ah, cool, debsums works on the package that was made via dh-make-perl obviously I don't use that stuff enough. Had to go through my debian presentation to remember some of the utils :(. ah, the joys of rpm. This is what I have to figure out another day. rpm -q -l package.rpm reports package is not installed. rpm -i package.rpom reports package is already installed. --rebuilddb did not fix the situation. I don't want to remove the given package but maybe I have to. Action: alandd rasberrys the computer must get to bed now. If you have any thoughts, I'm leaving xchat up. isn't there a reinstall for rpm? yea. I'll try that real quick? this is one of those cases where --ignore-deps might be OK to use does 'freshen' do anything? probably bitches that there's nothing to freshen :( freshen does nothing. I just want to know if the file I am missing is in the rpm. Why is that so hard? what are you all people looking at? just try rpm --force I can go get the source or a different rpm but I want to know why the file is not there to begin with. ah, -q -l is to list the contents of the rpm? yep ql that's the one that reports it is not installed alandd: give it the full-path to the file ok joyless also, it probably wants 'rpm -q -l package' rather than package.rpm if you want to list the files content on an rpm not install you need to use rpm -qlp where p == packages p?! YEp tada! Action: dcmwai is a RHCE :) hehe :) hmm, the file in question is not there. Action: alandd gapes at the RHCE alandd, what files are you looking? sa-learn is missing from my spamassassin. This is on a red hat 9 based - clarkconnect box alandd, then the easier way to solve will be... reinstall spamassassin using rpm -ivh --force or if you have apt (for redhat) installed, you might try Action: alandd doesn't like --force apt-get check;apt-get update;apg-get install spamassassin alandd, you will have to use that force else when rpm detect a packages is there it WILL NOT install anything rpm -F and U will also not check it unless there are different alandd: was it there before? apg-get install spamassassin report that spamassassin is already the newest version Action: dcmwai think apt might be a better solution Action: dcmwai think remove spamassassin and reinstall it will be a better way :) LuftHans: don't know. just installed the os last week. wanted to train SA but sa-learn was not there. alandd, har... it shouldn't be there :) why not? Action: dcmwai think alandd have mixed up something... it support to be other packages alandd: ok, maybe spamassassin didn't get properly installed to begin with, hence the state of the package in the package db apt-cache search spamassassin Action: dcmwai give up Action: LuftHans writes clarkconnect on a debian CD and suggests alandd try his version ;-) heh well, wife is already harping on me to get to bed. she is right. apt-get remove and then apt-get install did NOT get me sa-learn. ok, gute n8 alandd, a very good suggestion is alandd, Get the rpm spamassassin OUT... OUT? alandd, Get the new tar.gz from spamassassin and install from sources If you worry about files location get checkinsatll and use it for the make install steps .. it will packages the make install installed files into a rpm and at least you can remove it easily :) that may be the way to go. I'll try another day. Thanks. checkinstall sounds like a good idea. good night. Nick change: alandd -> alanddZZzz alanddZZzz, it is a very good idea :) I love it :) Action: dcmwai have 2 spamassassin installed in the system ... Wouder why hi dmwai hello SachaS :) how is day going? let me restart after the kernel update ... :) BRB dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.94.80.46) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.32.190) joined #gnuenterprise. wb dcmwai running test11 ? no Just 2.4.22-1.2129.nptl dare not run test 11 :) [zeus-pub.kernel.org] The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.23 The latest snapshot for the stable Linux kernel tree is: 2.4.23-bk2 The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.0-test11 Action: SachaS runs happily test 11 :) The latest snapshot for the beta Linux kernel tree is: 2.6.0-test11-bk1 The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.25 The latest 2.0 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.0.39 The latest prepatch for the 2.0 Linux kernel tree is: 2.0.40-rc6 wah... The latest -ac patch to the stable Linux kernels is: 2.4.22-ac4 The latest -ac patch to the beta Linux kernels is: 2.6.0-test1-ac3 ack what is -ac? jeez, when they add all those extra versions in there.. alan cox SachaS, who is that guy :) anyone try this? http://m-arriaga.net/software/libtrash/ trashcan.. I hate that concept dcmwai nope if I rm something, it better disappear.. Vee, Well it is nice for user... 2.6.0-testX dont crash anymore ;) Because user always bug us and say.. I've removed something did you have anyway to undelete it? ... but it is not good for rpm builder... ;) dcmwai: that's what snapshots are for tough love. Burn and learn. That's what I say. LuftHans, snapshots? I don't really know about how and what it is for... Vee, ? dont tell the computer to do things you dont want it to do. ;) .. hehe.. accident Happen Action: dcmwai have try rm -Rf /etc true that, but you should learn from them. or even more... rm -Rf / Pay attention when using commands like rm. Keep backups of critical data isn't that someone say... don't drink and "rm" :) dmcwai: snapshots are a form of online backups, users can go get files out of them dmcwai: good snapshots become a form of revisioning and only need the space to save the changes Ooh... Vee: all data is critical. If you don't need to back it up delete it :) LuftHans, anymore introduction about snapshot.. LuftHans: well, some is backed up by it's nature.. the base system for instance can be installed in the same manner it was created so there's no need to back it up again. Vee: ah, but the original CDs are the backup :) right, that's what I'm saying.. and the source from which they're created is yet another back up.. so there's little point in furthering the redundancy.. source is not an adequate backup for binary in use source with a copy or reliably reproducable copy of the compilation environment might be ( this be for compiled languages, not compile on the fly language ) s/the source/the origin/ ... Action: dcmwai think that is beyond the scope dcmwai: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3002.html#I2 ...: Command not found. I have seen other resources on snapshots, but don't remember where netapp was the first place I ran into filesystem level snapshotting tuxfs was supposed to have it, but I never saw that develop into anything I've heard rumors of reiser and snapshotting as well ah.. I know LVM have it :) cool, I'll have to look at LVM again Action: dcmwai think LVM is very cool... can resize, can snapshot can delete and also add I should move my laptop to using it just used a fedora CD to resize partitions via parted :) LuftHans, but be warn... Test kernel don't support LVM :) ugh laptop is also where I want to test 2.6 maybe it's time to start dual-booting even for linux :) (where both linux) my old laptop dual-boots debian and SuSE this one'll probably be debian and debian :) http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/readme.txt booting GNU/Linux and m$ is duel-booting since m$ doesn't play nice :( Mov Nov 17 - 2.6.0-test9-bk21; added ext3 online resize patch; 100% untested handle with care Action: dcmwai don't want to see M$ anymore :) oh well, time for the halls of sleep n8 alle n8 siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-77.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. morning hi siesel Hi siesel :) How is day going :) very bad. I read about the compromise of savannah some minutes ago :( http://savannah.gnu.org/statement.html what about you? reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. morning reinhard have a look at: http://savannah.gnu.org/statement.html i already saw it :(( this is starting to get annoying i think it's Fred Frog trying to stop distribution of all those vapourware j/k actually it's not funny at all :-( that sucks I shupd apt-get upgrade erm, that's a kernel exploit isn't it? local kernel exploit s/shupd/should/ yes, using the brk() kernel call. yea a good analyse can be found on lwn.net bah the new kernel isn't yet in unstable who uses pre-built kernels ;) real men roll their own ;P I'm a pilot, I don't roll anything :) bah http://savannah.gnu.org/ redirects to statement.html that's good nothing on {gnu,fsf}.org that's bad :( damokles (~damokle@pD9E45DC8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi damokles do you solved the interbase/firebird problem? siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-77.netcologne.de) left irc: "Client exiting" Hi siesel no, not really. I send btami my config Files yesterday. He tested and they worked at his machine. When i force GNUe-Designer to connect to my Database I got an Error -902. Saying unable to complete network request to host "localhost". dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.32.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) damokles: sorry maybe a silly question can you ping localhost? btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard: yes i can. your question isn't silly. hi all damokles: what version of Firebird you heve? dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi btami I have 1.5RC7 of firebird btami: thank you for your fast response yesterday can you install Python and Kinterbasdb, and try to connect from Python? And thanks too for your netstat printing. I am missing the ports to the Database sockets in my netstat. _that_ netstat output was after starting gnue-appserver ok, but i should find the port in listening stat with netstat. i'v never changed any default ports in my box... are you using default Firebird install, or somethong customized? I had changed the port. Actually it is the default port again. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out no success with default port ? no, i don't have. it seems to me a networkproblem. btami: do you have superserver or classic server installed? my Firebird server is running on XP, it hasn't got 2 versions your is running on *nix ? nope. I've all on xp. hmmm Ok. I uninstall firebird and start again. Action: btami is rebooting btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Leaving" btami (~tamas@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. btami: I now have the setupscreen of firebird in front of me. and i can choose between Classic Server binary and Super Server binary here. ok, i'm sorry then :) so, have you changed anything? no, never okay. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.213.197) joined #gnuenterprise. mmm. funny. Installation is done, the database is started and i found port 3050 listening. great! yes. And I got my Application Server RUNNING. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-77.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (jan@xdsl-213-196-208-77.netcologne.de) left irc: Client Quit mdupont (IRCm@c-134-80-1.f.dial.de.ignite.net) joined #gnuenterprise. damokles (~damokle@pD9E45DC8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) hi damokles (~damokle@pD9E45DC8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Que Pasa, Los Locos! muey bein or sompn se habla burrito mucho supremo si so did I tell you guys I'm closing my business? no Vee what busniess? effective dec 31, technically. bummer topsew.com *shrug* Action: mdupont looks There's simply too much for one person to do successfully, and I'm wanting to move in different directions now.. at the end of this month it will be a complete 7 years. cool I'm not sure what we're gonna do with our shops There's still a pretty big need for business software for the industry and I've a lot of interest in fullfilling that need through this project.. This last week there was a pretty good thread in an industry mailing list.. doctor told wife to de-stress her life why dont you sell the business on ebays? access from hand held devices is something a lot of people want.. I have some better niche specific sites to market my equipment/business on than ebay.. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Later..." ok I've already got a buyer, just need to work out the details.. what do you want to do afterwards? why is it not working Vee: :( now I'll have to find a new supplier not that I buy much but still.... jcater: I know lots of people, and I'll be sure and give you designs so you can take them anywhere and only pay for the garment/service.. I have a laundry list of things (mostly personal) I need to do before I can let the equipment go.. dsmith (~dsmith@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Have you had problems to connect to the appserver with the sample? no reinhard: *ping* pong Every time i start gnue-forms with sample.gfd i get 10061 reinhard: I've had a crazy thought for something I want appserver to do. tell me :) siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-206-129.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. 10061 ? reinhard: How hard to add a security layer on it, to enable it to generate files and gpg sign them? =) how would that be related to any of the current functions of appserver? Like, let's say you have an order entry system of some sort. But part of that needs to generate tickets for an unrelated system. reinhard: On-commit scripting and such. yes. Error while communicating with datasource. Error loging into appserver:( 10061, 'Connection refused') hmm. i understand As part of that, take a password that doesn't get committed to the database, but gets passed to appserver so that it can use it for signing. i think the answer would be something like "on-commit scripts can do anything you can pack into python code" the problem would be how to pass a passphrase or the private key into the appserver system Yeah. damokles: are you using .conf files you sended me? And it would also have to keep from stuffing the passphrase into a database somewhere. =) i think this question affects things i don't know too much about like whether things stored in RAM are secure or not or how to *make* them secure They're not, but I'm not too concerned about that level of security at this point. Action: reinhard has to commit that he's not a security expert at all nor am I after all, I still ahve a few windows machines up and running =) jcater: lol What I'm looking for, I guess, is whether or not appserver will allow fields to be filled in in forms (assumign forms can * out a field), support ssl transfer of data, and then can work with information that's not destined to go to a database. short answer: quite likely yes long answer: please don't expect it in the next point release ;-) Cool. i don't see any problem with SSL transfer as that will be a topic of gnue-rpc someday anyway I've been thinking that I might wrap GNU Radar (network management, like HP Openview) around gnue. I've been thinking that I should start again to work on appserver (after pausing for over a month now) :) btami: not exactly. In connections.conf i took username and password out of [appserver] jbailey: sometimes i wonder about how many packages you maintain :) Me? why? =) damokles: put them back jbailey: you seem to stick your fingers into every piece of code you can get ;-) I work in some strange environments, and I keep wishing the whole world ran on free software. in strange environments? that's a nice description of canada ;-) *lol* btami: already done. i don't have to select an username and password. But the error still exists. jbailey: gnu-rpc should already works over ssl siesel: Does appserver use that? not at the moment damokles: please restart appserver and try again btami: done. But nothing change on the error. :-[ reinhard: Perhaps I need to come up with a list of clever features I want for appserver, and then beg lots. =) damokles, it looks like appserver is not watching the needed xmlrpc port. thanks siesel, i will try. jcater: btw. did you had time to look after the dcl report script yet? no, but I saw it on my list today and kicked myself For agreeing to do it? :) night all btami (~tamas@ngprs.pannongsm.hu) left irc: "Leaving" Thanks for your tips to you both btami and siesel. does it work now? siesel, yes it does. good night all. damokles (~damokle@pD9E45DC8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "bye all" Nick change: md-afk -> mdupont night al all night reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "For each complex problem, there is a simple, understandable, obvious, and wrong solution." hi siesel_ (jan@xdsl-195-14-206-129.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel_ (jan@xdsl-195-14-206-129.netcologne.de) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) unbeliveable debian archive is open again :) hi mdupont hi siesel! btw. if you need some theoretical background for CRM systems have a look at: http://www.database-marketing.de/ Open in what sense? 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ZZzZzZ-md-ZzZzZ (mdupont@p5080E880.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) megatux (~chrisg@22.pchl5.xdsl.nauticom.net) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody awake tonight? hi megatux I'm trying to play with gnue-appserver via the Debian packages getting a bunch of errors Are there issues with Python 2.3? i havent played with gnue-appserver in a while and when i was playing with it I used the cvs version. megatux: are the other debian packages working for you? appserver in debian isnt very old, it should work fine with 2.3 AFAIK what are the errors? DB000: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 41, in _make_connection DB000: apply(super(ConnectionBase, self).__init__, args, kwargs) last 3 lines DB000: TypeError: connect() argument 3 must be string, not Non Vee takes over ;) (SachaS is busy) (Vee is busy too) (and clueless) hehe (and has never played with appserver) ;) I'll figure it out eventually.. just new to this and Python yea, nothing like playing.. do the other apps work though? haven't tried anything.. like designer, or forms megatux: I wonder.. are you attempting to connect to a db without a password? I think perhaps it requires you set up your connection with a password megatux: maybe try to get designer, forms running first I should double check the configs megatux: also you have to get the database setup correctly. yea, I would start there.. Do you have an existing db? (looks like you might have mysql running?) (I really need to get dirty and play with appserver sometime) probably next year oh wait.. yeah.. where is the db user/password set? In connections.conf there is provider, host, dbname you may set it in there, albeit not very secure, by setting user = ... and password = .. didn't work I notice there's a /usr/share/doc/gnue-appserver/examples/setup-mysql.sh and one for pgsql as well to setup a test db to play with did you run that? does the user you use to connect with, require a password? I manually imported it.. there was a syntax error in the SQL yes.. created a 'gnue' user with same pwd oh? address_meettime UNHANDLED TYPE(time) NULL ok.. so you're db is setup good, you can connect to it fine using the mysql client, etc.. ? yep your entry in connections.conf looks something like.. [command] comment = Command Test DB provider = mysql host= localhost dbname = command user = vin password = himom yeah [gnue] jcater (~jason@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. read the instructions in the README in that examples dir?