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<matiu> I was told there may be some New Zealanders that know python here?
<reinhard> -ajmitch- TIME Sun Dec 21 00:38:24
<dimas> matiu: ajmitch is his name :)
<reinhard> he might be asleep now
<matiu> cool
<reinhard> if you have a question you might try to ask anyway
<matiu> I was hoping to find some programmer to work on a couple of projects with me here in NZ
<reinhard> ah oh
<matiu> thanks though
<matiu> so how's gnuenterprise coming along?
<matiu> anything usable yet?
<reinhard> the tools are working pretty nicely
<reinhard> several people use forms, reports and designer in productivity applications
<dimas> matiu: leave info how to contact you and ajmitch will see from the backlog
<matiu> dimas, do you think he'll check?
Action: ajmitch is sortof here
<ajmitch> who told you such a thing about me?
<matiu> ajmitch, please give me a ring: 09 414 2460
<matiu> dimas, 
<ajmitch> matiu, I'm in Dunedin, and it's past midnight..
<matiu> aw, I was hoping to find someone in Auckland
<matiu> It'll be good to be able to chat to someone close by though
<matiu> ajmitch, do you know of any other kiwi pythonist?
<reinhard> isn't there a #python channel here?
<ajmitch> sure, there are plenty
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> why do you need a kiwi to help?
<matiu> To get through my contracts faster
<matiu> spread the load
<ajmitch> ah ok 
<ajmitch> what sort of work is it?
<matiu> wxPython, PostgresQL and Twisted
Action: ajmitch has used 2 of the 3 :)
<matiu> I bet twisted is the odd one out
<ajmitch> yup
<ajmitch> I haven't looked at it much yet
<matiu> it is a bit quicky
<ajmitch> since I've been using webware for web apps
<matiu> what
<matiu> what's webware?
<ajmitch> webware.sf.net
<ajmitch> web app framework with appserver, template stuff, etc
<matiu> ajmitch, do you do python in a fulltime payed job?
<ajmitch> I'm currently doing  a job with python & gtk2 at the moment
<dimas> ajmitch: are they support postgresql now?
<ajmitch> no, parttime
<ajmitch> still at university
<ajmitch> dimas: hmm?
<ajmitch> dimas: with webware I've been using the database directly
<dimas> ajmitch: ok
<matiu> ajmitch, If you ever come up to auckland, come and visit :)
<ajmitch> sure, I'm up there for 6 hours or so in a couple of weeks ;)
<matiu> 6 hours!?
<ajmitch> on my way to melbourne
<matiu> Stay longer on your way back
<matiu> What date are stopping by Auckland?
<matiu> Maybe we can have coffee in the airport?
<ajmitch> flying direct from melbourne to dunedin on the return flight
<ajmitch> I'm getting into the airport at ~8:20pm
<ajmitch> and my flight leaves at 6am for melbourne
<ajmitch> flying in on 6th, out on 7th
<matiu> ajmitch, are you planning to hang out in the airport?
<ajmitch> yeah
<ajmitch> easier to stay awake than trying to get in at 4am
<matiu> I will come and meet you
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> you've got a bit of work on at the moment then?
<matiu> Do you have a photo?
<ajmitch> one moment
<matiu> yes a not too bad
<matiu> I'm bieng bogged down more by Delphi stuff though
<ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dhis.org/Images/ajmitch.jpg
<ajmitch> right
<ajmitch> well, I should either be able to help with your work or I know people who can help
<matiu> cool, it'll be good to meet you ajmitch
<matiu> I'll wait for you flight to come in and hold a sign up like in the movies
<matiu> AJMITCH
<ajmitch> alright :)
<ajmitch> I just checked - it's a domestic qantas flight from christchurch arriving at 8:20 
<matiu> do you know the number?
<ajmitch> yep
<ajmitch> qf4154
<ajmitch> 6th of Jan
<matiu> Cool man, I'll be waiting at the gate :)
<ajmitch> alright
<ajmitch> time for me to get in a couple of hours sleep :)
<matiu> OK, good night ajmitch
<ajmitch> night
<matiu> thanks dimas for introducing us :)
<dimas> np :)
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<siesel> hi
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<dneighbo_> wassup dawgs
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<jbailey> Not much, gee!
<jbailey> derek: Do you know if DCL is scheduled to get some serious UI love?
<jbailey> (brb)
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<chillywilly> hey homies what's the url to check out the whole thing? Or do you not have anon yet?
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<siesel> its: svn co svn+ssh://ash.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk
<siesel> but that means you need an ssh account, i.e. no anon access up to now.
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<chillywilly> siesel: bah
<dimas> what validating parser do we have in python?
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<btami> siesel: why "Sender: commit-gnue-bounces+btami=freemail.hu@gnu.org" in _all_ commit-gnue mails?
<btami> can you fix it?
<psu>  i believe this is deliberate
<psu> the mailer automatically appends the address it is sending to on each e-mail
<psu> that way, when a mail bounces, it gets sent back to a "ficticious" address on the server
<psu> that identifies who it bounced from
<psu> if that makes sense 
<btami> but this is in _all_ commints made by jcater/siesel/btami
<psu> yes - in the copies sent to you
<psu> if I was subscribed, the sender would be commit-gnue-bounces+psu=burdonvale.co.uk@gnu.org
<psu> etc
<btami> ok, it means my english needs more polishing :)
<wendall911> you guys seen the Lampadas stuff yet? Plan on using it if so?
<btami> thanks psu
<psu> wendall911: cool front page quote - I've heard it several times in this channel
<psu> Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is VERY good; and when it's bad, it's still better than nothing at all.
<psu> I know the guys have tried various authoring tools, and none of them have qquite hit the mark
<psu> Everything from Lyx to openoffice
<wendall911> psu: same for my project
<wendall911> psu: that's why I always ask
<wendall911> psu: to be honest, it sounds too good to be true. Being adopted by tldp.org and the Gnome documentation project grabbed my attention though.
<psu> the fact that their website uses zope + plone probably gets them brownie points around here ;-)
<derek> have a url
Action: derek is too lazy to read back log
<psu> www.lampadas.org does it for me
Action: psu googled
<psu> and for once, our own IRC log didn't come up first hit ;-)
<derek> the problem i see is it looks webbased
<derek> and WRITING stuuff as web based would absolutely suck wind
<wendall911> derek: agreed
<wendall911> derek: however, because it uses Zope, the libs may be useable
<wendall911> derek: writing a python gui for a desktop client would be simple
<wendall911> derek: corrction: We are currently in the process of porting our business objects over from our old mod_python platform onto our new architecture using Zope, CMF and Plone.
<derek> hmm overall stuff looks interesting
<derek> i.e. the "feature list has what would be nice for us"
<derek> in reality looks they are not even REMOTELY close to delivering the features
<wendall911> derek: agreed
<derek> from http://www.lampadas.org/doc/roadmap
<derek> Support DocBook SGML/XML and LinuxDoc SGML is necessary but looks like they have no idea how to do
<ajmitch> hi
<derek> Provide Additional Output Formats another major mandatory but not nearly ready
<derek> CVS Support which is mandatory, but its close to being ready
<wendall911> derek: yeah, I was basing my interest on tldp.org and Gnome documentation project involvement. That might have been more like: "yeah if you think you can pull it off, we'd use it"
<derek> Publish a Static Site for Mirroring is a must for us
<derek> this looks very interesting
<derek> just not close enough for us to us (i think)
<derek> er use
<derek> personally i dont like zope
<derek> even though its python
<wendall911> derek: agreed
<derek> but that is based on my experience with zope nearly 2.5 to 3 years ago
<wendall911> derek: i guess if you did, there wouldn't be a GNUe app server ;)
<ajmitch> weeee
Action: ajmitch grabs gnue from subversion
<ajmitch> it was broken when I tried yesterday :)
<wendall911> derek: I think they misrepresented a bit with the Lampadas press releases. After reading the roadmap, I can agree that they aren't even close to having anything working. They do have a great plan though.
<chillywilly> hmmm, I have no access ;)
<dtm> chillywilly: Yes, well.  You see...  the group has taken on new administration, and there have been some *changes* around here.
<dtm> chillywilly: hi there what's up
<chillywilly> bah
<chillywilly> work and stuff
<dtm> noted
<dtm> chillywilly: you wouldn't believe how many people come into #interchange and say "omg is IC better than osC?  PLEASE TELL ME IT IS."
<chillywilly> heheh
<chillywilly> osC sucks
<dtm> and they say "oh man i dont want to badmouth a project" and I say "that's ok, then i'll do it"
<dtm> takes me 5 mins to explain to them why they should never use anything but IC
<chillywilly> IC has a much better schema
<dtm> which is neato seeing how half of them are already aware of the alternatives
<chillywilly> among other things
<dtm> chillywilly: how's scotty
<chillywilly> ok
<dtm> is he getting to be a mighty hacker?
<chillywilly> he was sick and stayed home a few days last week
<chillywilly> heh, no ;P
<chillywilly> he likes playing TMNT via zsnes on my laptop w/ me on the desktop ;)
<chillywilly> he big into the ninja turtles since they brought them back'
<chillywilly> but who can blame him ;)
<chillywilly> ninja turtles kick butt
<chillywilly> everyone go to: http://www.sportsline.com/nextel and vote for Green Bay ;)
<dtm> h0h0h0
Action: dtm obeys
Action: chillywilly prepares to watch the vikings loose ;)
<chillywilly> while writing perl
<dtm> done.
<wendall911> ouch painful
<chillywilly> no way
<dtm> "If you're looking for a recipe how to piss off your customers, screw up your employees, alienate your partners this book is for you: it has a
<dtm>              detailed description how to achieve all that based on Larry Ellison's extensive experience."  "No thanks. I think I'll wait for Crazy as a
<dtm>              Sh*thouse Rat: The Darl McBride Story." -- slashdot
<dtm> the SCO types sure have a penchant for bizarre CEO names.  first Ransom Love, then Darl McBride.
<chillywilly> haha
<dtm> i wonder what the causality is there
<chillywilly> this is my brother Darl and my other brother Darl
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> are they crazy because of their names?  were they recruited because of their crazy names?  or becaues they themselves are crazy?
<dtm> chillywilly: lol
<dtm> bravo
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<chillywilly> I try
<dtm> Sweet.
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<chillywilly> bah
<ajmitch> yes
<ajmitch> chillywilly: what you mean, you don't have ash access?
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<chillywilly> ajmitch: nope
<ajmitch> hmm, I see a /home/baumannd, I guess you don't have your ssh key there :)
<chillywilly> hmmm
<chillywilly> I don't remember my password either it seems ;)
<ajmitch> silly
<dtm> sysadmin to the rescue!
<chillywilly> the sysadmins don't like me
<ajmitch> 1337 h4x0r dtm to the rescue!
<ajmitch> chillywilly: want me to root the box & set you up an account? ;)
<chillywilly> yea ;)
<chillywilly> r0t
<chillywilly> r00t it
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<reinhard_> night all
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