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<rsb> hi dee ho.
<ajmitch> good day sir
<rsb> It is good.  I therefore ask, ajmitch, what is best in life?
<ajmitch> ah, now that is surely an interesting question to be asked
<ajmitch> to identify that which is to be valued above all else
<rsb> I ask with confidence, on so propitious a day.
<chillywilly> hi rich
<rsb> what's up chilly.
<ajmitch> I must confess, that my faith in Christ is what I value most in life :)
<rsb> Our great governor, Conan, would say that "the lamentation of the women" is right up there.
<chillywilly> ajmitch: hear hear ;P
<dtm> rsb: ahoy
<rsb> Hi howdy, dtm.
<ajmitch> dee-tee-emm!
<dtm> it is the aj of the mitch!
<chillywilly> dtm: hey I looked in the vonage FAQ but did not see anythnig about forwarding ports
<chillywilly> anything
<dtm> chillywilly: oic
<dtm> well i didn't look.  tech support told me.
<chillywilly> bah ;P
<dtm> but, tcpdump for whatever ports it uses, and forward those.
<rsb> I think you can do it with dtmf, however, I don't know what they might charge you per minute extra.
<chillywilly> you know what sucks is the device does nto respond to pings
<rsb> My cell phone charges me 20 cents per minute if a call is forwarded.
<dtm> rsb: who, what?
<rsb> I have heard voiceglo is a good provider.
<dtm> chillywilly: it responded to my pings
<chillywilly> rsb: we're talking about www.vonage.com
<rsb> dtm: Forwarding a vonage line? or am I off base tehre.
<dtm> rsb: oh we're forwarding udp ports
<chillywilly> he says that you should h4x0r your firewall to forward ports to the device in order to not get intermittent disconnections
<rsb> oh, I misread that, habit, I thought you were forwarding a call, which I do more often than forward a port.
<rsb> telephony application programmers dislexia
<dtm> oic
<dtm> i forward ports more often than calls ;)
<chillywilly> me too
<rsb> but yeah, you should be able to forwad udp ports, that's basically how sip does it itself.
<rsb> it won't go grabbing an extra port on you.
<chillywilly> well it works fine with NAT right now but I have experienced intermittent disconnections
<chillywilly> dtm: do you have your firewall configured?
<chillywilly> dtm: i.e., do you know what ports ;P
<rsb> however, there is nothing saying that vonage won't request a non standard message from the vonage ATA.  they flash with their own firmware and do not want you using any other sip devices.  I would not be surprised.
<rsb> brb
<dtm> chillywilly: no i haven't done it
<chillywilly> bah
<dtm> chillywilly: as you can imagine, the tech support guy i talked with says he gets 60 calls a day on that very topic, just to himself alone
<chillywilly> that's no help ;P
<dtm> it's also irrelevant :)  tcpdump.
<chillywilly> yea yea
<dtm> your firewall script should have some easy settings for forwarding
<chillywilly> weird
<chillywilly> my firewall script is hom grown d00d
<chillywilly> home
<dtm> whew
<rsb> are you still using the vonage ata as an endpoint, just forwarding through a firewall?
<chillywilly> ,--8<-
<chillywilly> |01:20:39.108090 216.115.25.35.5061 > 192.168.0.7.5061: udp 278 (DF)
<chillywilly> |01:20:39.112820 192.168.0.7.5061 > 216.115.25.35.5061: udp 276
<chillywilly> `-->8-
<chillywilly> :-o
<dtm> rsb: yeah
<rsb> ok, that works.
<chillywilly> how can I see the MAC address?
<rsb> voiceglo will let you use any sip phone :)
<chillywilly> I wanna hardcode the IP in my DHCP config
<chillywilly> looks like it is using tcp port 5061 and udp ports 276 and 278
<chillywilly> there we go
<chillywilly> -e dumps link level header
<dtm> chillywilly: lift up the appliance and look on the bottom
<dtm> or read your dhcp cache 
<dtm> dhcpd
<chillywilly> doh
<dtm> dew
<chillywilly> well -e works too
<dtm> oic
<chillywilly> I think
<chillywilly> yea it does
<dtm> k
<chillywilly> my device is buried ;P
<chillywilly> 0:c:e5:c5:54:a
<dtm> do you guys know how to create a socket file from bash?  or is it just programmatic?
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<chillywilly> I don't think bash supports sockets
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> i have a process whose userid I just changed, along with chowning the dir it writes to, and it now says it can't write the socket.
<dtm> that user can write normal files to that dir, but it can't create a socket.
<ajmitch> fifo, or unix domain socket
<dtm> unix domain
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<chillywilly> oh wait I think you could actually make it create a socket
<dtm> well, there's nothing special about a socket in terms of perms
<dtm> so i dont know why it gets perm denied
<dtm> 'touch' works.
<dtm> i changed only the userid!  otherwise it's the same config.
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> a socket is special though
<chillywilly> anyone know how to remove an O-line?
<chillywilly> "deoper" oneself
<ajmitch> ls -la in /tmp will show you what I mean
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<dtm> ajmitch: i know it's special, but not in terms of perms.
<chillywilly> maybe operserv will do it for me
<dtm> right?
<ajmitch> dtm: it's a special file, like device nodes are
<dtm> yes.
<ajmitch> permissions are fine
<dtm> :/
<dtm> i have verbose mode on.
<dtm> no i dont.
<dtm> now i do.
<chillywilly> ,--8<-
<chillywilly> |01:42:01.178785 phone.libertyetech.com.1026 > tick.usno.navy.mil.time: udp 4
<chillywilly> |01:42:01.328337 tick.usno.navy.mil.time > phone.libertyetech.com.1026: udp 4 (DF)
<chillywilly> `-->8-
<chillywilly> looks like it does ntp
<dtm> yep
<dtm> leeching from the navy, huh
<dtm> lame :)
<chillywilly> hehe, they have another ntp server named "tock" cause that is the one havoc uses, IIRC
<chillywilly> tick and tock
<chillywilly> ;P
<dtm> hehe
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<SachaS_> hi reinhard, are you going to fosdem this year?
<reinhard> yes
<SachaS_> with family?
<reinhard> well
<reinhard> with sabine and a friend of hers
<SachaS_> nice.
<SachaS_> i miss it, by a couple of days :(
<SachaS_> i am sure there is one in 2005 :)
<SachaS_> quite interesting speakers
<SachaS_> you are involved in fsf europe, arent you?
<reinhard> yes somehow
<reinhard> i'm on the board of the ffs (verein zur förderung freier software - www.ffs.or.at) which is an associate organization of the fsf europe
<ajmitch> hi SachaS, reinhard
<SachaS_> ok. hi ajmitch.
<SachaS_> reinhard: will be back beginning of march. will call you then for a coffee :)
<reinhard> SachaS_: ok :)
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<thierry> hello gnuers
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<grigora> hi, can a kind soul out there tell me what it means to be identified in order join a channel? TIA!
<jbailey> grigora: /msg nickserv help
<grigora> jbailey: thanks!
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<Vee> what kinda monitoring software, like nagios, do you guys use?
<jamest> i'm currently using users
<jamest> which gives me sub-second notifications of issues
<jamest> "The internet is broke"
<Vee> :)
<jamest> i wish the error messages were a little more accurate though
<Vee> maybe in the next version
<jamest> as the responce is given even if it's only www.foo.bar.co.jp/custserv/search.cgi that isn't working
<jbailey> Vee:  I'm hacking on GNU Radar.  I hope it will be usable in the next month or two.
<jamest> jbailey: you switch to python?
<jbailey> jamest: switching.
<jbailey> I'm having corba issues.
<jamest> am I the only one that think cobra when i see corba
<jcater> nope
<jcater> what's bad is at first I thought he was talking about insurance
<jbailey> insurrance?
<jamest> lol
<jamest> that's the blue cross/blue shield depends plan isn't it?
<jamest> dependents
<jcater> no
<jcater> if you have insurance at your current work
<jcater> and you lose your job
<jcater> you have the right to keep your insurance under a "Cobra" plan
<jamest> odd
<jcater> " 
<jcater> Congress passed the landmark Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA) health benefit provisions in 1986. The law amends the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA), the Internal Revenue Code and the Public Health Service Act to provide continuation of group health coverage that otherwise would be terminated."
<jamest> i'm 99% sure that's what my wife's parent had her brother on after he went above a certain age and didn't qualify a part of their family
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<wendall911> Just was sent a link from a friend for this pub http://www.tradepub.com/free/ids/ vee, jcarter, jamest you guys might be interested. It's not in my field.
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