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<bddebian> Hmm, looks like another busy channel.. :-)
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<holycow> anyone home?
<dimas> hello holycow
<holycow> hi dimas
<holycow> dimas, would you be able to give me some advice on how to start learning gnue
<holycow> i have some ms access experience and have general knowledge of setting up postgres on debian/win, creating and deleting tables and such
<holycow> but i cant make heads or tails of the designer, i'm not certain what i'm missing in terms of interpreting the 'process' of creating just a simple form
<holycow> besides being a few fries short of a happy meal i mean :)
<dimas> i still use just editor to create forms
<holycow> *nod* where i get stuck is once the form is created, say something simple like first name last name, where does the processing happen... i know i need to make a connection to a db, how do i post and retrieve and manipulate data
<holycow> i presume its all python which is cool i need to learn that anyway, but isn't there usually a command windows of some sort to write scripts?
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<dimas> you do not need python code with such a form
<dimas> you need to set connections.conf
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<holycow> *hmmmm*
<dimas> then in your form you place something like
<dimas> <datasource name="dtsAmtp" connection="analog" table="amtp"/> 
<dimas> where you reference your connection and table
<dimas> start that form and it wokrs with db
<dimas> works
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<holycow> does gnue depend on certain gnome libs?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> gnome not at all
<reinhard> several drivers depend on gtk or gtk2 being available
<reinhard> but not gnome
<holycow> darn, gnue's not starting up here 
<holycow> i gotta get a bit of sleep then get back to this again
<holycow> thanks for answering my questions :)
<holycow> 'preciate it
<holycow> night
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<holycow> *meh*
<holycow> dang reboot, got designer up, heh
<holycow> k. sweet, a bit crashy but no biggie :)
<holycow> ttyl
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<chillywilly> hello
<SachaS> hi chillywilly
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<dsmith> Good Morning Gnue Heads
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<bddebian> Good morning.
<reinhard> hi bddebian
<reinhard> not enough to do in the hurd?
<reinhard> ;-)
<bddebian> heh
<bddebian> Unfortunately I can't "do" much anywhere yet.. :-9
<reinhard> wanna dive into gnue?
<bddebian> Is there intentions to add a WMS to GNUe?
<reinhard> sorry, what is a WMS?
<bddebian> reinhard: Doing what?
<jbailey> bddebian: Ah.  Wondered when you'd wind up here. =)
<bddebian> Sorry, WMS == Warehouse Management System
<bddebian> Oh man, jbailey is here too
<bddebian> :-)
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> and ajmitch
<reinhard> chillywilly
<reinhard> lots of people :)
<bddebian> I knew chillywilly was here
<chillywilly> hmmm?
<bddebian> chillywilly: I am going to try to ship your PowerBook this morning
<reinhard> please excuse me for not being a native english speaker, but i'm not sure what a warehouse management systems means exactly
<reinhard> if it means that you define items
<reinhard> and keep track of how much you have on stock per item
<reinhard> then it will be part of gnue in any case
<bddebian> Yes location tracking, managing inveentory, cycle counts, that type of stuff
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<bddebian> GNUe is almost exactly the basis for a company I would like to start.
<jbailey> dneighbo is probably a good person to talk to about that.
<bddebian> reinhard: But ajmitch and chillywilly won't ridicule me like jbailey does.. ;-P
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<jbailey> bddebian: You're mistaken.  Anything I dish out in #hurd is just a warm-up for #gnue. =)
<bddebian> Oh man, I better leave now. :-)
<bddebian> Damn, who turned ams up these days?? :-)
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<bddebian> Aweesome, another channeel I can get ignored in.. :-)
<jbailey> You haven't said anything to respond to.
<bddebian> I asked about warehouse capabilities.  I asked reinhard what I could do??
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<reinhard> oh
<reinhard> bddeb_bbiab: 
<reinhard> <reinhard> if it means that you define items
<reinhard> <reinhard> and keep track of how much you have on stock per item
<reinhard> <reinhard> then it will be part of gnue in any case
<reinhard> i thought that answers your question
<bddeb_bbiab> OK
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<reinhard> jamest: you here?
<reinhard> or
<reinhard> jcater: you here?
<reinhard> not shure who's child this is
<jamest> sorta
<reinhard> but it seems like http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/common/api/ doesn't get updated properly
<jamest> i didn't set that up but I can take a look in a bit
<reinhard> np
<reinhard> just wondering because it worked fine in appserver
<jamest> what's it doing?
<reinhard> and the common pages have "generated 16. Feb" on them
<jamest> gack
<reinhard> but the content still is old
<jcater> svn: Obstructed update
<jcater> svn: failed to delete file 'ggcvs': file has local modifications.
<jcater> Unable to svn update!
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> that's from the nightly email
<reinhard> oh
<jcater> what's ggcvs?
<reinhard> that's our fault
<reinhard> please delete it
<reinhard> it's the cvs version of gnue-gsdgen
<jcater> ah
<reinhard> a li'l tool we have in appserver
<reinhard> we committed it accidentally
<reinhard> but it should be generated
<jcater> ok, regenerating now
<reinhard> thanks
<reinhard> and sorry for the hassle :)
<jcater> np
<jcater> I should pay more attention to my emails
<jcater> :)
<reinhard> mmmhhh works now
<reinhard> thanks
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<derek> bddeb_bbiab: hello... i would be a good person to talk to :)
<bddeb_bbiab> derek: Hi, about what?? :-)
<derek> WMS and GNUe companies :)
<bddeb_bbiab> Ah
<jbailey> bddeb_bbiab: Everything really.
<jbailey> He's the web server.
<jbailey> errr..
<bddeb_bbiab> Well, I have MUCH learning to do but I would love to start a company utilizing free software for small/medium sized businessees.  At least on the server siidee.
<jbailey> Something like that. =)
<bddeb_bbiab> jbailey: :-)
<derek> what are your hours?
<derek> ie. when are you aroudn most
<bddeb_bbiab> My hours?
<bddeb_bbiab> I live here. :-)
<derek> i have famly stuff to do today will be back later
<derek> but would love to talk
<bddeb_bbiab> NP, I'm still packing sos I am off and on.  I have the most timee late at night for me.  Usually when no one is on here.. :-)
<bddeb_bbiab> s/sos/so
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<bddebian> Damn and I thought #hurd was quiet.. :-)
<wendall911> US holiday today
<wendall911> I couldn't figure out where all the devs were in my channels either
<bddebian> Exactly why eeveryone should be here.. ;-)
<wendall911> that's what I thought
<wendall911> it is more fun to work on side projects on the company clock I guess ;)
<bddebian> Heh
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<ajmitch> hi
<ajmitch> bddebian!
<reinhard> ajmitch!
<reinhard> hail our new debian maintainer!
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<bddebian> Heya ajmitch!
<ajmitch> bddebian: so you found us at last :)
<bddebian> Heh
<bddebian> OK, gotta go to lunch bbiiab
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<ajmitch> is there actual documentation on what to put in report-filters.conf, and how to use reports? :)
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<ajmitch> hi btami
<ajmitch> & wethion
<btami> hi ajmitch
<wethion> hey folks.  I'm really having a problem here, and I found #gnuenterprise via a goodle search of my particular hassle. to whit:
<wethion> Hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> what a surprise..
<wethion> I'm trying to install debian unstable.  I'm running scsi, an Advansys 3490-uw (ABP490/uw) and no floppy drive, I don't even own one anymore...
<wethion> the install cds do not support my controller, and ask for a floppy with the module (advansys)
Action: ajmitch wonders if anyone can help :)
<ajmitch> perhaps #debian?
<wethion> however, I *have* no floppy.  I'm trying to find a way to work around this problem.
<wethion> ajmitch, been there done that... numerous times.
<wendall911> wethion: do you have an os currently installed?
<ajmitch> heh
<wethion> wendall911, Yes, debian unstable running a 2.6 kernel
<dsmith> wethion: That does sound diffocult.
<wendall911> wethion: why not use your current install, copy over the environment you want to another hard disk, chroot, configure and move the drive over?
<wethion> my system is *so* munged I've resorted to reinstalling everything.  I have so many unnecessary packages, and the dependencies are to interconnected it's useless to try and extract/fix/deal with the crap I don't need.
<wendall911> wethion: you can't boot from cdrom?
<wendall911> wethion: will knoppix run on your system?
<wethion> wendall911, I can boot, but for some reason, the debian installer tells me I have no hard drives.
<wethion> Yes.
<wendall911> you can install debian from knoppix
<wethion> well at that..
<wethion> what What WHAT???
<wendall911> I install gentoo from knoppix all the time
<dsmith> I've installed stuff where I booted from cdrom, then put that cd in another machine, and did a netowrk install.
<wendall911> wethion: dsmith's example works as well
<dsmith> That was a machine with no floppy.
<wendall911> wethion: because knoppix is debian unstable anyway, all the tools are there to do a network install
<wethion> well, there's something to try.. never thought of that.. Thanks!!
<wendall911> wethion: sure thing
<dsmith> Knoppix is nice for installing. It does quite a bit of hardware detection.
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<wethion> I'm off to see what avenue this'll take me.. Peace.
Action: wendall911 has had many scsi controller probs in the past
<wethion> wendall911, "On occasion, it it a necessity to sacrifice a small mammal to your scsi chain" forget where I heard that.. 
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<wendall911> lol
Action: dsmith will be installing a Debian system with scsi for cvs use soon.
<wendall911> I don't even attempt scsi with a live deb or gentoo cd anymore, I just do the knoppix install
<wendall911> saves many headaches
<reinhard> #gnuenterprise, our primary debian support channel :-)
<wendall911> reinhard: heh
<thierry_> evening gnuers
<dsmith> heh
<btami> hi thierry_
<reinhard> well eh
<reinhard> "A lack of leadership is no substitute for inaction"
<reinhard> fortune of the day :)
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> reinhard: how's appserver coming along? planning a new release anytime soon? :)
<reinhard> ajmitch: yep
<reinhard> if all goes right, appserver and common will see a prerelease this week
<reinhard> and a release next week
<ajmitch> great
<btami> hmm, i have 2 common bug before:)
<ajmitch> get your bugs while they're hot!
<reinhard> btami: can we help with them?
<ajmitch> mercilessly harass the developers until they cry! ;)
<btami> sure, just a min.(phone call)
<reinhard> btw jcater: I like the magic generation of the api docs from the sources
<reinhard> any chance to do the same for technotes (to put them to the website?)
<ajmitch> they're there already, aren't they?
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> I thought they were
<jcater> docs/appserver/technotes./
<jcater> s/\./
<jcater> hmm
<jcater> guess not
<jcater> it's there for the other tools but not appserver
Action: jcater will look at in a minute
<wendall911> reinhard: I'm doing code -> UML diagrams for my api...useful to get a visual of the layout
Action: ajmitch looks around for jbailey
<reinhard> jcater: found the reason
<reinhard> other packages have index.* in svn
<reinhard> appserver doesn't
<jcater> shouldn't matter though
<reinhard> didn't know that it's needed for the web
<jcater>   # technotes
<jcater>   cp ${CHECKOUT}/gnue-$f/doc/technotes/* /var/www/docs/$f/technotes ||
<jcater>   (cd /var/www/docs/$f/technotes
<jcater>    python ${CHECKOUT}/gnue-common/utils/create-technote-index.py)
<jcater> should be creating them automatically
<jcater> I'm looking, though
<reinhard> the technotes are there
<reinhard> just the index isn't
<reinhard> i can view 00001.txt for example
<jcater> ok, must be a syntax error in my nightly script
<wendall911> http://cpp2dia.sourceforge.net/ created for c++ but does any OO code that ctags supports
<reinhard> hmmm
<btami> bug 1) in GDataSource.py line 188
<reinhard> we also have http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tech/appserver
<btami>         from gnue.common.datasources.drivers.special.static import Driver
<jbailey> ajmitch: Eh?
<ajmitch> jbailey: sent you some files
<jbailey> Luvly.
<jbailey> I'll deal with them tonight.
<btami> but static now has Connection instead
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> thanks :)
<jcater> reinhard: should be working right now
<btami> bug 2) we had lost catcihg AdapterNotInstalled exceptions when the dbdrivers arn't installed
<reinhard> btami: thanks
<reinhard> jcater: thanks
<btami> :)
<reinhard> jcater: what about removing /tech/* - seems to be obsolete?
<reinhard> oh no
<reinhard> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnue/community/community.html points to that location
<jcater> reinhard: fwiw, on ash, /usr/local/gnue-sandbox/sbin/update-tasks runs the auto-doc stuff
<jcater> if you ever want to add your own "auto" stuff to the website
<reinhard> jcater: oh ok
<reinhard> cool
<jcater> and /usr/local/gnue-sandbox is an up-to-date svn installation of gnue
<reinhard> got it
<reinhard> what about automating ROADMAP.html?
<jcater> works for me
<jcater> when will you have it addeD?
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<reinhard> can i manually run update-tasks at any time i want?
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> I've never run it as a user besides myself
<jcater> but everything is group-writable by "gnue"
<reinhard> ok
<jcater> we should probably add a umask command to that script, come to think of it
<reinhard> well eh
<reinhard> i think i get like a million errors
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> epydoc gives lots and lots of errors
<jcater> we need to install an up-to-date wxPython and others on ash
<reinhard> jcater: ok, autogenerating feature-plans from RODADMAP.in works no
<reinhard> now
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<reinhard> jcater: what about technotes?
<reinhard> there is a version in /tech/$package/ and one in /docs/$package/technotes
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<jcater> I suppose we could do a symlink for now
<jcater> from /tech/* -> /docs/*/technotes
<jcater> ?
<reinhard> not sure how this would get mirrored to www.gnu.org
<jcater> oh, gack
<jcater>  /tech/ is on gnu.org ?
<reinhard> yes
<reinhard> the website could really use some TLC IMHO
<jcater> most definitely
<reinhard> like we still have our references to cvs everywhere
<reinhard> and sometimes things are a bit hard to find
<jcater> I'm not in a position to do much with it right now, though
<jcater> plus we need to figure out how to get gnu.org updated again
<reinhard> like say from the forms page http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/forms.html
<reinhard> we have neither a link to forms docs
<reinhard> nor to forms technotes
<reinhard> nor to forms roadmap
<reinhard> jcater: i see
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<bddebian> derek: You back yet?
<chillywilly> heh
<bddebian> heh?
<chillywilly> you're lucky you were able to speak with him at all
<chillywilly> his irc presense is sporadic at best
<chillywilly> I think I just spelled that wrong
<bddebian> :-)
<derek> im here kind of
<derek> trying to do bills
<bddebian> derek: I saw that you aree on cox.net.  Where are you?
<derek> phoenix
<derek> et tu?
<derek> orange county?
<bddebian> Orange County CA currently but heading to Philly
<derek> heading as in permanent? or business trip
Action: derek asks as we are in CA regularly
<derek> either down in encinitas (beach house)
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<bddebian> derek: Rancho Santa Margarita (Irvine area)
<derek> or visiting relatives in Arcadia (san gabriel valley) or placentia
<derek> ah not too far
<derek> someone from phpgroupware was in covina (iirc)
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<bddebian> derek: Cool
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<bddebian> woot
<bddebian> What's up ajmitch_?? :-)
<ajmitch_> just managed to finalise enrollment for uni this year
<jcater> I'd prefer ajmitch_ returning with a donut
<ajmitch_> got my id card, sorted timetable clashes
<ajmitch_> jcater: sorry, too poor to buy food :)
<bddebian> derek: Oh, I missed your question.   We are moving to Philly
<bddebian> jcater: :-)
<jcater> ajmitch_: how much more uni do you have left?
<jcater> before you can get out into the real world
<ajmitch_> this year
<jcater> and still not afford food
<jcater> :)
<ajmitch_> heh
<jcater> cool
<ajmitch_> hmm, am I allowed to commit updates to the debian packaging in svn now? 
<jcater> knock yourself out
<ajmitch_> ok
<chillywilly> *thwap*
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<jcater> mooo
<bddebian> heh
<holycow> hellow my fellow chimps :)
<bddebian> ooh oooh ah ah
<holycow> hehe :) 
<ajmitch_> :)
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<ajmitch_> bye jamest
<bddebian> btw, ajmitch_, that was some vengencee you returned with.. ;-P
<ajmitch_> seems that he knows when to run & hide..
<ajmitch_> bddebian: oh sure
<holycow> :)
<bddebian> ajmitch_: Damn man, I thought #hurd wass boring.. :-)
<ajmitch_> it is
<ajmitch_> this place is... laid-back ;)
<bddebian> And this isn't?? :-)
<ajmitch_> it's just been a little quiet lately - some developers are in different timezones
<ajmitch_> sorry that we don't have any hot goat action here for you
<holycow> heh
<ajmitch_> but jcater & derek just haven't been up to their usual levels of activity :)
<holycow> well we gotta do something about the gnue website firstly
<ajmitch_> yeah
<holycow> i've showed the product to a good number of professionals and they all shrug because its all schpeal and no examples or community type sample sharing
<dyfet> did somebody ask for a goat?
<bddebian> Yes, ajmitch_ wants to do somethng naughty to it appareently
<ajmitch_> bddebian: goats have a hallowed place in the ancient lore of gnue
<holycow> does it involve a steep ledge?
<ajmitch_> someone make a note of website problems.. I'm going to run away home soon :)
<holycow> :)
<bddebian> ajmitch_: Learn me you will, no?
<holycow> quick q guys, supposing one develops some gnue apps as per designer... how would one go about getting the same forms onto the web?
<holycow> manually recode the ui in php/python or the like?
<ajmitch_> there's a designer option to build a web form in the menu, iirc
<ajmitch_> and there's a thing in appserver (correct me if I'm wrong) to use this 
<ajmitch_> I haven't used it much - if siesel is around, ask him
<holycow> ah really?
<ajmitch_> yeah
<holycow> *nod* will do, okay thats really what would qualify this project as very different from anything else out there
<ajmitch_> siesel also did some work on phpforms - a forms client for the web
Action: ajmitch_ regrets that he has not been around much to know anything about these :)
<bddebian> what's thee back-end for GNUe?
<holycow> i need to write some apps, but i need frontend from backend independence, recoding a standalone apps manually to web is not very efficient
<ajmitch_> backend?
<bddebian> database
<ajmitch_> ah
<bddebian> Oracle?? ;-P
<ajmitch_> you can either code for 2-tier (forms/db) or n-tier (using appserver)
<ajmitch_> heh
<holycow> well whatever does the interpreting of the metalanguage imho + dbase
<holycow> something has to 'serve' out the data
<ajmitch_> oracle, mysql, postgres, sapdb, gadfly, csv, sqlite, odbc, others
<bddebian> MSSQL?? ;-P
<ajmitch_> yeah, iirc
<holycow> in gnue's case its the gnue engine for standalone, webside would be apache, but if you design the form once it really would be sweet to be able to export to multiple 'formats' if that makes any sense
<holycow> ah *nod*
<holycow> note:
<holycow> <-- newb :)
<ajmitch_> holycow: note: I'm *definitely* not the best person to talk to ;)
<holycow> lol no worries
<holycow> just tossin ideas around :)
<holycow> lookin to get em slapped down, freethought debugging if you will
<holycow> hehe :)
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Action: bddebian has no thoughtss.. :-(
<ajmitch_> even with the web forms, I think the appserver gets used for it
<ajmitch_> not sure
<ajmitch_> ask someone who knows ;)
Action: ajmitch_ is an innocent passerby, honest
<holycow> well something has to do the interpreting
<bddebian> webserver shsould be interface, appserver, business rules, then db.. ;-P
<ajmitch_> yes, the forms client
<holycow> apache may serve up html but the php module interprets php
<holycow> what db said right
<ajmitch_> web forms are not used much by people here, afaik
<ajmitch_> usually it's the standalone forms client, which either talks to the appserver or direct to the db
<holycow> i suspect as much
<ajmitch_> forms can have trigger code in them that runs on the client side
<holycow> all gnu type projects have this strange, not many people involved deal
<bddebian> :-)
<holycow> then one day all hell breaks loose and people realise what great ides the gnus have :)
<holycow> ajmitch *nod* ideall thats how it ought to work i'm guessing
<bddebian> An example? ;-P
<ajmitch_> I don't have one on hand :P
<ajmitch_> I'm at uni still
Action: ajmitch_ recalls, he does have the source checked out on the laptop
<bddebian> ajmitch_: I meant an example of a great idea that GNUs have?? ;-P
<ajmitch_> bddebian: hah
<ajmitch_> why ask me?
<bddebian> I was asking holycow, since he brought it up. :-)
<holycow> oh hehe
<holycow> *hmmmmm*
<holycow> nothings commin' up
<holycow> :D
Action: holycow ducks
<holycow> hehe
<bddebian> heh
<holycow> gnome for example
<holycow> everyone and their dog is all over that thing these days
<holycow> great idea, but really has some mutant shit leftover
<holycow> like the fekin registry
<holycow> *shudder*
<holycow> :)
<holycow> otherwise gnomes cool
<holycow> hey so do you guys create apps in gnue? even just for your self?
<ajmitch_> yes
<holycow> how do you find it?
<ajmitch_> I personally don't use it much at the moment
<holycow> the experience of creating apps i mean
<ajmitch_> but I know the developers use it to do production apps :)
<holycow> *nod*
<holycow> ah yeah?
<holycow> neat! :)
<bddebian> No, I am lame.. :-(
<ajmitch_> bddebian: please, stop that now
Action: bddebian only speeaks truth
<ajmitch_> I'm going to leave now anyway, so play nice, ok?
<bddebian> Leave??  No one else is here but holycow  and I... :-(
<bddebian> :-)
<ajmitch_> yes, but it's past 5pm
<ajmitch_> and I can't be bothered staying here at uni too long 
<holycow> bedtime?
<holycow> :D
<ajmitch_> so.. farewell
<bddebian> Riight, titime to get starteed.. :-)
<bddebian> Later ajmitch_
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<holycow> c ya
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<bddebian> WOOT!!  Damn havee you missed some riveting discussion!! ;-P
<ajmitch> oh I know
<holycow> hehehehe
<holycow> yes
<holycow> riveting
<holycow> ....
<holycow> ehe :)
<ajmitch> derek: are you around?
<ajmitch> postgres on ash is awol, so dcl isn't working
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