<dtm> chillywilly: you said it as well as i could
<dtm> same here
<dtm> ajmitch: i hear that bruh
<dtm> it comes and it goes
<dtm> giveth, taketh away, etc
<chillywilly> ajmitch: how can I contribute to the "buy ajmitch some shoes" fund?
<ajmitch> oh don't bother about that
<ajmitch> contribute to the 'buy ajmitch some food' fund :)
<chillywilly> why not?
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> you got paypal?
<chillywilly> ;)
<dtm> ajmitch: is it gettin bad, dewd?
<ajmitch> heh no
<ajmitch> dtm: yeah
<chillywilly> hmmm, what happened to your summer job?
<ajmitch> haven't got paid any $$ yet
<chillywilly> bleh
<ajmitch> and I won't until end of next week :)
<chillywilly> bastids
<ajmitch> universities..
<chillywilly> no paypal account eh?
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<ajmitch> nope, I've never needed one
<dtm> ajmitch: so they're going to pay you on time though huh?
<chillywilly> how do you buy useless crap odd ebay? ;)
<ajmitch> dtm: apparantly so
<chillywilly> off
<ajmitch> hah
<ajmitch> buying useless crap is a waste of time ;)
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<dtm> so ajmitch is doing the standard student shuffle
<dtm> on schedule, but just barely
<ajmitch> :)
<dtm> and the accountz payabo' dept is in effect
<dtm> oh my.  i'm watching Quake 1 in xdosemu
<dtm> this is terrifying
<dtm> i set up dosemu so i could play Mechwarrior, but it keeps crashing
<ajmitch> ugh
<dtm> the whole idea is unsettling
<dtm> to say the least
<ajmitch> grab quake from debian
<ajmitch> or somewhere
<dtm> well i got it :)
<ajmitch> bbiab
<dtm> first i got the shareware levels
<dtm> from ftp.idsoftware.com
<chillywilly> damn thm and their shareware levels
<dtm> and so since i had dosemu i thought i'd use that to "deice" it
<dtm> hehe
<dtm> lol ok
<dtm> and it started up the demo!
<chillywilly> tired...
<chillywilly> la alala la al la la la la laaaaa
<dtm> and it runs ok
<dtm> 320x200
<dtm> no sound
<dtm> no env variables for sound, dont know why
<dtm> it emulates a sound blaster
<dtm> comes with freedos and a couple of fileutils
<dtm> i'll stop nauseating and revolting everyone now
<dtm> need to find which quake client is the best, without using a 3d card
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<dtm> ajmitch: don't be afraid to ask for grocery coupons or pantry items from your church  :)
<dtm> ajmitch: of course it tends to help when you know the staff
<dtm> so as to be discrete
<dtm> but i've had to do that, and they appreciate it going to people who they know are doing their best
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<dtm> ajmitch: ahoy
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<thierry> morning gnuers
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<mdupont> hey thierry
<thierry> hello mdupont
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<jamest> http://sql-info.de/mysql/
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<jamest> the horror, the horror
<chillywilly> oh plz
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<jamest> chillywilly: what?  you think that is desired behaviour from a DB?
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<jamest> ;)
<chillywilly> we've since switched to postgres ;)
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<Vee> dsmith: you find what you needed with xmltools? xmlclitools - Command-line tools for handling XML data. (GNU General Public License (GPL)), version: 1.52/2003-12-10 07:04:03, vitality: 0.05 popularity: 0.70, http://freshmeat.net/projects/xmlclitools/ maybe of interest if not..?
<mdupont> http://asimov.thefrontnetworks.net/phpgroupware/index.php uid : "guest" pwd: "" <NONE>
<Vee> Database error: Invalid SQL: UPDATE phpgw_async SET next=0,times='a:0:{}',method='none',data='a:3:{s:6:\"run_by\";s:8:\"fallback\";s:5:\"start\";i:1071050520;s:3:\"end\";i:0;}',account_id=0 WHERE id='##last-check-run##'
<Vee> PostgreSQL Error: 1 (ERROR: deadlock detected )
<Vee> File: /usr/local/www/data-dist/phpgroupware/phpgwapi/inc/class.asyncservice.inc.php
<Vee> Line: 518
<Vee> Session halted.
<mdupont> shit
<mdupont> what is that?
<Vee> hitting that link, no further action
<Vee> reloading the page and it goes away
<dsmith> Vee: Thanks
<Vee> dsmith: np
<mdupont> ahh
<mdupont> so there was a login problem?
<mdupont> let me test
<Vee> mdupont: I didnt try to login, only hit the page.
<mdupont> ahh
<mdupont> ok
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<dimas> Derek Thomson derek at wedgetail dot com <- isn't it one of you, guys? 
<dimas> j/k
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<chillywilly> anyone know how I can drop template1 ins postgres and recreate it using template0?
<mdupont> hmm
<mdupont> there are some init scripts
<mdupont> when you login as postgres
<mdupont> one of them is the initdb
<mdupont> shell
<mdupont> i was able to boostrap a mini postgres instal that i built
<mdupont> you need help with that? send me a ssh account
<chillywilly> initdb does the init on the disk
<chillywilly> I don't want to do that
<mdupont> read the source
<mdupont> you will see
<mdupont> whati
<mdupont> createdb
<mdupont> can show you how to make new templates
<nickr> explode
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<unknown> Is there a way to directly migrate from MS Great Plains to GNUe?
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<_loren> Is there a way to directly migrate from MS Great Plains to GNUe?
<jamest> nope
<_loren> jamest: suggestions?
<jbailey> What's Great Plains?
<jamest> we've got some pretty nice tools built
<jamest> but no turnkey apps to speak of
<jcater> jbailey: accounting package for businesses
<_loren> jbaukey: r u sure you want to know? ;)
<jamest> jcaters favoriate accounting app IIRC
<jbailey> Is there enough of GNUe to switch to?
<jamest> gnue works man
<jamest> it's just picky about who it works for
<jamest> =)
<jbailey> I didn't suggest that it didn't work.
<jbailey> I suggested that it didn't exist. =)
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<jamest> i suggest we chain down some of the people that expressed interest in creating turnkey apps 
<jamest> and make them crank stuff out until it's the same level of completeness as the tools wrt to basic functionality and bugs
<jbailey> Will you flog me too?
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<jamest> for you jbailey, of course i will
<jbailey> Awww, thanks.
<jamest> np
<jamest> think you could cry out "my internet is broke! my internet is broke!" while I do it?
<jbailey> That's not my usual thing, but I probably could.
<jamest> thanks
<jamest> time to go home and try and avoid real work
<jamest> l8r
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<dtm> ha
<dtm> that guy
<nickr> yea
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<dsmith> nickr: Are you up to an xslt question?
<nickr> okay
<dsmith> Trying to word the question...
<someon> use English...  It works easier that way :P
<dsmith> heh
<dsmith> I want to test if any of address-list/address/@email is not "".
<dsmith> There many be several address in address-list
<nickr> er?
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<dsmith> heh
<dsmith> <address-list><address email="foo@bar" /> <address email="" /></address-list>
<nickr> okay
<nickr> and?
<nickr> just have an address rule
<nickr> and.. I dunno, do something if you see a blank email
<dsmith> I want to test that at least one email is not ""
<nickr> Oh, I see
<nickr> hm
<nickr> wait
<nickr> why do you need to 'test' at all?
<dsmith> I'm doing an xsl:apply-templates if there are any
<nickr> ah I see.
<nickr> are there other things in the address list that you don't want to process if there aren't any?
<dsmith> nickr: I'm converting sylpheed address books into bbdb format
<nickr> that doesn't answer my question.
<dsmith> no
<nickr> oh
<dsmith> It's kinda tricky what I'm doing.
<nickr> okay
<dsmith> Bah, I'm in two conversations at once. My Son just came home.
<dsmith> If there are any addresses, they need to output as:
<dsmith> ("email@one" "email@two" "email@three")
<dsmith> but if noaddresses,
<dsmith> nil
<dsmith> So, I don't want to generate the '(' and ')' unless there is an email address.
<dsmith> bbiab
<nickr> I think I do a trick to do that in the dia one
<nickr> er something similar
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<dsmith> Hmm how about "count(address-list/address[@email!=''])"
<nickr> yea
<nickr> maybe
<dsmith> Except the != is bogus
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<dsmith> Cool, != *is* working.
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<dtm> dewd i just had eggnog and it's *sweet*
<dtm> *literally*
<alandd> I only get a little bit.
<alandd> 1/2 cup is 180 calories!
<alandd> but it is soooo goooood!
<derek> sup alandd
<derek> put enough alcohol in that 1/2 cup
<alandd> nothing up, really
<derek> and you will forget how many calories you are *allowed* to have anyhow
<derek> then you can have as much as you like :)
<alandd> Yea, I believe that!  No alcohol for me, though
<alandd> brb
<alandd> Im makin' spice cupcakes for the PLUG meeting (party?) tomorrow
<alandd> I had other big tech plans but my brain is already too mushy
<alandd> It's nice to hangout here with you all
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<dtm> alandd: awfully nice ofyou to say so
<dtm> alandd: same to you
<alandd> what's a good mysql admin tool?  I've got to start learning a FS/OSS database server.
<alandd> the description for mysqlcc looks good.
<Vee> phpmyadmin rocks
<alandd> web based? (php in the name)
<Vee> yes
<Vee> http://www.phpmyadmin.net/
<alandd> so you run a web server on the db server?
<Vee> they could be different servers
<Vee> you could setup phpmyadmin to manage multiple different servers, even
<alandd> that makes sense, look at the site now.
<alandd> look/looking
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Action: Vee tires out early this evening.. 
<Vee> nite
<alandd> sleep well
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