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I know exactly where I left it." jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) joined #gnuenterprise. shudder http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=402&u=/ibsys/20040109/lo_kgtv/1949731&printer=1 dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.32.171) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~user@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jreynaga (~jreynaga@148.223.77.243) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) joined #gnuenterprise. _diego_ (~diego@ppp-217-133-243-216.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. myname (~jreynaga@dsl-200-78-114-213.prod-infinitum.com.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-020.conceptual.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. jreynaga (~jreynaga@148.223.77.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) wendall911 (~wendallc@torus.nidaho.net) joined #gnuenterprise. 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SachaS (~Sacha@dialup-196-020.conceptual.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) btami (~tamas@wrr.napnet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. dsmith (~user@mail.actron.com) left irc: "ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.577 $ (IRC client for Emacs)" dsmith (~user@mail.actron.com) joined #gnuenterprise. lxf (~agus_tea@202.73.120.151) left irc: dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: "Вышел из XChat" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-181-72.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jah (~joost@neerijnen.snow.nl) joined #gnuenterprise. is there anyone interested in documentation on gnue-designer? yes are you interested in docs? we'd love help w/docs i've already joined the developers list and done all the copyright transferral stuff, but the mailing list is very quiet now is there anyone interested in documentation on gnue-designer? This is like one of those bad Greek plays isn't it? Where at the last moment, what yuo've needed all along comes from the sky asking to help. =) hehe deux ex machina! That's the one. =) well, i've already copied some documentation to the info mailing-list, and expected some respones, nope.... jcater, how can the copyright transferral stuff be done? jah: when? dcmwai: send a request to info@gnue.org for a copyright assignment derek would take it from there Action: jcater doesn't know the next step jcater, ok Thank :) I've sent the documentation (SGML, no pictures included yet) approx. 5 weeks ago. you didnt subject it as "Penis enlargement" did you? i'll send it again this weekend Vee: No, it was 'Herbal Viagra!!!!! 12AB1' ok copyright transferal thingy follows this line: Please email the following information to fsf-records@gnu.org and cc derek@gnue.org, and we will send you the assignment form for your past and future changes. 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Action: Vee prepares to boot 2.6.1 woo jah: are you basing this on http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/designer/Developers-Guide.pdf ? doh where'd he go Vee (~mike@66.182.192.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection he did the snart thing and ran for the hills ;) Vee (~mike@66.182.192.34) joined #gnuenterprise. Vee: Anything new in 2.6.1 that a normal mortal should care about? think there's a local root exploit that got squashed Ah, that's right. Crap./ Means I have to do the upgrade. *sigh* poor jeff is it in sid yet? jamest: No, the kernel maintainer is on holidays. damn haha... Ah, whole bunch of non-i386 changes. Looks like it should be stable enough. I guess I'll start rolling it out on servers at 2.6.5 then. lots of arm work from the look of it I AM THE ARM arm, sparc, and ia64, IIRC. how goes sarge? ppc, parisc. marching along like a little soldier? 2.6.1 seems to be the porters release. he's dead jim, er, jcater jcater: Something like that. jcater: No idea. slow as shit like, when you forget to eat any fiber for three weeks Action: jamest is getting more info than he needs to know nickr: Y'know, as a vegan that just isn't even possible. they are too busy arguing about non-free to fdix rc bugs. jbailey: I realize that, but you can extrapolate, I'm sure. you know the new debian installer is the devil No, its neat very neat just needs porting I had grabbed an iso of it and tried to use it on my friends machine and it would not write a proper bootloader spent too much time trying to recover...and the damn screen flickers so much....it just really sucked wish I would've use this iso instead: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso that one actually works heh http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ maybe I just had an old buggy snapshot ? That graph is starting to look nice. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.32.171) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey: and if you removed gnue from sid ? only problem w/ that iso is that it has an old kernel on it think they'd hit 150? jamest: Wouldn't make that much of a different. 2.4.18 :) The one RC bug that was there was a dependancy problem. sigh, off to move furniture for the main office I have been thinking of orphaning dcl, though. jbailey: who will pick up dcl if you give it up? wendall911: Dunno. I think there's one guy who uses it. jbailey: I use it wendall911: Ah. =) wendall911: The problem I'm having is that maintaining a pure PHP app is annoying. wendall911: No build env, so every new update causes me to miss pieces and such. jbailey: yeah, that's why we went to OO php, it is limited, but much easier to maintain wendall911: If it were likely to ever become forms based, or use distutils or gnue-common or smoething, I'd be interested in keeping it. jbailey: Are you planning a replacement? wendall911: No, I use rt3 on my systems. wendall911: So I also have the problem that I don't even use dcl. It's hard for me to deal with bugs. =) jbailey: understood...what is rt3 btw ? wendall911: request-tracker3. Basically the same thing as DCL. The interface is quite a bit cleaner. I've been toying around with gforge, but it is more than I need for projects saying that RT3 is the same as dcl is ludicrous nickr: you try the daily snapshots of the installer? no what have you use the beta1 release? used <_diego_> hello people. Exist some simple application running with gnuenterprise, or exists some tutorial? dtm: Why so? I saw it used heh chillywilly: I've used several of the snapshots. Any current one should do what you need on i386. jbailey: why not? well the one I had sucked severely... jbailey: couldn't dcl get a cleaner interface to improve that issue? dtm: Because it seems to be? made a very shitty impression on debian ;) wendall911: Probably. I haven't the time to hack it in, though. I gave up and used a mandrake CD that he had dyfet (~dyfet@pool-141-153-181-72.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client exiting" jbailey: if I start using it alot more than I do currently, I might be interested...i'll be pretty busy over the next month. I have another programmer that uses it as well. He wrote his own task manager/bug tracker in perl that is pretty nice, but is looking for something more robust that he doesn't have to build. wendall911: Interested in taking over the package, or hacking on it? =) ToyMan (~stuq@smtp.dstoys.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" nenhum (juanjo@213.60.8.184) joined #gnuenterprise. well the latest snapshot worked like a charm but I wish they would use grub and not lilo or let me pick yea lilo is so crusty I HATE IT chillywilly: It's coming after beta2. chillywilly: grub had some bugs in it, so they couldn't include it as an option before. I wish I had used this iso last night... fuckin A that just pisses me off who uses lilo? Action: jcater raises his hand heh show me somebody who uses lilo and I'll show you a sex criminal well, i mean, were you guys saying that some OS installs it by default? the new debian installer installs it WHAT on what parallel version of Earth? how is this possible I don't care as long as the system boots I can install grub afterward you'll care later when it doesn't! :) j/k It'll prolly boot! last night the shitty iso snapshot I had gave me a system that would nto boot not weird. it sucked myname (~jreynaga@dsl-200-78-114-213.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" _diego_: the best thing we have right now is http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/docs/forms/Developers-Guide.pdf it's incomplete, but all I can offer at the moment it would get you started using forms + designer bleh Hey hi dale ANyeone know of a good DCHP server in Debain that only listens on one nic? dhcp3-server dhcpd? it asks you on install which nics to listen on it listens to what you configure it to listen to Debain? what a name :) sounds like some painful thing they'd do at a vet clinic Bah, you guys should know my typing skills by know Cool. jcater and chillywilly <_diego_> jcater: thanks. I'm reading it... fwiw, dhcpd is v2, dhcp3-server is v3 I had to move to dhcp3 to get some new features but dhcpd served me well for years I need one for my dev network, but I don't want to stomp on the main dhcp server (I have two nics) Excellent. dhcp3-server looks good. do the new debian install programs directly support software RAID yet? no not that I could tell whoho articles in en.wikipedia: >191.000, articles in de.wikipedia: just hit the 45.000 britannica, we're coming! btami (~tamas@wrr.napnet.hu) left irc: "l8r" Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. Vee2d2 (~vin@c66.169.136.41.ts46v-07.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. Nick change: sjc -> sjc|away jreynaga (~jreynaga@148.223.77.243) joined #gnuenterprise. myname (~jreynaga@dsl-200-78-114-213.prod-infinitum.com.mx) joined #gnuenterprise. kilo (~kg_kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. lupo__ (lupo@pD9542CC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection lupo__ (lupo@pD9542CC0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jreynaga (~jreynaga@148.223.77.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). kilo (~kg_kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) left irc: ajmitch (~ajmitch@ppp146-90.lns1.mel2.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" argh doing root-on-RAID using a debian stock kernel is a pain in the arse Stock kernel! RAID is for cowards ;-) reinhard: then I'm the biggest coward of all =) finally got it working, though Or people with too many disks software raid? yeah with woody or with sarge? sarge, but not using anything absent from woody will be trying a woody machine next and how did you do it? stock kernel doesn't have sw raid compiled in IIRC http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareRaid I added that last section at the bottom fwiw, I've been trying to figure this out for a looong time hmmm mkinitrd hey this looks like a quite usable program i always thought it's not possible to use a disk for root that needs a kernel module neither did I until today I never knew about mkinitrd until I accidentally ran across it a day you learn something useful is a good day yes jcater: thanks for making this a good day for me :-) no problem tomorrow is your turn =) jcater: Just try and make (initrd) one for this embedded system I'm working on. I keep getting kernel panics. ? jcater: to help me understand initrd: the ramdisk image is loaded into memory by lilo, not by the kernel, right? reinhard: I don't claim to understand it but I think so Action: reinhard remembers a deadly fight with a megaraid scsi card reinhard: Yes, that's right dsmith: thanks Or grub of course megaraid is compiled as a module in debian bf2.4 i didn't want to compile a custom kernel so the megaraid didn't "survive" the installation of debian on that machine... dsmith (~user@mail.actron.com) left irc: "Good Night and Happy Weekend all" Nick change: sjc|away -> sjc lupo__ (lupo@pD9542CC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1" reinhard (~reinhard@M1264P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to ... to ... aehm ..." jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" wendall911 (~wendallc@torus.nidaho.net) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. myname (~jreynaga@dsl-200-78-114-213.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "gone to bed" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" nenhum (juanjo@213.60.8.184) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-175.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@199.212.225.1) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (~jamest@adsl-65-71-169-175.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Client exiting"). if anyone wants to play, I installed twiki at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/twiki Action: jcater is just testing stuff out luser_ (~diego@ppp-217-133-243-39.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined #gnuenterprise. _diego_ (~diego@ppp-217-133-243-216.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-86-113.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. --- Sat Jan 10 2004