GNU, Frog remembers to enquire beligerently. Bellus, b'lm blah. Freog guesses that must have been belligerently. Frog has stuck it to the great coder Dan (chillywilly) last night, and is on the hunt for other unproductive code kings to insult and prod into productivity. Fred_Frog can you code? oh yeah england won the world champion ship in rugby. australia is second is Fred_Frog not satisfied with the level of enterprise produced by the gnue? i find gnue to be quite enterprising in its outputs, endeavors, and ways ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Frog points out to Sasha that it is not relevant whether or not Frog can code: the question is, has the GNUe effort produced anything useful to the world? Or is GNUe a blot on the reputation of GNU? dtm, this whole gang is charming, but they haven't produced a bit of code ussed by business anywhere. used. The entire documentation of GNUe is self-satire: next to vapor-ware in the dictionary, there is a picture of GNUe. Action: SachaS thinks Fred_Frog might be good in accounting Saccccha is clearly in contact with reality on one point. Next? bully (~Eddy@pD9EBA4BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #gnuenterprise. Sacha. Sorry. Dunno what got stuck there. Hoderr, bully. Hi Frog is busy bullying Sasccha and dtm over GNUe's inability to produce any GNUe. dtm do you seen mdupont last time ? siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-211-159.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi siesel hi bully, hi all Hoderr Jan. You're coming in at the end of an alnight Frog rant: I think all you guys are great, but I think that GNUe is ablot on the name of GNU: you haven't produced squat. There is no enterprise GNU. The documentation is self-sairical, vaporware in the extreme. This whole thing is a Muffin's Office, a fraud. Pass it on to the rest of the gang who missed the more detailed rant earlier. Frog speaks for a wider universe: suggested steps: withdraw all the documents full of TODO, TO TO. Fred_Frog saru, please learn to read our real docu, i.e. python. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.213.69) joined #gnuenterprise. Replace it all with a single page: "TODO: an accounting system under the GNU license." Python works. Nothing under GNUe works. Under Python anybody can say Hello world. Nothing under GNUe can produce a debit and a credit that match. GNUe is a bunch of code freaks in a circle jerk -- which would be OK if there were any sign of it having any influence on the business world. There being no such sign, the whole thing is a disgrace to the world of GNU. hi dcmwai GNU is an act of aggression: the whole idea is to kill, kill, kill commercial software. `}l? If GNUe is not in the business of shutting down ACCPacc, it has no claim on the aether it is consuming. Whutt's your theory, Jan? GNU is kids sitting around the campfire chatting about what good coders they are? siesel, Hello siesel, I'm reading log seeing what I've miss Fred_Frog, Have you have enough YEt.. I'm Frasted by you. Ni hao, dcmwai? ˆ¨ŒRÙH _/! Not yet, no. Fred_Frog: at least you see we are not killing here anyone, which is a good point Hi, dimas. *Ný†,vº¶ (Zå/„... Fred_Frog, I like camping :) Two entires there have come across as line noise on my screen. This machine is MS XP, with all codes enabled Are you typing in Asian fonts under Linux in some way that the machine is messing up? Jan, the Frog was a mountain climber in earlier years. ùF/ì¡ žÕ! What font was that? Fred_Frog: You should switch to utf-8 :) ïá... Action: dcmwai think luckily the log server can't log utf-8 :) What is the Linux front end for IRC? I can switch to Suse Linux if there's an easy way of geting back to you that way. Frog prefers utf-8 as a matter of principle. Fred_Frog, I know you might be great in your Area, and our Jobs Meant nothing to you... xchat But you have to know something. We kept on changing.. and What you have is what we don't "Experiences" And "Time" I'll go overto xchat. You Just say that you want a Very good Accounting software.. How are we going to fullfail you.. but If you can say it more speicifilly.. We might be able to do that... But dcmwai, your strategy of attacking me -- what do you have? etc. -- does not make any sense. Saying what you want, What is the Standard way. Action: dcmwai aint not attacking.. Action: dcmwai is not an attacker. I don't claimm to have anything. I am only saying "I want a GNU enterprise package" and GNUe doesn't have one. GNUe is a bloviating balloon of promises with no performance. Fred_Frog, Be frank.. in the real world do you have what You WANT? There is nothing useable in the enterprise world to be found in GNUe. All the time? Genue Might seem to be a toy for you but it is what we are trying to build. dcmwai, I am a happy and productive citizen -- with enough spare time t come around and look at what you kids are doing -- and pouncen you now that I've spent a week looking. We came with a same Vision, a Same Dream s/with/for Fred_Frog: We concentrate on tools, and speaking of performance you can't name python slow. I'm going off ne for a while now. Out for brunch, and coming back on xchat later. if you want accounting you have to write a package for that first. well not that slow. ttfn. Fred_Frog, Waiting for you to be back.. Action: dcmwai goto bath :) Jan, the GNUe documentation says there is an accounting package -- and then you get to page 24, and you find that it was written three years ago, and the actual content does not exist. It's all hot air. never saw someone bathing so often :) Very bluntly, everything "in print" by GNUe is lies. hi siesel siesel, How often.. I only bath once one day... FF: I don't like that part of documentation too GNUe does not exist. Potempkin village. Emperor's clothes. Buncha chorseshit. Fred_Frog, Actually it was but it is removed ... but there wasnt time to update it btw. nobody cared so much. Remove the whole thing. Go back to zero. Yes :) Change the name. What is so important about the Name? Call it the barenakedladies chat channel of IRC. We have a working forms client with 4 different frontends, a forms designer, reports ... Just stop associating yourselves with "GNU" or "enterprise," since you have nothing to do with either. but that is just one part. Action: dcmwai think Fred_Frog don't wasn that, He only want something HE WANT GNU Enterprise is a metapackage which include packages like GNU Bayone etc. Action: dcmwai think Fred_Frog is very selffish dcmwai, that's not true. Frog wants you guys to produce what you say *you* want to produce. Frog is certainly selfish, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. ttfn. Fred_Frog, There is a gnue-sb product and it is using the old nola as a Database schema.. Which includeing the Account Db (schema) Fred_Frog, It is important... Fred_Frog, And when Aria came. I see how aria Work and Think it is not good enough that why we stop and Redo the DB schema. That is all... about the Accounting... and we concentrate on enterprise. I would be a joke to say we do Personal Accounting in a SAP like manner. I.e. let someone do one year of customization to do something like gnu cash. There is no point on building a building on the sand. We Need something Strong for foundation.. That Need mininal Change for a long period. AND you think accounting is the most important aspect, I don't think so. Nevertheless, Its fun :) Action: dcmwai think the DB schema is the most important part... without it the whole things don't run. And the Whole things Run dependent on it's design. the better the Design the Faster it will run. Period.... Action: dcmwai Really have to goto Bath... Action: dcmwai is away: I'm busy gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-82-129.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) got netsplit. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@wlg1-port26.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) returned to #gnuenterprise. tamas (~tamas@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" Action: dcmwai is back (gone 00:43:21) Nick change: tamas -> btami wb dcmwai, hi all hi hello btami :) Action: btami is happy, UHU-Linux has gnue packages now !!! deb http://uhu.linuxuser.hu/blaci/1.0 ./ into sources.list thanks to Balint Laszlo ! UHU-Linux is _THE_ hungarian GNU/Linux distro :-o Impressive. Most impressive. yes, and he(blaci) is from Szeged like me, but we'v never met before yet :) btami: we were told today that all gnue codebase is useless, then wghat is it for? :) it looks real purty yes, i'v read it maybe one is supposed to stare at it and make goo goo eyes at it dimas_: yeah i know. what a sham. give up now! come on, knock that stuff off, people the sad thig, that FF had a bit of truth, gnue has no packages yet :( it doesn't? i mean business packages uhhh. btami: you mean a completed, targeted, turnkey application? but the best we can advice to FF, to start workin on dtm: gnue-sb is stalled mostly lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. oh no, i'v forgot papo guys i'm afraid that no, in fact Fred_Frog's abusive rantings had no bit of truth. he alleged only that nothing at all existed and that gnue was entirely a lie. btami: although i admire you for being charitable in your evaluation of his commentary, i must advise you to not insert a grain where there is none :) to tell the truth, i'v never met any troll before :) except in Harry Potter movie lol siesel, you are back :) dcmwai: working late again? yes, and I'm waiting on the big datasource code merge. SachaS, Yes this time is working on Scim ... (everyday different problem) what is Scim? siesel: you're wasting your time with the GNUe thing it is a dead dead project ;) fred frog killed it with his dragon breath good night guys chillywilly, Who care ... we can make dead alive :) Nick change: SachaS -> SachaZzzz night sascha what about a new irc welcome message: "welcome to the gnu enterprise black magic, its dead but still alive ... dcmwai: did you make some progress with xslt or reports? siesel, frankly.. No.. because I don't really know where to start.. I would like to finished it by this weeks (well next weeks) I meant DOWN WITH GNUe!!! Nick change: dneighbo_ -> derek :-o Action: dtm dives under the table Action: derek reaches under there and pulls dtm out by his nape it is our naked emperor, derek!!! good morning sire no coders escape that should be the GNU Enterprise opening message maybe we could make it a coding competition and you're looking particularly nude today, sire like face the jury and other possible high profile competitions Action: dtm hands derek a fig leaf for exampel we could have GNUE thunderdome lol two coders enter. one coder leaves. He has been..... disassembled. or American GNUer with nokia voting system the price for the best coder would be a goat visit, the second price: some donuts l8r btami (~tamas@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: "Kliens kilép" siesel, any hints for me? but something.. Fred_frog is right at some point... Gnue is moving... But it is not being use another word... It is Still a Dream reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai: yes, the best solution is to modify the existant xslt classes. siesel, How and where? in gnue-reports/src/adapters/filters/SimpleTabulation/etc/ dcmwai: it's a dream that's working pretty well in production for several people, as I understand it and has for a long long time good morning, all *sniff* [11:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). do I smell a troll amongst us? Action: jcater runs off to paint some more siesel: I'm going to try my best to merge common with head late tonight or early tomorrow omg Action: reinhard is reading the logs :) i just can't believed believe someone insulting chillywilly like *that* and he still stays *so* calm and even polite and later jcater and chillywilly defending each other Action: chillywilly is a more reasonable/professional person these days ;P jcater: /me doesn't mean pushing you. But I'll be happy if that integration stuff is done, as appserver needs it. reinhard: that guy had also been drinking so probably was not of his right mind' and "cvs ?tagmerge?" is something I know nothing about :) Nick change: gsoti_away -> gsoti siesel: it's not fun not fun at all :( siesel, Well I'll have to sleep right now.. :) siesel, talk to you tomorrow if you are free. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.213.69) left irc: "Client exiting" Nick change: gsoti -> gsoti_away Action: reinhard notices he's still logged on Action: reinhard remembers the good old activision game "frogger" ;-) heh good we have received a support ticket for appserver with the title "Remain blessed in the name of the Lord" i think that's a good sign ;-) :) dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Remote closed the connection dyaaaah. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) megatux (~chrisg@22.pchl5.xdsl.nauticom.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I have donuts w00t!!!! me too.. got me a dozen last night while on my midnight-run-to-the-store-cuz-baby's-wearing-the-last-diaper reinhard: God is with us :) jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard you are in the presence of people with Lutheran in-laws. "Blessed be the name of the Lord." As it happens, the Frog is Jewish. Not merellly Jewish: actuallu a Jew. ccchillywilly, do yoiu have any teeth left? Also - I'm real about my rant -- have you produced one line of code useable in the business world yet? go away Dan, I am the hammer of god. I am calling you to account. I have code and net authority beyond what you can magine. To reassure bystanders, Frog is not RMS. Not quite. see and here I thought the reason you were being so obstinant was cause you were drinking ben_ (~chatzilla@CPE-24-209-142-232.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. guess you're just an a-hole 24/7 brb willy I have to go check on my noodles ;) Hi everyone ! Dan, my beinng a fulltime asshole does not reduce my authority. you have no authority here i don't think 0 can be reduced :) and if you're not careful you may get yourself permanently banned I am calling you down of the failure of GNUe to produce anything worthwhile -- and hence its incipient disgrace of the "GNU" name. cause people can only take some much of your crap Dan, I have the strength of truth:GNUe is a useless offshoot of the GNU enterprise. It has produced nothing worthwile. The GNU commmuity laugh at you. I am their emissary. You are in trouble in he community. Frog isnot. *plonk* blaci (~laci@ip98-117.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. Frog bseves that "*plonk*" is a typical post of people on the side watching to see what happens. Frrog reiterates that almost everybody around the joint is excellent: the only problem is they have produced nothing. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. what? gnue useless? i best uninstall it at my real job and at my clients Hey Fred_Frog show everyone here your last project, and what you may have contributed to the opensource community. of course that means they'd have give up their online order submission system, all their reports, their ability to pull up customer records i'll also have to stop working on their new po system the fact we don't have a shrink wrap "gnue" does not mean the software is useless blaci (~laci@ip98-117.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Kliens kilép" R45 (~r45@200.108.1.233) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-211-159.netcologne.de) left irc: "2.6.0-test9-mm4->5" :-o #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o jamest' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-216.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. ben_ (~chatzilla@CPE-24-209-142-232.wi.rr.com) left irc: "ERP....excuse me ;)" The Mighty Frog,devourer of small flies, returneth from lunch. derek Derek, I've been wating to talk to you, here or elsewhere. My voice phone is 416-829-8401. To be very blunt, everything good arund here and all of the failings are connected to you. Derek, I'm 416-8229-8401 In public I want it clear that I admire both your skill and your energy. I only want more results. . Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) left irc: i guess the rest of the contributors to gnue can just quit now psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust70.leed.broadband.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest: ban his IP he's a moron as all we've done is crap /mode #gnueneterprise +b *!*@199.243.96.248 er As far as the "misleading" charge goes /mode #gnuenterprise +b *!*@199.243.96.248 re the website it actually says on the front page "Tools exist, packages don't" or words to that effect just someone being a dick, I'm sure is banning really in order? did the troll go back under his bridge? he quit nah probably reading the logs now to see how we react what do you think he is going to contribute here>? it's somewhat amusing abuse? yea you guys really need that If nothing else, trolls give arturas lots of stuff to do KC on ;-) lol [14:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s). i'm in the lucky position of not giving a shit about what 1 person says about gnue or even 1000 as "it works for me" but, but, but it's vapourware gnue-common especially it's in 24/7 apps for me jamest/jcater - did we ever do that document abouthow to use Common outside GNUe (i.e. as jcater & jamest)? Action: psu loses track it's in the developers guide in gnue-common/docs ack all the samples should work cool Action: jamest fixed them up befor the last release Action: chillywilly takes note it doesn't cover gparser use anyone ever use webware? hey I know how to write a GParser :P gnue common is so K()()L you've got db-independant db access XML parsing morning all! hi ajmitch hi ajmitchie loads of other goodies good to see some trolling again the Swiss Army Knife of GNUe ajmitch: any tutorial like things for webware? if you all hadn't seen it, I'm sure you wouldn't have believed our report from last night ;) chillywilly: dunno webkit rather I have to run away quickly now ajmitch: well there isn't crap on teh web site the* bah farewell, I'll be back in 12 hours or so! :) website is in CVS now, so easy enough to fix ;-) jamest: I did a example about how to create gnue schema files, you probably want to add it to gnue-common documentation too: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jan/demo-create-schema.py Fred_Frog (Fred_Frog@199.243.96.248) joined #gnuenterprise. Somebody said something intelligent and then the connection crashed. you mean this : . Is this evidence that the Multiverse is ruled by a loving Gog? yea we missed you so much... Fred_Frog : website admits that the tools exist, but the packages are vapourware Back to the subject at hand: is there any hope of GNUe becoming useful? if your beef is that GNUe has not had enuf work on it to do all the things we would like it to be And ceasing to be an embarrassment to the name "GNU"? does anyone has an opinion against adding a "last revised" to every doc on the documentation page? I think you will get 1000% agreement here but you are talking to the wrong people siesel: none here siesel: works for me Fred_Frog: i use gnue in 24/7 apps so it works for em me should be nagging the 5,999,999,900 people in the world who are *not* working on gnue pssu, welcome to the frabfest! if others don't find it usefull then they can 1) request something and wait 2) do it themself and contribute 3) complain and do nothing personally, i don't care what any specific person chooses ok, editing html now (I hope that I don't produce crab, i.e. the python code we wrote :) jamest ther is more to it than that: there is an impicit claim that this is allpart of GNU, so when the whole thing turns out to be silly onssense it reflects badly on GNU. they they can kick us out as we are part of gnu jamest you have an idea there. an official part, rms set it up with jonas olberg and myself so long ago i can't recall the date but if you think insulting gnue and such is going to really get to me in any way you're mistake jamest my phone number is 416-829-8401. ok and? But no, I have never insuled gnu nor gnue. I have simply pointed out GNUe's singlular lack of accompolishment. You don' seem to have phoned me yet... why would I call you? as for lack of accomplishments What's your number, jamest? it's private Res ipse loquitur. how is this cowardly is there any abbreviation for "last revised" you come in, made unsubstantiated claims against GNUe we don't know you from Adam and want phone numbers? jcater, you can talk to me any time: 416-829-8401. about what? but why? And everybody in the community knows who I am. you've told use we haven't accomplished anything fine, so we haven't we're an embarrasment, fine again About GNUe's lack of useful output. calling you won't change either of those things and gnue works for me in production from a truly selfish standpoint it's been a smashing success James, if you want to talk about the future of GNUe, as an accounting and business system, you cam to the right place. I'm your man. i'm reaping the benefits for dozens of people s/for/of You came here, not the other way around if you want to contribute and be part of the team we gladly accept contributions yip though paper, or even IRC works better than vocal things not recorded are lost email works well to it's not as fast as talking but as you have already pointed out speediness isn't our thing to begin with James I lurked for two weeks, read all the archives, and the only thing I hzven't read in depth is the CVS. I have corresponded with peoplke who have gone through the CVS and say it's a lot of nothing. tamas (~tamas@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. that's constructive.. I outrank you not merely on being smarter than you, more thoughtful than you, faster than you -- but also on knowing more about GNUe than you. Nick change: tamas -> btami rofl that rocks btami, excellent person, welcome to the war. considering how I'm one of the two original founders of the GNUe project wow I better get my rubber boots it's getting deep in here and 1/2 the people in here know more about it than me ? jamest it is difficult to reply to that withut embarassing you. not really the people that code more than I have know things better James, you are smart and hard working. What you have built so far is a big nutthhhin. i wish I was as sharp as several of the people in here as it'd make my life easier yip jamest, I am not into judging people: I think thaaat you are all excellent. some of you are also funny, a big virtue in Frog's view. some of the younger out there are trying hard -- also a big virtue in Frog's view. should people feel priviliged now...? Nevertheless, GNUe is a total disaster. Fred_Frog: we welcome any contributions you have that would turn the project around R45: welcome. please feel free to write up proposals or code and submit to the mailing lists if it's anything large we do require that you assign copyright over to the FSF as all of us have done while we haven't accomplished much we are one of the few gnu projects that actually follow that request from the gnu project To be quite frank, out of the roughly 15 billion people who will be on the planet druring my lifetime I expect to work with maybe 5~20,000. Yes, you're one of the lucky ones. without copyright assignment we can not accept anything james, one of the things that annoys me the most is the tendentious compliance of everybody with the "rules" -- rath than actually poducing anything. Everything I do is GNU. I Assert that anybody ho touches me, even in their dreams, is GNU. that's a rule you'd have to live with as we do believe in producing free, utterly useless software Actually I have a court case lurking out there, below the present SCO shit. Have no fear: I gnu where you live... James, you have my phone numbe. Again: 46-829-8401. Actually the beat was a cuple of minutes. OK, guys, you don' wanna talk Here's the agenda for GNUe: a usable and expndable accounting system. great can we expect your patch in a week? two? I look forward to this monster of a patch Anybody wants to help, you're welcome on board. jcater, you seem to be one of the god guys:what' your voice number? from what I've seen, I don't trust you enough to give my voice number OK, could you phone me, please? 416-828-8401. You do have a phne? of course And... I have no desire to take this conversation private and am still in the dark as to what you hope to accomplish with this tirade OK, II'm perfectly willing to keep it out here for eveybody: GNUe is a pathological growth, a nonsense, a useless bit of the hcker culture, an embarrassment to everybody, a failure. that's why we love it A sappy weakness. A thing everybody is ashamed of. Action: Vee hugs Fred_Frog Something everybody wishes would go away. A sad case. sigh, it's all so true jamest: should I go burn my servers w/GNUe on them? that have served me so well over the last few years i'm taking my client's servers down as well as the ones at work the messiah has told you to... shouldn't have to ask anyone I'm starting to think I've been delusional the last few years they are going to be upset of course as obviously there is no GNUe seeing as how I'm going to seriously impact their bottom line so what have I been using/coding on? damn I better tell my wife they'll have to hire more help she needs to close down her two retail storefronts as they are run 100% on GNUe she won't like that and just before Black Friday troo too jcater maybe we can find a nice java beans based solution that like frioles? as i'll really should have something up and running by 7am monday damn FF: just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it should go away using that as a reason the GNU project certainly should've thrown out emacs years ago :) actually that web submission system is 24/7 shutting that down is going to have me in panic mode as of right now Action: jamest panics Action: jamest runs around naked and panicing gack! now I have to imagine jamest naked ff: see what you've done! GNUe doesn't work for me, but I need it to work, so please, everybody get back to work. Break's over! :) LuftHans I don't need this thing to work "for me." I came here to see whether this bit of the GNUniverse was functioning. this has been fun but the kids are here for the weekend and requesting my attention yeah I have company flying into town in 2 hrs and I haven't finished painting i think we're watching new lord o the rings dvd so it'll be hours before I'm back grrr Action: reinhard is jealous ok. it's not working for you. lotr dvd... jmaest, jcater: wish you a nice weekend. reinhard: grrr? * reinhard is jealous siesel: I'll be back is it not available in the .eu? sure just the first part but that doesn#t mean i own one :) reinhard: ah,ok :) just got mine last night siesel: you don't get the two towers on dvd here?? btw all of this is in English. didn't know that not watching it, though, as I'm waiting for the theatrical release of the extended versions :) I thought it would be out yet, but ... I didn't check lately siesel: the extended version of tTT hasn't released in .eu yet? Frogs speak German and Japanese. (Froglets speak Arabic, Korean and Italian -- but who can jkeep their childre under contraol?) it was released Tue in the .us FF: du kannst Deutsch? #gnuenterprise: mode change '+o siesel' by jamest!~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-0.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net megatux (~chrisg@22.pchl5.xdsl.nauticom.net) left irc: "leaving" LuftHans: give him time to pull up babblefish R45: believe me, the fish don't know German :) psu (psu@public1-wear2-3-cust70.leed.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) bully (~Eddy@pD9EBA4BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: gsoti_away -> gsoti btami (~tamas@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: "Kliens kilép" reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Frog takes nno position on whtheer jcater hass been delusional ov the years. If jcater haaaaaas sssome position aaround the poductiity of GNUe, Frog -- like others --might think oftanking a position. either learn to type or get a working keyboard, your highness Action: wendall911 wonders if Fred_Frog is drunk wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) left #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: Nick collision from services. night all reinhard_ (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution." for all gnue documentation we have revision dates now. i.e. in <6 hours when the website is updated from CVS :-o Nick change: gsoti -> gsoti_away Nick change: gsoti_away -> gsoti siesel: you, sir, are a champion amongst men mouns (mouns@kali.mouns.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection thierry__ (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) got netsplit. 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Uhh. yea! nickr: I just finished reading about 2 days of logs dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.163.220) joined #gnuenterprise. morning dcmwai morning siesel. must be very late for you HEllo siesel I'm reading the Whole long Log... and think are we still in Netsplit :) siesel: very funny I've miss the last message on the xslt files location. in gnue-reports/src/adapters/filters/SimpleTabulation/etc/ I Only saw that this morning on the log :) :) Action: dcmwai is printing them out Action: siesel had to do some scanning today scan what? hello Sacha ca. 300 pictures todo and still 120 pictures left, but that has to wait for tomorow virus :-O no, ð~E«Zi†„Eù„gG wtf &^w3eiqgwejahstdu76*&^8 nevertheless, I'm getting tired. wimp cw: utf-8 encoded chinese. ok... cu tomorow siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-216.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" siesel: ð~E«Zi†„Eù„gG ?? You have them? ah.. siesel quit... nvm... hi gsoti hi dcmwai how are you? Action: SachaS thinks he should start to read the logs again :) SachaS: I think once is enough, :) SachaS: fine, how are you too :) Action: dcmwai at last see some peaces in #gnuenterprise Nick change: SachaS -> Fred_Frog Nick change: Fred_Frog -> SachaS ;) jk jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. :0 if (SachaS == Fred_Frog) Status == No more peaces Action: gsoti Note: english word should be "peace" :-) if SachaS == 'Fred_Frog': chillywilly.troutslap(SachaS) heh haha but it is good at least we have got op here Now .. last time we have op but they are hidden :) if I had ops that dude would've already been banned I'm not going to bad him but will kick him when he is too much :) yep. that won't do any good cause he'll just come back talking more crap How about mute him :) haha :) well that don't do anything ... It is uselesss... Even if he is not here he still can tell crap else where. cw: ya' know- It struck me that all he wanted was to stir things up. Their are some people like that. nothing more than pointless anger yeah he had absolutely no point whatsoever, at any time gsoti: that or drunkenness : :) or both! too bad coz i found him initially quite respectable I worked with a dude like that once. He got fired. gsoti: awright! YEs :) Action: dcmwai set Fire pointing on a Fred_Frog lol Action: dcmwai forgot he is practicing buddhist and not suppose to Kill :( Action: dcmwai put off the fire ... :( i try not to say in public what i used to do to frogs when I was a kid. heheh fir cracker up the butt? fire HEHHEH LOL tape a M80 to them? *splat* *pop* Action: gsoti I see just a mindless puddle on the ground now come on dtm plz share ;) Action: gsoti I know he is thinking something good and I wait ... how cur .. anyone might tell me much of the gnue-reports/src/adapters/filters/SimpleTabulation/etc/ Format? anywhere I can get how to write the xsl files... xslt? ot Ah got it wendall911 (~wendallc@guardian.nidaho.net) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.163.220) left irc: Remote closed the connection hi all ajmitch: hi good day ajmitch hi good to see some sanity here ;) jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" gsoti (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-82-129.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) ToyMan (~stuq@user-0cevdks.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" --- Sun Nov 23 2003