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<mdupont> hey all
<mdupont> anyone working on phpgw?
<btami> hi mdupont
<mdupont> hey dude
<mdupont> btami whats up?!
<btami> just reading mail and so
<btami> quiet days without subversions...
<mdupont> yeah
<mdupont> why not a distributed thing
<mdupont> maybe it is time to start working on the project transfer function
<mdupont> and using arch
<mdupont> instead of a central server thtat can get bitzch slapped so easily
<mdupont> hey btami, you want to test my new phpgw install?
<btami> how can i do that?
<mdupont> i will setup you with a uid and pwd
<mdupont> http://asimov.thefrontnetworks.net/phpgroupware
<mdupont> uid: btami
Action: mdupont is still setting it up
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> should work now
<mdupont> wait
<btami> :) "Blocked, too many attempts"
<mdupont> try bnow
<btami> Blocked, too many attempts :(
<mdupont> no really?
<mdupont> that is shit
<mdupont> hmmm
<btami> wait, have to go out(5 min)
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> np take your time
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<mdupont> ok
<btami> mdupont: login OK
<mdupont> settings reset btami
<mdupont> greeat
<btami> have to go, bbl
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<mdupont> bye
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<mdupont> tag lupo__
<lupo__> hallo
<lupo__> what's up
<mdupont> not much
<mdupont> i am playing with gnue
<lupo__> is cvs back?
<mdupont> and wondering why there are so many debug messages
<mdupont> no, not yet
<lupo__> haven't tried gnue for 2 months ...
<lupo__> any improvements that i should be interested in?
<lupo__> btw, i'm exploring introspector right now :)
<mdupont> i dont know, i never had it running
<mdupont> ever really
<mdupont> lupo__:  great to hear you are looking into the introspector
<mdupont> i have now a new machine
<mdupont> that is compiling the debian gcc
<mdupont> so i will finally make a proper deb 
<mdupont> for the gcc introspector patch
<mdupont> that you can just install with apt-get
<lupo__> nice
<mdupont> yeah
<mdupont> finally getting some of these new ebay pcs moving
<lupo__> i'm so shy when it comes to installing non-deb software on a debian system
<mdupont> i got like 10 og them
<mdupont> of
<mdupont> sure, and i think it is a pain that it is so hard to install the introspector modules
<mdupont> most people dont want to patch and build the gcc themselves
<lupo__> doesn't the gcc have clean interfaces so that you don't need to patch it?
<lupo__> and, do i understand correctly, you grab the abstract syntax tree from gcc?
<mdupont> it has an interface
<mdupont> but i want the rdf format
<mdupont> not this text format
<mdupont> and yes, i grab the asts
<lupo__> ah
<lupo__> btw, question to you as a gcc hacker: do you see a chance of implementing a python language frontend for gcc?
<mdupont> yes
<mdupont> i have started on the python introspector
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/09/PythonIntrospector.py
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/09/PythonAst.n3
<mdupont> the idea is to use python to emit data to the introspector
<mdupont> and then to transform that into the gcc 
<mdupont> i have been just seriously planning the RDF-->GCC input module
<mdupont> that will allow you to use rdf as a programming language
<mdupont> that can then be used from any introspector interface to generate native code
<mdupont> or c
<mdupont> lupo__: you should however look at
<mdupont> psyco and pirate
<mdupont> they are the handling the optimization and parroting of python
<mdupont> that would give you a start
<mdupont> if you can get your python to parrot
<mdupont> and then run a JIT on it
<mdupont> ....
<lupo__> crazy stuff :)
<lupo__> as far as i'm working with RDF (mainly creativecommons stuff), it seems that you can basically do your own meta-data markup with rdf. so you have your own rdf set of meta-data, i suppose!?
<mdupont> yes
<mdupont> i can show you some of that
<mdupont> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/09/ildasm_header_micront.owl
<mdupont> that is a micro ontology
<mdupont> i have more of those
<mdupont> basically my own vocabulary
<mdupont> and own meta-data
<mdupont> that describes the smallest parts of programs
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> talk to you later
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<mdupont> re jamest
<jamest> hi
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<mdupont> hi all
<mdupont> hi reinhard
<mdupont> i now have a gnu-e test platform
<mdupont> with all typs of funky stuff installed
<mdupont> i need some tips on how to test these gnu-e formes. the designer says it is incomplete
<mdupont> a new design i made
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<mdupont> hi ajmitch
<mdupont> hows the studies?
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<btami> hi
<mdupont> he btami
<btami> hi mdupont, how goes your gnueing?
<mdupont> ok
<mdupont> i dont understand what i need to do to start a project
<mdupont> in designre
<mdupont> it warns me that maybe i cannot run the projet
<mdupont> and the thing produces about 40 warnings
<mdupont> i assume that is normal
<btami> project?, you mean forms?
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<btami> designer is for making forms, and a little reports(wizard only)
<mdupont> yes
<mdupont> i get this message
<mdupont> the form def. you are about to save does not appear to be a workable definition.
<btami> you have at least 1 block defined
<btami> bound to datasource or unbound
<btami> use the grid-like icon
<btami> but first of all, don't use the latest cvs, use released 0.5.2 tgz
<btami> or debs
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<mdupont> ahh
<mdupont> i see
<mdupont> i am using debian
<mdupont> unstable
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<mdupont> i need to setup some stuff
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<mdupont> hey
<someon> 'lo
<mdupont> anyone know how i can test the login for gnue?
<mdupont> like the connection string
<mdupont> if it is working
<mdupont> is there a command line script to do that per chance?
Action: someon is more green to GNUe than you are
<someon> My connection to a MySQL DB on a different server "just worked"
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<someon> What is happening?
<someon> You get the login window, and then what?
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<damokles> Hi all
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<dcmwai> hum... savannah is down .. everybody should be free :)
<someon> dcmwai:  Is it down down, or is it just not accepting CVS traffic (Since Dec. 1)
<dcmwai> someon, total down :)
<someon> dcmwai, yeah, has been since beginning of the month...
<dcmwai> So :)
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<someon> so noone can update the GNUe code...
<someon> There are some interesting discussions in the IRC logs...
<someon> mdupont: did you get your login tested yet?
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<mdupont> someon hey
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<mdupont> does gnue-desig. reload the config file every time?
<mdupont> you try?
<mdupont> it hangs on DataSource connection
<mdupont> where you select the connnection
<mdupont> ahhh
<mdupont> pyscopg not found
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<mdupont> heay
<mdupont> so i got the pg driver loaded
<mdupont> now i all need to do i login
<damokles> reinhard, how have i to define Business Objects to use with the application server?
<damokles> bye
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<siesel> hi all
<siesel> derek: one question. If I close a dcl ticket, will the creator get an email?
<dtm> siesel: yes
<dtm> siesel: email on all status change
<siesel> dtm: thx.
<siesel> So I don't have to write an extra email :)
<dtm> siesel: yeah and i'm pretty sure it'll notify you in the page, that it sent an email to all involved parties
<siesel> it just send a mail to the responsible developer, but there was no notification about a mail to the contact email of the customer
<dtm> siesel: oic
<derek> siesel: yes
<derek> i have been getting ones you closed
<derek> siesel: no it will not email the "contact
<derek> "
<derek> this is a SERIOUS deficiency in DCL
<derek> i just accepted a patch to fix it the other day :)
<derek> just need to apply
<derek> it allows for comma separation as well
<derek> so if you wanted to add a bunch of people that are not DCL users to the ticket/work order you coudl do
<derek> mydog@barf.com, stevesdog@barf.com, johnsdog@barf.com
<derek> in contact email field
<derek> and they would all get it
<derek> less than elegant, but sufficient quick hack for now
<siesel> ok. so I need to send a mail to the "contact" :)
<derek> yes
Action: derek apologizes for originally misreading that the same way dtm did
Action: derek forgets we have email gateway up
<derek> so "creator" can be somone w/o a dcl login
<derek> at work we dont allow that 
<siesel> seems complicated.
<siesel> ok, going to bed. night all
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<dtm> i didn't misread it :)
<dtm> the creator gets an email.
<dtm> oh you have email gw, nm
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<reinhard> night all
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<dtm> i bet that ajmitch_ has the skinny on the status with savannah
<dtm> at least the executive summary of current status
<dtm> i see the status page on their site
<ajmitch_> savannah down. they fixing :P
<ajmitch_> hardware issues holding up progress
<dtm> very concise!
<dtm> the notice said they were replacing hardware; why is that?
<dtm> did they use the time as an unscheduled upgrade as well as cracker recovery?
<ajmitch_> because they already had a scheduled upgrade for this month
<dtm> oh ok
<ajmitch_> since they were having serious diskspace issues & load problems
<dtm> so it's as good a time as any
<ajmitch_> yeah
<dtm> ajmitch_: so are they still in recovery phase or just in upgrade phase?
<ajmitch_> dunno
<dtm> ok thanks ajmitch_ 
<dtm> i just updated #stratagus (formerly #freecraft)
<dtm> not that we know much anyway.
<dtm> ajmitch_ is our man on the inside
<ajmitch_> oh am I?
<dtm> well i guess so
<dtm> that's nicer to say than "free software netwhore"
<ajmitch_> since this info is available from public mailing list archives...
<dtm> 18:08 < mr-russ-win> I'm at least glad I have our cvs backed up from the day before it went down.
<dtm> yeah but you're the one who's subscribed to em all, and is in the irc channels
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<derek> anybody else here use debian (or linux) and have mozilla installed
<derek> as well as have a DCL account
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<SachaS> hi dcmwai
<dcmwai> Hello SachaS.
<dcmwai> life is quite without cvs ;)
Action: dcmwai is not affected... but gnue is...
<SachaS> i have not updated gnue for ages :(
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