jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-49.wasp.net.au) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.173.251) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.174.112) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.174.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.174.112) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-237.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: md-afk -> mdupont hi reinhard, btami dcmwai ajmitch chillywilly derek and all you funky people GOOD MORNING! mdupont: Morning... What make you so happy today :) dcmwai: well, today i decided to change my life to listen more to friends and other people and not be so selfish and stupid PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-98-254.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi all hi Peter hi mdupont and al all Hi reinhard ingenius (~syntax@200.16.144.205) got netsplit. I installed gnue on mandrake 9.1 ingenius (~syntax@200.16.144.205) returned to #gnuenterprise. #gnuenterprise: mode change '+b *!*@199.243.96.2*' by stephenson.freenode.net and got segfault error massage during installation of forms ingenius (~syntax@200.16.144.205) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) ingenius (~syntax@200.16.144.205) joined #gnuenterprise. it looks that forms working OK I try to run appserver mdupont: that is an very interesting Change... but I would have to say something ... got mesasage that xmlrpc as protokol not supported dcmwai: please tell me mdupont: Take a middle line between what to like to do and what Other people like you to do. oop typo mdupont: Take a middle line between what you like to do and what Other people like you to do. like do unto others as you would like then to do unto you? ... PeterD: sorry on the phone People Always think do what other people like is always kind. but There are so many people out there, You might feel that you are actually Acting then "Living" :) Sure like setup a free support system or charge $1,50 an hour :) So. Do only what it is really rational. :) (YEP Rational is the word I want) mdupont: that is not rational ;) 1.50 can't lift your life :) yes ok rational is good stuff PeterD: the segfault in the installation process surprises me give me one pint of rational please as we never had such a thing like rational rose reinhard: I've heard of it before reinhard: on redhat or RUP = rational unified process PeterD: could you paste the exact error message here you get for appserver? ajmitch: ah yes? see what those lurkers are good for ;-) where importing pygtk & wxpython in the setup, caused python to segfault ok most systems handle it fine :) aaahhhh Action: reinhard remembers something in the very back of his brain it 'works for me' - eg no problems on debian ;) however if it's that, i wonder that forms works at all nah it's fine running forms because both UI drivers aren't loaded at once ajmitch: i had that problem before ajmitch: i mean that wxpython did not load at all [root@localhost GNUe-Forms-0.5.2]# ./setup.py install ajmitch: setup didn't finish, so the installation process can't be finished actually reinhard: hmm ok.. :) running install checking mxDateTime library checking Python ncurses library (pyncurses) (currently not working) checking Python curses library (curses) (currently not working) checking wxPython library: ok (2.4.0.6) Segmentation faul mdupont: your problem was more of a local system issue, right? looks familiar PeterD: can you please open setup.py and search the line "import pygtk" and comment out this line and the following 2 lines ajmitch: thats right (comment out = put a '#' in front of the line) it was a finding the right so in the haystack done SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-237.wasp.net.au) left irc: Excess Flood SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-237.wasp.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/3288381 <<<---- RATIONAL and IBM Be a Commerce Partner Best Deals on PDAs! 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Get the best price on Microsoft Visual Studio .NET Professional Edition or search for other development tools ?U.S. Gov't Computers Get Barely Passing Grade ?Shoppers Ring Up $8.5B in November 2003 Action: ajmitch suggests that mdupont quit for a min, to clear the backlog of a mistaken paste ?IAB: Ad Revenues Up 5 Percent in Q3 ?Paid Music Downloading, MP3 Player Sales Double ?Financial Services Customers Warmed by E-mail ?SCO Declares War on Linux ?ILM: Cradle to Grave Management ?Do you Comply? ?Microsoft's Legal Woes Near an End ?The War Against Spam December 11, 2003 How IBM Is Tucking in Its Rational Tools SHIT sorry!!!! how can i do that that's a relief just quit= ? I thought we were going to get the whole article as well mdupont: no need to do so now ok i am really sorryyy...... i just wante to paste the link and the title but if it's pasting away, it's the easiest way to stop it but the title had the header in it derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. hi derek waz_ (~chatzilla@203-213-96-153-nme-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) joined #gnuenterprise. wt (~merlinx@ppp191-101.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Client exiting" thierry (~thierry@musashi.xtensive.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-98-254.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left #gnuenterprise (""You run, never stop, got to win, got to run till you drop""). dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.174.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection waz_ (~chatzilla@203-213-96-153-nme-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au) left irc: siesel (jan@xdsl-195-14-220-28.netcologne.de) joined #gnuenterprise. hi hi hi siesel, mdupont siesel: you adjusted the mysql dbdriver to the new structure, arn't you? i'm trying to fix the interbase, but all modifications(insert/update/delete) seems OK, but when i quit from the form thy all lost i mean they are not in the db ok, seems to be a problem in the _post method for records is mysql workig well? I thought so, but I will check now again thanks mysql works as expected ok but it reminds me that not all postgresql sub drivers are updated :( all dbdrivers needs more or less work yet, i think yes :) and we need savannah back!!!! why is our cvs isn't on ash? any special reason? Action: btami knows gnue is a gnu project, but... it was on subversions.gnu.org for a long long time, even before there was a savannah I think. But as some others have a pointed out it would be a chance to switch to "subversion", or "arch" now. sigh you prefer "cvs", right? i never used subversion,erch,... arch me neither, but compared to cvs, it can be just better but as i know subversion is just a better cvs, yes so it's not a big thing to change (for developers) the only question remaining: is core wants to do this step? dunno. This is something we should talk about. I just know that using subversion f.e. would allow to move files and keep their version history better, but ... a drawback of a change would be the time to set it up, and it would mean, to give everybody an account on ash for everybody, why? 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Hello hi hi yo howdy sawadee khap dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.60.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Vee: ? ha ha ha get a load of this fewl ahh, you messup out greeting cascade, dsmith.. s/out/our ;) ? quote from gnue-dev "meet in IRC if at all possible and gain consensus and work out a plan" i don't know who this guy is but he obviously doesn't know us very well oh wait, derek@gnue.org that seems familiar Action: dsmith hangs head in shame Action: Vee hugs dsmith :) dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.60.19) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) joined #gnuenterprise. derek, jamest, jcater, et al: when should we meet? Action: jcater is more concerned with reinhard and btami being there as I think the rest of us are fairly much in agreement except for a few minor details well, the hardware we have is in the US so if we change it, it's not like they can get to it to change it back true but I don't want to lose our win32 packager argh! ok, you win over him not being familiar w/the new repository software and reinhard has been known to contribute occasionally :) so I'd at least like his opinion even if we overrule it err, I mean since we are a democracy you prefer "cvs", right? i never used subversion,erch,... arch me neither, but compared to cvs, it can be just better but as i know subversion is just a better cvs, yes so it's not a big thing to change (for developers) the only question remaining: is core wants to do this step? he doesn't say it very clear, but I think he would support it ok I dunno what reinhard thinks about it has anyone used arch? I have not we're using subvesion now too arhc is poorly documented therefore I did not want to try and use it subversion has a whole book and as he is a bit old fashioned in means of documentation formats (using texinfo), who knows ;) btw, to see all the web interfaces for svn just look at http://svn.collab.net they have html, xml, and viewcvs setup there and not to mention live help on #svn on this network they've been pretty helpful to me also, doing commit emails is pretty easy using their canned scripts I like the idea behind arch, but I never used it ... so going "subversions" seems the best solution IMHO jamest: I've avoided arch because the maintainer is an ass. I think it is call "subversion" w/ no 's' ;) svn is a better cvs///I love how it does "branches" and how the revision number is a global one and a cimple integer simple i talked to maintainer of arch the other night he REALLY wants us to move to arch tom lord? bah, sure he does im not so sure but where's the docs? Tom Lord really wants the world to love him, and send him money. a wiki != documentation jbailey: it wasnt tom lord jbailey: so do i derek: Tom Lord is the arch maintainer. need a mailing address? me mispoke... it was a core developer not maintainer ok Action: derek doesnt recall his name (so maybe it was tom lord) though that doesnt sound right derek: Was he an arrogant prick? If no, it wasn't Tom Lord. no lol all kinds of stuff is easy with svn hooks so it wasnt tom lord well arch is a gnu project but like I said I was not compelled enough to try it in my opinion of arch maintainer is an arrogant prick because of lack of documentation consider it qmail and we dont want to touch it the subversion book is nice seems to me there's more svn experience in this channel than arch im leanign towards subversions anyhow commit mails are cake compared to cvs (not that they were that bad there, just inconsistant) as thats what we are using elsewherer and jamest is using it and probably others I'll be using it to as soon as jamest sends me his setup =) jcater and i have been swaping code w/o protection do you guys evern have access to the gnue repos? he's got cfengine/cvs and I've got cfengine/svn setups that auto update the network on commits or are they in limbo it is so cool i managed to destroy the setup of 30 hosts with one bad commit yesterday =) so if we are going to use something new might as well be only one new thing :) chillywilly: they are in limbo anon only supposed to send us diffs so we can look for trojans so you can't get an actual tarball of the repo? but no one has them only anon checkout? yeah bleh Action: siesel would like to autoclose dcl tickets with commit messages (like debian changelog stuff) fire up yer emacs/vi ;) ummm so could we stay with savannah and have our cake and eat it too i.e. we use subversions on ash and have it autoupdate savannah cvs? on commit derek: On commit is too hard, but there's a bunch of projects that rsync automatically to savannah a couple times a day. if so that would be the bomb gcc does that. rsync is fine but do they go savannah to gcc or gcc to savannah ok, lets do the "gcc way" gcc to savannah. basically i dont think we want to spit on savannah we just need to do what meets our needs It's a one way sync for anon access only. if we can do that and give the credit to FSF im down with that jbailey that sounds PERFECT as one thing we dont want to do on ash (or why we didnt move in the past) is we didnt want to offer anon that solves the security issues too yeah now we could basically have botth good solid cvs in ash and anon on subversions with "backup" in case of something liek this might be just the solution we wanted :) that would be nice so the big issue would be the svn -> cvs script which shouldn't really be hard I'm sure someone must've done it already. Hmm. didn't have luck when googling Although, I wonder if it's actually possible. Because svn supports so many ops that cvs doesn't. i think a script would do it commit hook calls script cd /usr/local/checkout svn up cvs commit ah crap dir movements would get butchers Ayup. And you'd lose all branch ops. ah crap (Not that you guys do that anyway. But you theoretically might one day) Action: jamest thwaps jbailey Plus you'd have to figure out removes. Adds are easy. don't point out all the flaws in our plans! ooooo But cvs insists that you provide file names to remove. just migrate savannah to svn jamest: Yeah yeah yeah. That's why I wasn't on your list of people to consult, wasn't it? then our problems are solved I should probably be hurt, shouldn't I? it's nothing against you jbailey Unhuh. it's just you're canadian GOD SHAVE THE QUEEN! we can't let the drugs cloud our already poor decisions I don't think this is that big a deal I don't particularly care about maintaining cvs history in this anon directory so why can't it just be a fresh import Then what's the point of providing cvs? if anything more than an add or update happens jcater: Rev numbers would be screwed.