jan__ (~chatzilla@61-216-93-183.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning jan__ (~chatzilla@61-216-93-183.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit Nick change: bddeb_really_awa -> bddebian sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. johannesV (~johannes@M1554P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. someon (~some1@h24-81-151-173.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: "telinit 0" kilo (~kilo@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~btami@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. bddebian (~bddebian@ip68-4-154-50.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" kilo (~kilo@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-110-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined #gnuenterprise. Hi is anybody here I got few issues with pre-releases kilo (~kilo@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. I've sent some logs to list hi PeterD what issues you got? hi btami got urgent call, come back soon dimas_ (~dimas@195.218.177.46) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~dimas@195.218.177.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) btami (~btami@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Leaving" I'back hi PeterD Hi kilo cannot the last problem you reported be solved by editing gnue.conf? ie enabling a textEncoding in [common] section unmarked xmlrpc in line 69 that allowed to fire appserver I will check encoding around lines 30-35 textEncoding = iso8859-1 hmmm, then maybe it wont help are you recon that shoul try utf? i'm on cp1250, but in Hungary we use it because of accented letters (in comments) and in data looks that data is setup with utf-8 so I should try it didn't help, same errors [piotr@localhost examples]$ gnue-forms sample.gfd Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 26, in ? from gnue.forms import GFClient File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 39, in ? from gnue.common.logic.GTrigger import TriggerRuntimeError ImportError: cannot import name TriggerRuntimeError dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.57.191) joined #gnuenterprise. any other clues? nope is anybody managed to run pre-release? dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.57.191) left irc: "Client exiting" PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-110-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left #gnuenterprise. kilo (~kilo@ip102-205.ktv.tiszanet.hu) left irc: "Leaving" jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection dsmith (ye0it3dmc6@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1f-100.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. w00t pre-releases jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry_ (~thierry@AStrasbourg-251-1-1-7.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. 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Stoke (~stoker@dpvc-141-149-254-50.buff.east.verizon.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) returned to #gnuenterprise. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) got netsplit. ajmitch (~ajmitch@pop11-port120.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) returned to #gnuenterprise. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) got lost in the net-split. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) joined #gnuenterprise. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) got netsplit. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai_ (~dcmwai@219.95.61.5) left irc: Client Quit kilo (~kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. kilo_ (~kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. kilo_ (~kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) left irc: Client Quit Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_away jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. hi jamest hi jason ended yesterday's conversation on dropdowns with forms in inconsistent states there are examples when a form is totally data-unbound so there is need for entry-level triggers not only field-level ones imagine a form that helps the user to chose the approp. report and enables/disables different filter possibilities on the form so the form does not attach to any datasource at all, it is totally unbound but if you choose a given report, it enables given entries and disables other ones unbound != no fields I see what you're saying but I think that's more an issue of, should a dropdown's field be changed after focus changes or after a value is selected I think now it's after focus changes but that's not necessarily by design just a byproduct of the non-dropdown fields boo hoo? why you cryin'? chillywilly: You nevere ansswsered me... oh? what's was your question? I am at work do I have no idea Did the PowerBook, show up? UPS says it was deliivered Oh s/do/so/ I'll look for it when I get outta the cave here ;) OK :-) think I should go walk around in the shop to cool off ;P or something morning Heya ajmitch hello barry jcater: yes, dropdown changes the field value when losing focus (at least it should, but in wx it is buggy) in wx it fires the field post-change trigger when you drop down the doropdown's list in gtk it displays wrong values and all of it is bound to focus issues, ie dropdowns in wx somehow handle all mouse events by themselves default mouse handler that issues focus-change events doesn't ge tinvoked so in wx it fires the post-change trigger when the list is dropped down but it does not fire the trigger when a value is selected. it is because beginEdit is called when focus arrives on the dropdown and not when the list is dropped down so beginEdit is called once, and endEdit is called several times but endEdit is depending on the state of self.editing, that beginEdit sets to true and endEdit sets to false so subsequent endEdit calls are meaningless, they dont change the field value so dont fire the trigger proper method would be to call beginEdit when the list is dropped down and call endEdit when a value is selected now the same can be seen both in gtk and wx so there must be an error in the abstraction layer of gnue forms win32 works well because of a different event handling procedure, ie both left-button-down and sel-change messages are issued by windows so the win32 driver can handle both, giving the focus each toime to the dropdown this seems like a better solution than adding an entry-level change trigger imho I've overcome the wx limitations in some of my other programs by adding a wxtimer event to get around their fscked up combo box event structure well, i must admit it is not trivial at all 8-)) but beginEdit/endEdit changes are a different question from the need of entry-level triggers (won!t give up on that...) entries already have triggers... focus triggers my point of view on that is if you have post-change triggers at entry level that don't coincide w/post-change of the field (which them would make them redundant) your form is in an inconsistent state as the logic doesn't flow if you have post-change on an entry which itself changes another field any triggers on that other field would see the originating field's value as the pre-change value I do agree we need to clean up the way dropdown events are handled I like the idea of beginEdit when user pulls it down and endEdit after selecting I think that's a good approach Action: jcater is in and out of meetings today which is why there's delays between our conversation :( and I am in and out of my 2 1/2 yrs old son bedroom, also the cause of delays I told him I talk with Jason on gnue-forms, but it did not matter 8-)) what if you told the same on your meetings? 8-))) well I see what you mean by inconsistent state kilo: the people at Jasons' meetings are used to jason talking to himself about things dsmith (ye0it3dmc6@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1f-100.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "Good Night!" no, most of my meetings involve me sitting there quietly followed by, "Um, yeah, ok" I only talk to myself in my head hmm, and do you convince youreself easily? 8-)) sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "sleeping" Nick change: bddeb_away -> bddebian jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: kilo awakes from snooze jeff! kilo (~kilo@fw.i-trade.hu) left irc: "continue sleep" time to go home Good, teell me if you got your PowereBook! :-) Heya Andrew! jamest (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" bddebian: got my package jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" * jcater is in and out of meetings today which is why there's delays between our conversation :( and I am in and out of my 2 1/2 yrs old son bedroom, also the cause of delays I told him I talk with Jason on gnue-forms, but it did not matter 8-)) what if you told the same on your meetings? 8-))) well I see what you mean by inconsistent state kilo: the people at Jasons' meetings are used to jason talking to himself about things <-- dsmith has quit ("Good Night!") i thought jamest was going to say kilo: jcater is used to talking to 2 1/2 year olds at his meetings :) hi derek _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) wendall911 (~wendallc@wendallc.icehouse.net) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" someon (~some1@h24-81-151-173.vf.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-145.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: holycow waves to all the gnuees evein' +n to that gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-109-208.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Gee... Must be Friday night / Saturday Morning... jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. someon: Bah, what makes you say that? :-) sshhhh... you'll wreck the quiet sorry ajmitch (~ajmitch@pop11-port120.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection ajmitch (~ajmitch@pop11-port120.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_store jamest (~jamest@adsl-64-216-107-145.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "Client exiting" alandd (~alandd@h-66-167-42-150.PHNDAZ91.dynamic.covad.net) joined #gnuenterprise. I'm ready to do an app. Want to start with the best set of tools. do I start with 0.5.2 or CVS? ie. Are there features in CVS that I want or are there too many bugs there right now? Action: alandd realizes it's Friday night. He is home but everyone else is out having fun... alandd: Yup... Friday night / Satuday morning... This is currently a library (people are here, they just aren't saying anything) my wife is out of town, kids in bed, perfect time to get some stuff done! Except, little help to be found. do you have an opinion on my questions above? Nick change: bddeb_store -> bddebian Action: bddebian wishes he was out having fun.. :-( thierry_ (~thierry@AStrasbourg-251-1-1-7.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Client exiting" hey, I have two peoples divided attention, I'll ask my current pet question what tool to you use, in Linux, to draw diagrams flow, UML, etc. I know of several but have little experience with any OpenOffice.org DRAW Kivio Dia and just found out about Umbrello which I am going to try next any preferences among you? Visio. ;-P Yea, I have to use that at work it is slick BUT... you know... Damn, theree iis a visio like package for Linux that is decent and I'll be damned if I can rememeber the name.. :-( Dia is the one most people point to. I find it usable but a bit primitive during my brief tryout. No it's not dia Umbrello's description claims code generation capability to several languages, including python. Looks slick and is now part of KDE as of 3.2 Damnit, now that is going to piss me off, thanks alandd sorry. :-) He might be thinking of Kivio... it's pretty slick, and is as close to a visio clone as I can think og re: 0.5.2 vs. CVS... I'm sitting here with a KDE desktop and I haven't tried Kivio yet. I'll get to it after I upgrade to KDE 3.2 No comment... I don't use either, as I'm not up to speed enough to work with --- Sat Feb 21 2004