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<thierry> morning gnuers
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<dsmith> Grrr.  firebird (and mozilla) isn't accepting any keys. Can't google for what's broke!
<dsmith> Anyone know what's casuign that?
<chillywilly> nope
<chillywilly> use galeon ;)
<chillywilly> no browser can beat galeon's tabbing anyway ;)
Action: dsmith apt-get installs konqueror
<chillywilly> and myportal: is pretty cool too
<dsmith> chillywilly: Except for firebord
<dsmith> bird
<chillywilly> firebird requires you to install some special extention to get decent tabbing
<chillywilly> extension
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<dsmith> Yeah, that may be.  Firebird is pretty thin out-of-the-box.
<dsmith> But installing some extensions is no problem.
<chillywilly> the extensions aren't that great though ;)
<dsmith> Bah! galeon has mozilla conflicts.
<chillywilly> it shouldn't
<chillywilly> I have firebird, mozilla, and galeon installed
<dsmith>   galeon: Depends: mozilla-browser (>= 2:1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
<dsmith> E: Broken packages
<chillywilly> wth are you using?
<chillywilly> unstable?
<dsmith> Testing
<chillywilly> that's probably why then
<chillywilly> wtf uses testing ;)
<dsmith> Only the coolest of the cool.
<chillywilly> nope, the cool kidz use sid
<dsmith> Not when they have work to do, and don't have time to mess around.
<chillywilly> yea, cause it takes so much time to upgrade ;)
<chillywilly> NOT
<dsmith> No. Because it takes too much time to discover packaging bugs.
<dsmith> Or rather, to fix them once broken.
<chillywilly> no, it doesn;t
<dsmith> The following NEW packages will be installed:
<dsmith>   kate kcontrol kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kfind konqueror libarts1 libartsc0 libaudio2
<dsmith>   libkonq4 libqt3c102-mt libvorbisfile3 libxcursor1
<dsmith> Ugh
<chillywilly> apt-get install list-changes
<chillywilly> apt-get install list-bugs
<chillywilly> or whatever those things are called
<dsmith> I know. I've lived in unstable for years.
<dsmith> Testign has been very very trouble free.
<dsmith> This has been the *only* glitch.
<dsmith> And I'm starting to figure out why.  It may have been some stuff I installed from unstable for bluetooth and subversion.
<chillywilly> only unstable bug that bit big wasa  glibc upgrade a while back
<chillywilly> like years ago
<chillywilly> I remember I tried to install ad upgrade straight toi unstable and ended up w/ a really broken and unusable system
<dsmith> I've had many many times when my system was unusable.  All fonts where just little boxes, for example.
<chillywilly> yea, I remember that happening but I worked around ti somehow...there's really nothing that I haven't been able to fix myself ;)
<dsmith> True
<dsmith> I always got my systyem back one way or another.
<dsmith> But that's the point.  I had to fix it.
<chillywilly> unstable just reqwuires more attention on upgrade cause things can break...sometimes packages don't want to install but you usually can --force-overwrite or whatever ;)
<dsmith> Yep.  More attention.  People with Work To Do can't afford the extra time.
<chillywilly> then don't upgrade
<dsmith> Yes.
<chillywilly> that's a BS excuse ;)
<jcater> unstable has fscked me over at work more than once
<jcater> but I still run it on my personal workstation
<chillywilly> hence it is called unstable ;)
<chillywilly> I won't run it on a server
<jcater> I had the bright idea last week of upgrading one of my ltsp stations to sarge
<jcater> thinking they were getting ready to release
<jcater> so it must be like woody was in its last months
<jcater> um
<jcater> big mistake
<jcater> sarge sucks balls atm
<dsmith> jcater: What broke?
<jcater> cups
<jcater> kde
<jcater> samba
<jcater> I had to grab a few packages out of unstable just to get it working again
<dsmith> Is there a way to know when packages were installed or upgraded? Like an install log?
<dsmith> I don't remember ever seeing anything like that.
<jcater> dunno
<jcater> I actually did this w/two servers
<jcater> one was a fresh woody install
<chillywilly> dsmith: apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges
<dsmith> The thing is, I didn't upgrade anything between Friday and Today.
<chillywilly> well, did you look in the bugs database?
<dsmith> No, I've been installing konqueror and galeon
<dsmith> I'm only pulling about 12KB/sec
<dsmith> Cannot find schema for galeon preferences!
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<dsmith> Heh. A reboot fixed firebird.
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<jcater> hey psu
<psu> hiya
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<psu> & completed shopping
<psu> jus' hanging loose now
<jcater> cool
<jcater> well, welcome to our hell
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<jcater> :)
<jcater> I think it's all working now
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<jamest> jcater: savannah?
<jamest> it's still down
<jcater> our repository
<jamest> ah
<jcater> is what I was referring to
<jamest> my bad
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<dtm> psu: hi there
<psu> hi dtm
<dtm> jamest: who's been in charge of the migration to ash?
<dtm> jamest: have you been involved in it?
<ajmitch> hello dtm
<dtm> ajmitch: why hello there ajmitch 
<dtm> ajmitch: are you having a lovely day?
<ajmitch> my day is ok
<dtm> ok
<dtm> that's grand
<psu> hmmm - sleeptime 
<dtm> psu: l8r
<ajmitch> what concerns do you have about the migration to ash, dtm?
<ajmitch> night psu
<dtm> ajmitch: oh nothing, i was just curious as to how it was done.  i'd like to learn setup of cvs and/or svn.
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<dtm> ajmitch: i wondered if they documented their own procedures or followed some masterful docs
<dtm> ajmitch: and i am pretty sure that savannah only provided cvs, right?  not svn?  did they use an automated script to convert it/
<ajmitch> yeah, they used a script, cvs2svn.py, iirc
<ajmitch> found on the subversion site
<jamest> dtm: not really
<jamest> what's up?
<jamest> i upgrade svn
<jamest> and did the original install of svn long ago
<jamest> when the world was new
<jamest> or something
<dtm> oic
<dtm> california DMV telephone system sucks so unbelievably bad.
<dtm> i'd rather be on hold for an hour than be repeatedly disconnected
<ajmitch> blame arnie
Action: dtm shake fist at Governator
<jamest> carefull
<jamest> he might wipe the floor with you
<dtm> he can't touch me.  I'm a Kansan now!
<dtm> Time to let Ol' Pain outta tha bag!!!
<jamest> when you were mr universe you can touch anyone you want
<jamest> just ask his female co-stars
<jamest> =)
<dtm> oh yeah.
<dtm> oh wait!  i'm not a female costar!
<jamest> you're not?
<jamest> damn
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<dtm> :(
<jamest> it's ok dtm
<jamest> i still love you in a "too bad you're not a female movie star hanging out in IRC" kind of way
<nickr> wtf
<nickr> I was promised a female movie star on IRC
<jamest>  /msg nickr shhhh lets not hurt his feelings
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<dtm> o/`  your mind won't let you see that you want me
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<jcater> Vee: you around?
<Vee> hey
<jcater> where-about do you live?
<jcater> near dallas, right?
<Vee> Keller, sorta north/northeast of ft worth
<jcater> how far is that from the I-30/620/35 interchange?
<Vee> well.. 35W, is about 5 miles west of my house.. 35E is about.. 30-40(?) miles east
<Vee> you guys gonna blow through for the holidays?
<jcater> family and I will be driving thru on Monday, didn't know if you might wanna catch an early dinner
<jcater> but that's farther than I realized
<Vee> you drive through dallas on 35?
<Vee> from 30?
<Vee> I need a map, we had drinks at the office earlier to celebrate finally being in the new office.. :)
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<jcater> well
<jcater> I think 620 slightly bipasses the city
Action: jcater wants to as many gnue ppl at some point as I can :)
<Vee> yea, ditto
<jcater> I've met derek and jamest
Action: jcater would love to visit ajmitch's or reinhard's homeland
<jcater> err, I mean, would like to meet ajmitch or reinhard
<jcater> =)
<Vee> I'm trying to find 620.. you dont mean I20 do you? that's a big east-west artery that runs south of dfw
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> 620 is very brief, iirc
<jcater> I-40 - 35 - 620 - 20 - 30 - 30W
<dtm> 20:04 < Deek> Halle-freakin'-lujah, Savannah's back up.
<Vee> so you get on 35 in oklahomacity? 
<dtm> http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2752
<Vee> I-40 == route66?
<jcater> no
<jcater> little rock
Action: jcater needs to look at a map
<jcater> might have my names wrong
<jcater> err, yeah
<jcater> got 30 and 35 mixed up
<jcater> take 40 to little rock, ar
<jcater> get on 30
<jcater> takes me thru texarkana, to dallas
<jcater> get on 20 for 10-20 minutes
<jcater> then get on 35E?
<jcater> to US190
<nickr> texarkana is a funn yname for a place
<Vee> yea ok.. so you pretty much fly by the east side of dallas
<jcater> yeah
<Vee> I'll hafta see if I can find/remember a place along that route we could probably meet up at.. 
<Vee> unless you recall one?
<jcater> well, first off, you interested?
<Vee> sure!
Action: jcater doesn't wanna railroad you into dinner :)
<jcater> well, traveling for dinner
Action: jcater needs a big map, 'cause I can't quite place where you're at
<Vee> I dont mind driving to dallas to meet a peep from tn. :)
<Vee> in terms of dfw I'm on the other side of the world.. but it's only a 40-45 min drive to intersect with you somewhere.. 
<jcater> ah
<jcater> well we could always meet in the middle
<jcater> think about it... I have to run to the store
<Vee> <cc> Woo hoo, SCOX is down 5.69% today.
<Vee> hah
<dtm> maps.yahoo.com is pretty big, jcater 
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<Vee> that's what I ended up using, when did mapquest take their "Bigger" map thing away? 
<Vee> that, and there's no longer a choice to see the airial view
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<dneighbo_> fsck
[21:47] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
<dneighbo_> i was going to bet against SCO 
<dneighbo_> knew i should have sold short
<dneighbo_> grrrr
<Vee> ;)
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<dtm> derek: what?
<dtm> derek: you have SCO stock, and you didn't sell it yet?
<dtm> derek: dude, the execs have even begun their pump and dump!
<derek> no no no
<derek> selling short
<derek> that is when you buy stock at its "peak" and hope it goes DOWN
<derek> i.e. when it goes down you make money :)
<derek> last week we (a few people on the LUG list) were talking tthat it was probably the right time to sell short on SCO
<derek> the problem is you have to have a trading account that allows it
<derek> i didnt have such a beast
<derek> and didnt have 5k to open one
<derek> http://www.fool.com/FoolFAQ/FoolFAQ0033.htm
<derek> for definition of seeling short
<derek> i would have liked to sell about 1k worth short :)
<derek> figure within the year that would be a 10x return :)
<derek> as SCO should be trading as a penny stock by years end :)
<Vee> <dd> V: The current price of SCOX is 17.73, as of 3:59pm EST.  A change of -1.07 from the last business day.
<derek> see i could have made $65 on my $1,000 today
<derek> though i would hold it as in about 3 months they will be down to probalby 10.00
<Vee> <dd> The current price of IBM is 93.39, as of 4:01pm EST.  A change of +0.25 from the last business day.
<derek> geeze
<derek> if you put $1,000 in SCO at 18.00 (beginning today price)
<derek> and in 3 months they fell to 10.00
<derek> you could make like $520
<derek> not bad especially if you made that 10k instead of 1k
<derek> 10k invested $5200 return in 3 months
<derek> too bad i didnt have money to throw around ;)
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<derek> Vee: do you recall if there is a command line in schema tool to generate xml schema for an entire database?
<derek> i know the wizard in designer will let you do a table at a time
Action: derek was thinking there was a way to get whole databae
<derek> er database
<Vee> hmm.. I did it, I think.. I dont recall exactly how.. 
<Vee> <!--  GNUe Designer (0.5.1)
<Vee>       Saved on: 2003-08-13 22:51:45  -->
<Vee>                                                                                                                                                             
<Vee> must be a way in designer as that appears to be how I did it
<derek> but that is a table at a time no?
<derek> not entire databae
<Vee> it's a whole db in that file
<Vee> with about 80 tables
<derek> okay
<derek> trying with wizard
<derek> grrr psycopg seems to not be installed eventhough all my connection files use 
<derek> been too long since i used GNU Enterprise on this box :)
<Vee> oh, yea.. psycopg is busted.. and popy's busted.. 
<derek> hmm something else is wrong
<derek> DB000: gnue.common.datasources.GDataObjects.ProviderNotSupportedError: No database driver found for provider type 'pgsql'
<Vee> hmm.. maybe popy's not completely busted... 
<Vee> #provider = pygresql
<Vee> #provider = psycopg
<Vee> provider = popy
<Vee> looks like I was using it last
<derek> yet with that same connection file i can connect just fine
<derek> hmmm maybe not
<derek> grr popy i will try
<derek> okay psycopg fscked
<Vee> I'm pretty sure popy's busted too, at least in some ways ...seems like when I last checked it'd been a long time since an official release was made and I think thierry has said several (bunches?) things have been fixed in cvs.. 
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<derek> if nothing else i will have all the python/postgresql packages for 2.3 installed on this machine :)
<derek> working or not
<Vee> :)
<derek> hey popy at least connects!
<derek> sigh
<derek> but its broken
<derek> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/common/datasources/drivers/postgresql/Base/Driver.py", line 219, in __getPrimaryKey
<derek> DB000:     cursor.execute("select indkey from pg_index where indrelid=%d" % oid)DB000: TypeError: int argument required
<derek> i suppose i need to get cvs
<derek> was avoiding subversions for a bit due to fear
<derek> but maybe its time to venture forth
<Vee> I'm somewhat in fear as well.. 
<Vee> actuall I'm somewhat in -basket is already full- mode still.. 
Action: derek goes to dig out instructions on how to do this
Action: derek sends out warning flares to jcater and jamest
<derek> dneighbo@latitude:~/cvs$ svn co svn+ssh://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue
<derek> you have been warned
<derek> yummy
<derek> bring on the goodness
<derek> holy bat turds.. svn is fast... but it hogs cpu cycles something fierce :)
<derek> i give up
<jamest> gack
<jamest> no
<derek> cant get any postgres driver to work on 0.5.2
<jamest> oh wait
<jamest> you got it right
<derek> jamest is cvs completely busted
<jamest> postgresql is, um, fucked
<derek> or is there really no working postgres driver
<derek> i got popy to "half work" with 0.5.1
<jamest> i need it working after the holidays so i'll be fixing it in a day or two
<jamest> not a single postgresql driver works near as I can tell
<derek> python2.3 +popy,pgsql,postgresql,psycopg all == fsckered
<jamest> yip
<jamest> near as I can tell
<jamest> and the error messages make no sense
<jamest> the postgresql driver reports errors in popy
<jamest> though popy IIRC isn't mentioned anywhere in the postgresql (pygresql) driver
<derek> DB000:     self.__cachedSources[connection_name] = \
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/dneighbo/cvs/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/designer/base/TemplateBase.py", line 169, in GetTemporaryConnection
<derek> DB000:     self._connections.requestConnection( \
<derek> DB000: TypeError: requestConnection() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
<derek> jamest: i noticed that with the pgsql driver as well
<derek> i.e. the error saying unable to import Popy
<derek> that is from designer
<derek> using postgresql as provider
<jamest> right
<jamest> i've not had time to look at it yet
Action: derek was thinking maybe designer was horked
<jamest> but *needs* dictate it work by 1st of year
<jamest> so it'll get fixed
<jamest> :)
<derek> no problem, just confirming its a known broke
<derek> and not a psycho me
<jamest> forms no work either
Action: derek wonders if this is postgres upgrade that broke things
<derek> or whether someone broked something in GNU Enterprise
<jamest> the GConnection seperation by jcater is (i think) to blame
<jamest> as the driver layout changed or something
<jamest> i don't know details yet
<derek> im sure chilly could loan you a trout if you need it ;)
Action: derek decides its time to meander off to bed
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