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<PeterD> Hi all
<PeterD> I started to play with gnue, I"m impress
<dimas> hi PeterD
<PeterD> I got some question regarding GNUe_ClassRepository.gfd
<PeterD> it cannot save anything
<reinhard> PeterD: yes
<reinhard> PeterD: this is mentioned in the BUGS file
<PeterD> is it a bug or I doing something wrong
<reinhard> it is a bug
<PeterD> ok
<PeterD> I didn't read it
<reinhard> nevermind
<reinhard> that's what we have IRC for :-)
<dimas> reinhard: is not it fixed in svn head?
<PeterD> what has to be done to connect form to tables in db using appserver connection in designer?
Action: dimas only uses it in two-tier mode
<dimas> and w/o designer
<PeterD> what about n-tier?
<dimas> in forms that designer designs all should be similar
<dimas> you just define <datasource>
<PeterD> I run wizard in two-tier mode and it was great
<dimas> settings in gnue.conf and connections.conf point to direct db-driver or application server as source
<PeterD> sorry, got phone
<PeterD> i got them setup correctly
<PeterD> when I run wizard with connection to appserver I see only tables from examples
<PeterD> created some table but can't see it through appserver connection
<dimas> sorry, i have not used neither designer nor appserver for months
<PeterD> that's ok
<PeterD> hve you use navigator?
<dimas> i start few forms from it regularly
<PeterD> do you know obout any docs for navigator?
<dimas> not that i know of, just looked into sample .gpd and modified for calling my forms
<PeterD> thanks, I try todo the same. )
<dimas> [ds@vbc doc]$ pwd
<dimas> /home/ds/svn/gnue/gnue-navigator/doc
<dimas> [ds@vbc doc]$ ls
<dimas> Concepts-Guide.sxw  gnue-navigator.dtd  man  technotes  Tech-Reference.sxw
<PeterD> excelent
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<jamest> docstrings pt2
<jamest> the umpire snorts crack
<jamest> the entire gnue devel tree is 5664k of .py bliss
<jamest> and knowing the way we document that means that we're only talking what? 5% of that is actually docs
<jamest> :)
<jamest> but even if it were 50% docs were talking < 3Meg memory if every gnue module was loaded into memory
<jamest> also
<jamest> python -OO
<jamest> optimizes the bytecode and strips docstrings
<jcater> but it still looks butt-ugly
<jamest> so it'll mesh better with its creators
<jamest> i've seen two samples of docstrings
<jamest> def foo():
<jamest>   """
<jamest>   I do nothing
<jamest>   """
<jamest> er
<jamest> def foo():
<jamest>   """
<jamest>   I do nothing
<jamest>  
<jamest>   Really.  Its like I work for the state or something.
<jamest>   """
<jamest> or
<jamest> def foo():
<jamest>   """I do nothing
<jamest>  
<jamest>   Really.  Its like I work for the state or something.
<jamest>   """
<jcater> I'd prefer the former
<jcater> if I had to choose
<jcater> if I had the choice, though
<jcater> I'd go w/the chick from Terminator 3
<jcater> and let her do the commenting
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<jamest> t3chick: "boy you eat a lot of donuts"
<jamest> t3chick: "are you going to be on that computer all night"
<jamest> t3chick: "does the fact I've put on 80 lbs bother you?"
<jamest> t3chick: "does the fact you've put on 80 lbs bother you?"
<jamest> also, docstrings let us do
<jamest> http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-doctest.html
<jamest> which is of questionable value in my book but still it shows that python docstrings are the expected norm
<jcater> so I take it you want to go to docstrings?
<jamest> um
<jamest> no
<jamest> i'm trying to talk myself into them :)
<dsmith> Emacs and Guile use something almost exactly like docstrings.  Java uses structured comments.
<dsmith> You don't want to be like Java, do you?
<jcater> dsmith: you should run for congress
<jcater> =)
<dsmith> heh
<jcater> you'd fit right in
<jamest> i like javadoc
<jamest> alot
<jamest> a lot even
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<jamest> well, it's a start
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/testdoc/
<jamest> in the upper left box scroll to bottom
<jamest> choose gnue.common.utils.TextUtils
<jamest> then in the lower left box either click on a function or on the top TextUtils link
<jbailey> chillywilly: Did you object database stuff ever wind up in gnue?
<jbailey> chillywilly: I have an unknown number of modules with unknown schemas that I need to store in a database, and I'd rather not have to touch the underlying sql schema.
<dsmith> jamest: Looks Groovy!
<jbailey> chillywilly: And i'm hoping your oql work might do what I need. =)
<jcater> jamest: can you upload the .py file so we can see what it looks like
<jcater> ?
<jamest> sure
<jamest> hang on
<jcater> I like that output, though
<chillywilly> it's vaporware jbailey 
<chillywilly> I stopped working on odmg type things
<jbailey> chillywilly: Yar.
<jbailey> Okay, thanks.
<nickr> ODMG
<chillywilly> there some parser crap for old and godl (xml version of it)
<chillywilly> odl
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/downloads/
<jamest> TestUtils.txt
<nickr> offensive disgusting maldesigned gunk
<chillywilly> it's not too bad an api
<jamest> name changed to prevent my web server from butchering the .py file
<chillywilly> jbailey: there is some people who did an odmg compliant server
<chillywilly> wtf is that project called
<chillywilly> I haev the cvs checked out soemwhere
<chillywilly> have
<chillywilly> can't type
<jbailey> chillywilly: No worries.  I was mostly hoping that your stuff might help me do what I want.
<jbailey> chillywilly: I want to use gnue anyone, since I need forms views for this anyway.
<jbailey> (and may need appserver for triggers and such)
<jamest> this should also allow for the following
<chillywilly> the 4Sute people
<chillywilly> 4Suite
<jbailey> chillywilly: The problem is that one of my modules is a data repository where any module can register SMI information.
<jamest> import doctest, gnue.common.utils.TextUtils
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<jamest> er
<jamest> >>> import doctest, gnue.common.utils.TextUtils
<jamest> >>> doctest.testmod(gnue.common.utils.TextUtils)
<jamest> (0, 3)
<jbailey> chillywilly: But I can't promise that I know the schema of the data at any given time, so I have to abstract the whole thing.
<jamest> and the samples in that doc *should* test themselves against the current function defs
<jbailey> chillywilly: I had vague thoughts of an object hierarchy to handle it for me.
<siesel> hi guys
<chillywilly> 4Suite people have something call Ods
<chillywilly> called
<jamest> not got that to work yet
<jcater> uggh
<jcater> I guess I could get used to it
<chillywilly> bleh, their site locked up my galeon
<chillywilly> 4Suite's site
<chillywilly> was doing a search
<chillywilly> bitches
<nickr> galeon has been very crashhappy in the last few revs
<chillywilly> guess I need to slay the oafs and bonobos
<nickr> yes
<chillywilly> doh, that killed too much stuff
<chillywilly> somehow evolution survived though
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<jamest> maybe cause I've staring at it for a while
<jamest> but it doesn't bother me much to look at it
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<siesel> jamest: the gnue stuff you created looks good, I just think that we have todistinguish between private and public stuff
<siesel> like betweeen stuff which can be used by applications and stuff that shouldn't
<jamest> well
<jamest> i'm using the epydoc stuff to make this
<jamest> and it supports a private/public thing
<jamest> but i don't know what it keys
<jamest> on
<jamest> i like the tree breakdown too
<jamest> w/ the module and class heirarchy
<jamest> but to implement this system wide will be a _bitch_
<jamest> but once done it also appears that python's doctest and unittest modules can pull test cases right from the comments
<siesel> that would be cool
<jamest> which makes me think that GBaseApp could soon support a --unitTest option
<siesel> I dunno if GBaseApp is the right place for that, but nevertheless adding unittest testcases is a  must
<siesel> seems like there's no way around python doc strings, so if everybody ewants its, I
<siesel> m ok with it too.
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<jcater> oooo
<jcater> epydoc does show the inherited methods
Action: jcater likes that
<jamest> i've alwyas liked the output of epydoc
<jamest> which is why I used it for the sample :)
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<reinhard> hmmm
Action: reinhard just got a mail via info@gnue.org that his penis length will increase by 7 cm if he uses gnue reports
<reinhard> or did i understand something wrong?
<jamest> you bet it will!
<jamest> and 
<jamest> if you use those new docs
<jamest> at that url I gave, and check out the TextUtils  does
<jamest> docs
<jamest> you'll find that you can do
<jamest> can use
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/testdoc/public/toc-gnue.common.utils.TextUtils-module.html
<jamest> to get a sample of textToMeasurement() so that you can see what that is in inches
<jamest> wow!
<jamest> >>> textToMeasurement('7cm')
<jamest> 2.7559055118110236
<jamest> oh wait
<jamest> did it say exactly that you'll grow 7cm
<jamest> or did it say you'll *get* 7cm
<jamest> as reports isn't really all that friendly 
<jamest> and if it's get you may not like where those 7cm of penis wind up
<nickr> penis
Action: reinhard starts to wonder how many hits the IRC logs will get in google searches now ;-)
<nickr> tonnes
<jcater> you all keep your penises away from my baby gnue-reports
<nickr> ewww
<chillywilly> pedophiles
<chillywilly> reports is just a baby you sick bastids
<jamest> it's a rough world chillywilly
<jamest> and jcater has a penis (i think) and knows how to use it (at least in reports)
<jcater> reports is just a baby
<jcater> but you ever see Family Guy?
<jcater> it's stuey
Action: jamest really didn't want to verify any of that info first hand
<chillywilly> haha
<chillywilly> stuey
<jamest> reports wants to be shaken like I'm a british nanny?
<jamest> anyway
<jamest> based upon that sample, is this something worth doing?
<jamest> i think i like the end result quite a bit
<jamest> though it's adding lots o crap to the code base
<chillywilly> what is?
<chillywilly> are you still talking about inline docs
<chillywilly> ?
<jamest> yes
<chillywilly> heh
<jcater> does epydoc, et al, inherit doc strings
<jcater> i.e., if we fully describe what GBaseApp.foo() does
<jcater> and GClientApp intercepts it to do something first
<jcater> do we have to repeat the docstring in GClientApp?
<jamest> give me a sec and I'll test
<jcater> cool
<jcater> you're better than google
<jamest> running
<jamest> btw
<jamest> here are the commands
<jamest> bash-2.05b$ epydoc --html -o testdoc /home/jamest/svn/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/common
<jamest> bash-2.05b$  ~/bin/fixPHPxml testdoc/
<jamest> where fixPHPxml is
<jamest> find $1 -name "*.html" -exec sed -i -e '/<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>/d' {} \;
<jamest> only needed if the web server hosting the docs has php installed
<jamest> php reads <?xml  as a php command and pukes on it
<jamest> oh that kicks ass
<jamest> look at the gnue.common.apps package in that url
<jamest> click on GBaseApp and it'll list the known derived classes
<jamest> it'll only display that classes docstring
<jamest> if you visit GClientApp it will not display the docstring there
<jamest> but you can get to it from the inheritance tree at the top of the GClientApp page
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<btami> hi
<jamest> hi btami
<jamest> did you read the logs?
<btami> i'm reading it right now
<btami> 7 cm...
<btami> for reinhard
<jamest> well, a little further up
<jamest> we're not really wanting to advertize that feature of gnue yet
<jamest> the absoluteWangSize() function is still too buggy
<jamest> rounding errors and all that
<jamest> fwiw we can also put docstrings in the __init__.py files in dirs like gnue/src
<btami> apydoc output is very impressiv
<jamest> and those docs appear in the package descriptions
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<jcater> I think we should get our setup.py's to compile in -O0 mode though
<jcater> just mho
Action: btami likes how jamest opinion changes about docstrings :)
<jcater> well, I'm game
<jamest> i'm liking them more now that jcater read they could indent
<jamest> the samples i've seen inthe past always showed left justified
<jamest> I'm game too
<jamest> but the next question is 
<jamest> so we continue to use the epydoc markup language ?
<jamest> so that it can tag return types and add parameter descriptions, lists, etc?
<jcater> um
<jcater> is it the one that supported StructuredText too?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> and docbook
<jcater> as docstrings?
<jamest> er
<jamest> javadoc
<jcater> cool
<jcater> it supports ReStructuredText
<jcater> good enough for me
<jcater> how hard is it to get epydoc installed on ash?
<jamest> apt-get
<jamest> :)
<jamest> also
<jamest> http://www.math.ksu.edu/~jamest/downloads/pydoc.txt
<jamest> is the output of the epydoc stuff via
<jamest> bash-2.05b$ ~/bin/gcvs
<jamest> >>> import gnue.common.utils.TextUtils
<jamest> >>> import pydoc
<jamest> >>> pydoc.help(gnue.common.utils.TextUtils)
<jamest> which is quite readable IMHO
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<jcater> so
<jcater> when will you have gnue-common finished
<jcater> ?
<jamest> um
<jamest> hows 2006 sound?
<jcater> 8:06 pm?
<jcater> cool
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<jamest> you plan on using restructuredtext markup?
<jcater> I like using structured text
<jamest> but unstructured code I've noticed
<jcater> with support for bullets, lists, italics, etc
<jamest> :)
<jamest> ah, epydoc does that too
<jcater> ok
<jcater> then that's good enough
<jamest> and links
<jamest> bold, etc
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<dsmith> I *want* one of those linksys progressive scan dvd players
<dsmith> http://www.linksys.com/press/press.asp?prid=142
<jamest> so it turns a $1000+ computer into a $50 DVD player?
Action: jamest must be missing something here
<dsmith> I've been planning on buying a dvd player.  Why not get one with ethernet?
<jamest> :)
<jamest> btami, reinhard, others: you ok with this doc stuff?
<jamest> will it help?
<btami> i like it
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<reinhard_> yip
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<others> surely
<jamest> wow
<jamest> concensus
<btami> i think it will help me and new coders too if they want to join to gnue
<jamest>  /msg btami it'll help old timers too but don't tell anyone
<btami> :
<btami> :)
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<jamest> reinhard didn't really want docs on that stuff did he?
<reinhard> i'm ok with it
<btami> the 7cm or that dvd player or gnue.common.events ? :)
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<jamest> no reason he can't have it all
<jamest> port gnue to that player
<jamest> then a .py program
<jamest> dispatchEvent('initatePr0n', maxGrowth='7cm')
<jcater> given bugs we've seen in gnue in the past
<jcater> I would not trust suck a call
<jcater> err, such
<jcater> (freudian slip)
<jamest> rofl
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<jamest> sigh
<jamest> trying to document the events a little
<jamest> and <gasp> there was a bug
<jamest> i swore we were practicing BugFree(tm) koding 
<jcater> no
<jcater> it was a misdirected featyre
<jcater> feature
<jamest> ok, i'll leave it in then
<jamest> we need more feaures
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<reinhard> night all
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<megatux> Are there any app-server folks online?
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