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<lurker> hello everbody
<lurker> is someone i can ask questions to on line/listening?
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<johannesV> hi
<johannesV> is there anybody who can convert 'gnue-designer/doc/*.sxw' into a PDF- or PS-file ?
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<phlorin> hi
<phlorin> anybody reading?
<reinhard> hi phlorin
<phlorin> hey
<phlorin> i'm looking for someone to give me lots and lots of answers...
<phlorin> (to newbie-questions :-)
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<reinhard> phlorin: which part of gnue?
<reinhard> (forms, reports, appserver)
<phlorin> forms/form designer.
<phlorin> first the big picture: i need to build a software system for a company.
<reinhard> phlorin: well in case of forms and designer
<reinhard> you might want to wait for half an hour or so
<reinhard> until james and jcater are here
<reinhard> they are the big forms/designer masters
<phlorin> that's good to hear!
<phlorin> but i think my problem is a more... basic one :-)
<phlorin> to be honest, i don't know where to start.
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> are you planning to do 2 tier or 3 tier?
<phlorin> 2-tier should do it, for now. i think.
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<phlorin> in case it's not enough, i can expand it to 3-tier later.
<phlorin> but now to the actual question, to get started:
<phlorin> suppose i have a mysql db, with a table 'apple', and each apple has two properties: 'color' and 'size'.
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<reinhard> ok
<phlorin> and i want a mask (form) to add, remove and find apples.
<phlorin> what do i actually have to do?
<reinhard> that should be (from my understanding) a matter of 2 minutes
<reinhard> you should be able to use a wizard in designer
<reinhard> that is
<reinhard> you should be able to start up designer with no command line parameters
<phlorin> ok, started.
<reinhard> the from the file menu select "new -> from wizard..."
<reinhard> select the simple form wizard
<phlorin> lots of output, last line:
<phlorin> DB000: NameError: name 'ReportTemplate' is not defined
<reinhard> uh oh
<reinhard> what version do you need?
<reinhard> errr
<reinhard> what version do you use?
<phlorin> florin@rogue:~$ gnue-designer -V       
<phlorin> GNUe-Designer
<phlorin> Version 0.5.2
<phlorin> GNUe Common Version 0.5.2
<phlorin> Error: option -V not recognized
<phlorin> For help, type:
<phlorin>    gnue-designer --help
<phlorin> seems like version 0.5.2 (installed from .deb)
<reinhard> do you use debian?
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> taken from testing/unstable?
<phlorin> yes, testing.
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> well it could be either a bug in designer or a packaging bug
<reinhard> i think we will have to ask jamest/jcater about that
<phlorin> this might matter: on startup, i get the following messages from the designer:
<reinhard> normally they're here at this time already
<phlorin> Erm, I don't yet support pulldown toolbar buttons (RequestNewForm)
<phlorin> Erm, I don't yet support pulldown toolbar buttons (RequestOpen)
<phlorin> Erm, I don't yet support pulldown toolbar buttons (LayoutEditor:FocusOrder)
<phlorin> DB000: /usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/common/utils/FileUtils.py:42: DeprecationWarning: Non-ASCII character '\xa0' in file /usr/lib/gnue/python/gnue/designer/forms/wizards/CreateWebForm.py on line 399, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
<phlorin> DB000:   mod = __import__(name)
<phlorin> i might have installed a wrong wxWindows package. i think i saw something like wxGtk or similar...
<reinhard> the first 3 lines don't matter (I get them, too, and it works for me)
<reinhard> when you start up designer, do you see something on the screen?
<reinhard> (a few windows, a menu etc)
<reinhard> my understanding is that if yes, then you've got wxwindows installed right
<phlorin> yes. first the startup-window, with versioning information and progress information
<phlorin> and then the main window with all its bells&twistles, and two more small windows (data source and block editor)
<reinhard> i think it can't be wxwindows then
<reinhard> brb phone
<phlorin> ?
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<phlorin> hey jcater!
<phlorin> reinhard said you might be able to help me (if you could spare some time, of course :-)
<wendall911> jcater: who is the package maintainer? Would that be you?
<wendall911> jcater: I'm thinking I may want to start maintaining a Gentoo package. I have to juggle some other things, so it may be a month or so before I could. Just need to know the point of contact. Or if it is just this channel. :)
<jcater> phlorin: I'm in and out, but you can ask questions and I can answer as I have time
<jcater> wendall911: I am a core developer
<jcater> but don't maintain any packages myself
<jcater> jbailey does debian .debs
<jcater> btami does win32 executables
<jcater> but we're MORE than happy to have you take on the gentoo stuff
<wendall911> jcater: I knew you were, just didn't know if you also maintained the .deb packages. Who does, btw?
<phlorin> jcater: i'm a newbie to gnue. (i do have some experience in programming, but no enteprise stuff). and i need someone to hold my hand (or point me to docs) on how to write a 'hello world'-like application...
<phlorin> problem: how do i build an interface/form for mysql-table 'foo' in DB 'bar'? (form should insert/delete/edit/find items in 'foo').
<reinhard> <reinhard> you should be able to start up designer with no command line parameters
<reinhard> <phlorin> ok, started.
<reinhard> <reinhard> the from the file menu select "new -> from wizard..."
<reinhard> <reinhard> select the simple form wizard
<reinhard> <phlorin> lots of output, last line:
<reinhard> <phlorin> DB000: NameError: name 'ReportTemplate' is not defined
<reinhard> jcater: this might help...
<jcater> oh
<jcater> is this in our svn copy?
<jcater> or a release?
<reinhard> it's 0.5.2
<reinhard> taken from sarge
<jcater> wendall911: jbailey maintains the .debs
Action: jcater wonders if this is a packaging error
<jcater> I'll look in a minute
<wendall911> jcater: ok, ty. I remember he does DCL as well.
<phlorin> what's svn?
Action: jcater is recovering from a nasty cold today
<jcater> phlorin: a cvs replacement
<phlorin> some kind of versioning sytem?
<jcater> code management
<phlorin> yep.
<phlorin> would it make things easier if i went with the svn-version?
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<flo2> anybody around to help me with beginner's issues?
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<flo2> anybody around to help me with beginner's issues?
<btami> flo2: yes
<btami> what is your problem?
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<nickr> haha
<ajmitch> ?
<nickr> Oh, just reading some old logs
<nickr> very amusing :)
<nickr> from this channel
<ajmitch> ah yes
<nickr> The good old days, before the spirit of the internet was crushed under the heal of economic opression
<ajmitch> always a good laugh :)
<nickr> or something
<nickr> indeed
<dneighbo> yeah goats dont abound nearly as much anymore
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<nickr> yea :|
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<Vee2d2> So what's the haps fellas?
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<jcater_> Vee2d2: word up
<dtm> heck yeah.
<dtm> yeah werd em ALL up
Action: jcater_ thwaps dtm
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<jcater_> hmm
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<jcater_> hey now
<chillywilly> *yoink*
<jcater_> I might enjoy that
<chillywilly> :-o
<dtm> yaaaay
<chillywilly> whaddup dtm ?
<dtm> stuff!
<chillywilly> :-o
<dtm> oh i'm configuring the email infrastructure for the city of Russell, KS
<dtm> what are you doing
<chillywilly> can you be more specific?
<chillywilly> well well
<dtm> yes
<chillywilly> so you have paying work?
<dtm> postfix --> amavisd-new --> spamassassin --> clamav --> f-prot --> postfix --> procmail --> done.
<chillywilly> only things I understand there are postfix, spamassassin, and procmail
<dtm> yeah
<dtm> amavisd-new is a proxy of sorts between any given MTA and any given other filter
<dtm> such as antivirus and antispam
<dtm> similar to MailScanner but not sendmail-specific
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