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<PeterD> Hi all
<PeterD> Hi reinhard
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<jamest> reinhard: have you tried the svn checkout?
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<jamest> siesel: i could not find the post-commit hook w/ CIA support
<jamest> i just created a basic email only one
<jamest> but didn't test it
<siesel> I had moved it into /var/svn/gnue/hooks/
<jamest> um
<siesel> and already enabled it 
<jamest> wtf?
<siesel> but, whuaaaahhhhhh, you overwrote it :(
<jamest> i musta wiped it during the dump/load
<jamest> as there wasn't one there last night
<jamest> so I added one
<siesel> I added it after you converted to 0.33
<siesel> but you probably updated the repository again
<jamest> i dunno :(
<jamest> that's wierd though
<siesel> no problem, it wasn't very difficult, so I add the code again
<jamest> as when I couldn't find it i checked to see if you already added it
<jamest> and since nothing was there I just copied a default one 
<siesel> yeah, strange.
<jamest> yeah, i like svn's hook system
<siesel> its really cool
<jamest> much easier than cvs's IMHO
<siesel> I already thought of adding a "latest commits" page to our webpage 
<siesel> as everything is so easy
<jamest> sounds good to me
<jamest> yeah
<siesel> ok, commits are send to CIA again :)
<jamest> :)
<siesel> jamest: we have a problem, have a look:
<siesel> -rw-rw-r--    1 root     gnue      1048536 Dec 16 17:03 log.0000000591
<siesel> -rw-r--r--    1 jamest   jamest      20963 Dec 16 17:03 log.0000000592
<siesel> in /var/svn/gnue/db/
<jamest> just need to set the sticky bit
<siesel> ok. you're the unix guru :)
<jamest> fwiw: find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} \;
<jamest> but that reminds me
<jamest> i think at work I had to wrapper the svnserve command to properly set the umask
<siesel> do you found that wrapper?
<jamest> ?
<jamest> ah, no
<jamest> i'm trying to get something done for a client
<jamest> in the next 15 minutes
<siesel> I put a wrapper at /home/jan/svnserve pointing to a /usr/bin/svnserve.real
<jamest> you're the man
<siesel> ...without root access ;)
<jamest> :)
<jamest> just a second
<jamest> i have a client that has found an issue that occurs 3/100th of 1 percent of the time
<jamest> an issue that has absolutely no impact on their bottom line
<jamest> it involves a skipped invoice number 
<jamest> which involves accounting
<jamest> which means the sky is falling
<jamest> i'll install it when I get to work
<jamest> sorry for the delay
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<jcater> it would be a sad day for users the world round, from manhattan to, err, manhattan
<SachaS> chillywilly, your here?
<chillywilly> yea, wassup?
<SachaS> got something about rest
<SachaS> amazon supporting rest
<SachaS> see yas
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<btami> hi all
<dsmith> Good (UGT) Morning
<btami> man, finally i have a nice wlan connection from home after many years with dial-in !
<btami> and my D-Link DWL-520+ PCI wors with linux !!!
<jcater> cool
Action: btami is a happy man now
<jcater> you have more bandwidth to the internet now?
<btami> yes
<jcater> good timing
<jcater> because you'll need it
<jcater> our svn checkout is huge
<jcater> :)
<btami> befor now i used 56k external modem
<btami> from home
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<jamest> beefy!
<btami> :)
Action: jcater is checking it all out
<jbailey> You need to checkout *only* the right branch.
<jcater> to clean it up a bit
<jamest> trunk
Action: jamest restarted with only truck
<jamest> trun
<jamest> sigh
<jbailey> The rest is just a waste of bandwidth - It's part of why offering an anonymous svn checkout isn't such a good idea.
<jamest> t r u n k
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<jcater> how do you specify trunk?
<jamest> svn co svn+ssh://www.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk
<jamest> which gives you trunk
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<wendall911> jbailey: thank you for the normalized data information. It was a big help. I normally do everything that way, just didn't know why. The puppy thing was really great. Serialized arrays == bad.
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<jcater> one thing I really don't like about svn
<jcater> is that it doesn't remember your username
<jcater> :-/
<siesel> how comes?
<siesel> btw. it looks like something is wrong, I have to wait too long for an svn update, even svnlook info . take years.
<ajmitch> morning
<siesel> hi ajmitch
<siesel> btw. we need to update svn 0.33 soon, as using 0.33 on both client and server has very bad performance (fixed by 0.33.1)
<jcater> siesel: my username on ash is jcater
<jcater> everywhere else is jason
<jcater> only way I can find to specify username for svn
<jcater> is to set an environment variable
<jcater> which screws up my other checkouts
<jcater> it tres sucks
<jcater> something's wack w/it right now
<jcater> it won't update for me
<jcater> I've had one hanging for 40 minutes now
<jcater> but 20 minutes before that it worked fine
<jcater> sigh
<siesel> yeah me too
Action: jcater has no idea what that can be
<siesel> there is a large checkout being done.
<siesel> but that shouldn't lock the repository 
<jcater> where?
<btami> my checkout was smooth
<jcater> btami: when?
<jcater> all mine were smooth until about an hour ago
<jcater> and since then, none of them work
<siesel> even svnlook which is readonly don't work
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<jcater> which takes a while
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<siesel> What about installing 0.35 on the server, although there is no debian package yet we have some bugs fixed (f.e. long wait after checkout etc.)
Action: jcater will look at that later today
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<siesel> btw. something important: don't kill running svn commands, because (mail from January, don't know if it changed)
<siesel> the need for some way to support cancelation of long running svn
<siesel> commands is a well known issue, and it will be fixed at some point (we
<siesel> know how to do it, it's just a 'small matter of programming'), but for
<siesel> now, if you kill a process that's accessing the repository directly, you
<siesel> risk leaving locks around and generally making the filesystem unhappy
<siesel> (which can be corrected with svnadmin recover).
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> I think that's what happened
<jcater> that sucks
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<btami> jcater: now 21.50 here, it was about 19.00-19.25
<jcater> dsmith: I'm having conflicted fealings
<jcater> feelings, even
<siesel> if we need more stability, what about bitkeeper ? ;) 
Action: siesel runs
<dsmith> Arch just relased 1.1 yesterday.
<jcater> I think that fails one of reinhard's conditions
Action: jcater isn't familiar at all w/arch
<jcater> what's the premise behind it?
<dsmith> I want to like svn better than arch.
<dsmith> jcater: Overcome the failing of cvs, basically
<dsmith> tla (arch) is supposed to be good for distributed repos.
<jcater> sigh
<jcater> recovery takes a while
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<dtm> siesel: ;)
<dtm> siesel: oh man, regarding the bitkeeper debacle with the Linux kernel, it was so satisfying to see people on slashdot say "i often dont agree with RMS's radicalism, but let's face it.  it's as simple as this.  this is one time when RMS was right and Linus was wrong."
<reinhard_> bitkeeper debacle?
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<siesel> dtm: I agree with you. 
<siesel> So shoot Larry M. not me ;)
<dtm> h0h0h0
<dtm> hey i wouldn't shoot ya bro
<dtm> just makin ya dance a little bit
<siesel> just let me dance, right :)
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<dtm> everybody likes dancin!
<dtm> especially the jokesters
<siesel> jcater: probably the still running "svnserve -t" make svnadmin recover take so much time
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<siesel> jcater: can you do a "chmod g+rw /var/svn/gnue/db/*" ?
<siesel> as the repository is locked now.
<jcater> done
<jcater> how bizarre
<jcater> we'd already done that before
<jbailey> Are your umasks maybe set wrong?
<siesel> we have no umask wrapper around svnadmin
<jbailey> I don't know svn at all, so it's just a guess. =)
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<siesel> permissions for svn/gnue are wrong again :(
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<Vee> hah.. that's one hell of a subject on that commit message.. :)
<jcater> lol
<jcater> I'm trying to DDoS y'alls email client
<jcater> good thing elm isn't in use anymore !
<jcater> oh, wait....
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<jamest> (happens to be one of my elm users too - a bonus! :)
<jamest> ksu math: keeping the old software alive since 1735
<jcater> how's that difference engine performing for ya?
<jamest> Ye Ole Electronic Quill 0.0.0pre1
<dtm> :-o
<dtm> jamest: math dept doesn't get any funding coz they can get by on the sparc 1+
<dtm> jamest: when i was there, the head advisor said the total annual grants were $100,000-200,000 
<dtm> whereas engineering was in countless millions
<jcater> sparc 1?
<dtm> jcater: they're frugal and efficient
<jcater> I thought he was still on the TRS-80s
<jamest> I'm getting an upgrade!
<jamest> rock!!!
<jamest> you laugh
<dtm> jcater: well, they were running the trs-80 emulator on the sparc 1+
<jamest> i retired a sun 3/80 about 18-24 months ago
<dtm> jcater: written in fortran
<jamest> that's a motorolla based sun
<jamest> far below the sparc 1 in performance
<dtm> i can envision a loadavg of 1.0 when runnin xearth on that
<dtm> jamest: what was it doing?
<jamest> in the end it was a disk terminal for a professor
<dtm> what's a disk terminal?
<jamest> the sparc 1s (2 of them) were font servers
<jamest> s/disk/diskless
<dtm> oh
<dtm> crap yeah
<jamest> i retired them when the dual Athlon <i forget> MHz came online
<dtm> jamest: well perhaps you'll recall that when i was the sysadmin of CSS, my terminal was a vt100 attached to the serial port of a sparcstation 2, which I had to share.
<jamest> the issue with math vs eng or phys is need
<jamest> the univeristy has overhead with every grant
<jcater> how does freecell run on this sparcs?
<jamest> i don't know the numbers but if the prof needs X dollars then submit that grant app the some university body
Action: jcater is thinking of average load, here
<jamest> that body does X*1.xx 
<jamest> that xx percent is overhead which is split between the main campus and the department to service that grant
<jamest> now if you are in eng or phys and you're doing a grant chances are you need
<jamest> <insert some 6 figure piece of speciallized equipment here>
<jamest> so you get ###,### * 1.xx
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<jamest> in math most is more abstract, the most complicated piece of equipment you need might be a PC and Matlab, Maple, Mathematica
<jamest> so you get #,### * 1.xx
<dtm> that's the problem with mathematicians.  they're so abstract.
<dtm> half of em i worked with needed to focus on laundry
<jamest> since xx is a fixed amount
<jamest> they get more overhead
<jamest> i know phys blows more on 1 piece of computing equipment than my yearly budget
<jamest> as they are nice enough to show me their toys once in a while
<dtm> Shirley, the math dept can use more for stuff like simulations, dont they?
<dtm> or massive algorithms?
<dtm> the next breakthrough like factoring prime numbers (according to Bill Gates)
<jamest> few of our profs do computational intensive math
<jamest> those that do have accounts on the bigger ksu equip
<jamest> or only need it once in a great while so write custom apps on my hardware
<jamest> a dual A2000 with 2GB of ram is a beast of a machine in a lot of cases
<jcater> nah
<jcater> just have them do research w/mozilla and thesis in openoffice
<jcater> it'll bring up the grant needs
<jamest> or like in jcater's case a dual A2000 is a great way to study segfaults on a daily basis
<jcater> no kidding
<dtm> it segfaults very quickly
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<dneighbo> <jamest> or like in jcater's case a dual A2000 is a great way to study segfaults on a daily basis
<dneighbo> <jcater> no kidding
<dneighbo> and he makes fun of me for breaking stuff
<jamest> :)
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<chillywilly> hey dneighbo 
<chillywilly> how can I get a hold of xkill in Gnome?
<chillywilly> dneighbo: gdesklets are pretty sweet dude
<chillywilly> guess there's no key combo
<chillywilly> bah
<dneighbo> what is xkill?
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<chillywilly> are you serious? ;)
<Vee> 2.6.0 finalized.. t00t
<chillywilly> it changes your mouse pointer then whatever you click on sends that task a kill -9
<chillywilly> I can't get rid of this one desklet but xkill killed them all
<dtm> hehehe
<dtm> blamblamblamblamblam
<wendall911> chillywilly: you should change your pointer to a hammer or gun when you use that...sound effects would be cool too
<wendall911> hammer pointer with breaking glass sound effect
<chillywilly> kde has skull and cross bones
<chillywilly> but I don't want no stinking sound effects
<chillywilly> I need to take a screenshot
<dtm> also there's a patch to Doom on a host level and on a network level
<dtm> to send different kill signals or sploits
<chillywilly> http://www.libertyetech.com/screenshots/fun-with-gdesklets.png
<chillywilly> how you like that homie?
<dtm> it's Aqua(tm) city!
<chillywilly> well yea it's an osX ripoff ;)
<dtm> hey plus it's got a menu bar
<dtm> which is technically correct
<chillywilly> you see that on menubar under the one with the gnome foot
<nickr> you guys should use a good wallpaper that isn't like 5 years ago
<chillywilly> that's the one I can't get to go away
<wendall911> damn, that's a phatty desktop chillywilly
<nickr> that desktop would really shine with my Serene Blue Cubes 2.0 wallpaper
<chillywilly> s/on/one/
<chillywilly> nickr: url?
<wendall911> nickr: that's the last time debian had a release
<wendall911> hehe
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/backgrounds/blender/CubeFractalBlue-5s.jpg
<chillywilly> a nickr original?
<chillywilly> what res is that thing at?
<nickr> of course a nickr orig
<nickr> 1280
<chillywilly> cool
<dtm> no!  do not listen to nickr!  he is an insane artist!
<wendall911> chillywilly: how do you do the ximian calendar on the desktop like that?
<dtm> oh wait, that means he knows what he's talking about, nm
<chillywilly> weee
<chillywilly> that si serious fscking with my brain ;)
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> all teh translucent thingies are gdesklets
<chillywilly> the
<nickr> screenshot, screenshot
<wendall911> i see
<chillywilly> ok
<chillywilly> http://www.libertyetech.com/screenshots/cubes-gdesklets.png
<wendall911> running vanilla sources chillywilly?
<chillywilly> cemetery gates
<chillywilly> man I hate esd
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<Vee> http://bewb.biz/moonfull.jpg is my background.. but I dont ever see it.. :(
<chillywilly> purty
<nickr> btw there is a red version of that background
<dtm> yeah if i ever see my background, somethin'gs wrong
<chillywilly> nickr: cool
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/backgrounds/blender/CubeFractalRed-5s.jpg
<nickr> and a gradient from blue to red
<nickr> which is *tres*
<nickr> but I use the red one right now
<wendall911> looks like a scene out of Hellraiser
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> yea
<Vee> that red one pisses me off
<chillywilly> derek likes red
<nickr> I love the red one
<chillywilly> I need this one desklet to go away
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/backgrounds/blender/CubeFractalRed-To-Blue-5s.jpg
<chillywilly> and the simple right clicking thing does not bring up the desklet context menu so I can remove it
<nickr> this one is the red-to-blue one
<nickr> which most people seem to lik.e the best
<chillywilly> damnit, go away
<chillywilly> little desklet bitch
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<nickr> well
<nickr> there is a preflipped
<nickr> http://nick.industrialmeats.com/proj/art/backgrounds/blender/CubeFractalBlue-To-Red-5.jpg
<chillywilly> :-o
<chillywilly> pretty
<nickr> hmm
<nickr> I like the red on top better
<nickr> because it feels nice
<nickr> I dunno
<nickr> its like I'm floating in just the perfect part of the water
<wendall911> will those desklets work with any wm?
<chillywilly> I think so
<chillywilly> you have to run the daemon
<chillywilly> then you can add them...but I use nautilus to fire them up
<chillywilly> must be a way to do it manually though
Action: chillywilly grooves to dream theater
<chillywilly> heh, there's a debian cow desklet
<chillywilly> coool, seti desklets
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