PeterD: I have not, sorry. I cannot run forms dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.156.141) joined #gnuenterprise. PeterD: ask your question again. Maybe dcmwai knows. ... I'm Just here :) i have not PeterD reinhard would be one to speack with he is in austria dcmwai: I'm going to paste the error log so if he comes around it will be in a few hours alandd: i didnt understand [piotr@localhost examples]$ gnue-forms sample.gfd Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 26, in ? from gnue.forms import GFClient File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 39, in ? from gnue.common.logic.GTrigger import TriggerRuntimeError ImportError: cannot import name TriggerRuntimeErro you want GNU Enterprise to run against flat files? chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-201-211.wi.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) .... derek: Let me briefly explain the applicaton I want to build using gnue or at least python. PeterD: I don't think I can help you in this Question. It is much hader that I though... derek: I'm in Australia and Sorry that I'm not really good in python. jamest might have some insight as that looks like gnue-forms error not an appserver one do you get that on ALL forms you run? or just a specific form derek: yes yes to all or specific ;) yes to all i have pretty stale cvs er subversions Action: derek hasnt used svn enough (grrr) forms run well before updating common and appserver anyone know quick way to update? PeterD: it looks like COMMON and not APPSERVER is broken here derek: I will re-paste my description from some time yesterday (I think) as it is good enough. target application is a simple database front end. accepts csv flat file from another program. Tracks some information for each record and produces basic reports like "who did x since day1?" so I envision gnue-forms and maybe reports. and I want to use the forms designer the application's local database may remain a flat file since it is not ever expected to be larger than a couple of hundered records. though I am still debating that point. the app will be stand-alone on the computer and needs to run on windows too. I don't know what database tech is appropriate for such a local, small deployment on both Linux and windows. um we dont do well with flat files as a database backend appserver looks working well i think you are best served looking at mysql (gulp) as it installs easy on windows or GNU/Linux there is something called SQLLite (iirc) that is good for what you want BUT i dont know if works on windows someone willing to give me equiv of cvs -Pd update command for svn i will look at this for PeterD :) derek: thank you for the pointer. I'll have to research that for my implementation plans. but nothing connecting to appserver and db even designer Action: alandd has much to learn... Action: derek tries svn up waits for smoke to come off machine derek: I'm hunting for your command now... that worked svn up now just waiting ... derek: don't see equivalent options in the subversion update command. Maybe it does it automatically? If it seems to be working anyway, maybe I'm doing superfilous stuff. :^) I must get to bed now. Thanks for the pointers. Nick change: alandd -> alandd_ZZzz PeterD: i dont know how to do diffs with svn :( sorry im too new to our new version control tools TriggerRuntimeError is not in common/src/logic/GTrigger.py which explains the error Action: derek thinks i saw btami bitching about error issues though not sure if it was this or something else sorry, I never worked with cvs or svn i think jcater did some major moving around of common and this might be some fallout i know reinhard wanted what ever btami was raising as an issue fixed before the release so maybe we should wait for reinhard to fix it? PeterD: hmmm what version of forms do you have? as the GFClient.py in svn doenst have the import you are explaining which makes me think maybe they already fixed this can you paste all the import lines from your GFClient.py forms 0.5.2 hmm could be you need latest forms Action: derek notes originally i only saw common and appserver have pre-releases but possibly they fixed this bug and now will need forms prerelease so looks I have to learn how to use svn im not sure im grasping for straws after looking at it for 30 seconds Action: derek is headed off to bed otherwise i would install what i just updated and do some testing to see if broken here or not thanks for help PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-110-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) got netsplit. _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) got netsplit. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.156.141) got netsplit. gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-95-148.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) got netsplit. jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-210-139.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) got netsplit. derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. 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PeterD (~newbie@CPE-203-45-110-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left #gnuenterprise (""You run, never stop, got to win, got to run till you drop""). bddebian (bddebian@pcp08545886pcs.lndsd101.pa.comcast.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "brb" Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_away dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-108-198.mad.east.verizon.net) joined #gnuenterprise. sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater: you around this am? or jamest? yha well, somewhat I'm framing up a new bathroom wall atm oh last night peterd came in looking for help he upgraded to newest appserver/common and is running forms 0.5.2 (last release) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/gnue-forms", line 26, in ? from gnue.forms import GFClient File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFClient.py", line 39, in ? from gnue.common.logic.GTrigger import TriggerRuntimeError ImportError: cannot import name TriggerRuntimeErro was his error i looked in GTrigger.py and there is no cllass TriggerRuntimeError (in svn) so i looked at GFClient.py (in svn) and it appears there is no call to this import anylonger so my question is "this appears fixed" but.... when will a prelease for gnue-forms be available for him? no idea but isn't he the one who grabbed cvs appserver+common? well i guess the first question was (are my assumptions correct) looks like a common + forms mismatch I can't work on it this week though that forms 0.5.2 and the new common have "issues" playing well together not asking you to actually, I probably could do a prerelease just trying to assess the problem (after being away for a while i dont know exact state of things) as that'll only take 5 minutes or so derek: I think your assumption is right if you could that would be awesome iirc he is using cvs common + appserver as then at least i have something for him to test jcater: he was but if there's bugs that need to be fixed in that prerelease I doubt I can work on it he grabbed the preleases reinhard put out last night Is anybody used prereleased appserver and common I cannot run forms is why im thinking he was using the prereleases is there any magic to a prelease? i havent made one in a while Action: derek is considering trying to make one for him (not for public, just him) also while i have you for 30 seconds is our website only in savannah cvs? or is there an svn version somewhere? and how are things "synching" as i have a ton of dcl bugs to clean up today , that are website related :) um afaik, still inaccessible in savannah cvs but reinhard is the better person to ask he did some stuff last week to get a few things working again but don't know what he did i.e., he might have gotten access to savannah cvs again or moved to svn or just did some manual updates :) well that was my fear i was going to get savannah cvs access fixed for myself but was afraid if i made changes there and updated ash that i might "break" some work that had been doone i will try to find reinhard sometime this week many thanks for the answers your wife just called and said to tell you to quit yapping on irc and get your arse back to framing the bathroom Action: jcater thwaps derek fwiw, I think he did something w/cvs as in /cvs/www-cvs he moved the old software/ out of the way and there's a gnue/ there now err, in /var/www-cvs dyfet (~dyfet@pool-138-89-108-198.mad.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Client exiting" siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. johannesV (~johannes@M1560P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" Nick change: bddeb_away -> bddebian siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) left irc: "Client exiting" dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) left irc: "Client exiting" jcater, jamest: I saw the version conflict between common SVN(=prerelease) and forms 5.2. What do you think is better? A compatibilty layer, or forms/reports prereleases? dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) joined #gnuenterprise. hi dcmwai: still here at 2 o'clock? (wild guess) siesel, Yea... siesel, long long time no see :) :) siesel, busying with life is not good for me :( yeah. I know it too well. siesel, too bad it just happen to me :( more work or other job? siesel, Don't know what to say... just to say that there are too many things to do (for work/life) and Not enough time... Yeah. Even I have holidays now (4days), I haven't found time for gnue before 0:00 in the evening btw. I'm much close to you then normal. It's 2:15am here :) Now I really know why people say... life is Hard Oh ... we are at the same time line? Where are you/ TW Haha .. Why are you there? :) siesel, I've some idea and just want to know if it is there? did We have gnue client for palm? or python for palm? visiting relatives. ... so that we can run gnue as a client in palm? for palm... hmmm.. siesel, you have relatives in TW? :) That is interesting.... I haven't checked the python for palm situation yet. oh... python for wince doens't work yet. because they haven't ported wxwin yet. I think that it might be a good idea :0 I'm thinking only and not working on it :) 
F/*~º siesel, /ÎThat is interesting : gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-95-148.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. oops, seems like xchat doesn't like my input method :) siesel, opp. haha btw. I've searched and the latest python version on palm os is 1.5.2 -> gnue won't work :( siesel, why? because of gnue need higher python version? gnue needs python 2.0+ maybe we should cutdown some ... code :) and make something for palm. Action: dcmwai have a stupid idea agian :) yeah, i've raised that issue before, but it would mean to fork, as the cutdown would be bad for the desktop version siesel, or More stupid idea... "mark the code for palm" :) When running on palm do this this this and this ... not that.. you mean kind of a preprocessor, ... yes, that could work I just dunno, how much have to be changed siesel, Well dependent on the demand :) Action: dcmwai think then later... They will be a request for PDA phone :) Interesting... Things are getting HELL lot smaller :) O I hate it. wxWindows becomes wxWidgets, because of pressure by microsoft Just get use to it... M$ just think that "Windows" belong to them and Next Generation we wouldn't see another words then Windows anymore :) dcmwai: there are two (I'm not so shure) people who run gnue on an iPAQ oh interesting :) but using linux and not wince Woo good idea :) but can we do that? nevertheless, /me has to make a phone call. bbl siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "Client exiting" ... dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-93-2.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "night" derek (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_away gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-95-148.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@vodca.otago.ac.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. Nick change: bddeb_away -> bddebian holycow (~rtaylor@h24-86-228-102.vf.shawcable.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest (~jamest@ppp-66-142-210-139.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) siesel if you read the logs a prelease for forms/reports makes a lot more sense to me than a compatiability layer imho as for 1.5.2 vs 2.x python and palm the 2.x has nothing to do with "code size" 2.x had features that eliminated a lot of work arounds we were dealing with in 1.5.2 i do NOT think its worth forking to make a 1.5.2 version or putting conditionals in for 1.5.2 palm os really is not a strong platform for things like GNU Enterprise it would be much wiser to look at GNU Enterprise on iPAQ and Zaurus (or whatever its called) anyhow my two cents jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo: or seeing if there's a way to get python 2.x on palm os (modern ones have much more memory) Screw Palm, iPaq and Zaurus!! ;-P bddebian: they can be very useful platforms pfft. :-) sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "sleeping" bddebian: i tend to agree ajmitch_: im not anti palm but to do forks and bend arounds for a dying platform seems odd to me that or i would say write python 1.5.2 apps Action: bddebian has to use his palms WAY too often.. ;-P native for palm that connect to appserver but i suspect if 1.5.2 runs on palm its not too far off that 2.x will python 1.5 would not be nice to try & support I'm certainly not arguing for hacking in compatibility again for 1.5 I'd love to get gnue going on an ipaq, when we get one for a project at work since we're putting linux on it, and the project is in python & uses gtk2 :) Action: ajmitch_ just hopes it all fits :) heh Action: ajmitch_ searched google for 'python gtk2 ipaq', and gnue irc logs are 4th, again Y'know so far `` "goat fucking" gnuenterprise '' doesn't show up in google? But thanks to the logger, it will now. =) that's a surprise heh jbailey (~jbailey@CPE00062579efac-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Client exiting" hmmmm yup howdy gidday Heya chillywilly gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-72-95-148.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left #gnuenterprise. heya bddebian chillywilly, I see you won your auction. :-) yep I did just waiting for a power supply :) Cool how fast are these machines anyway? I know it is a pretty low end machine but it's a different architecture so I was wondering if they ran a bit faster than inhell I've bever owned Mac hardware ;P never chillywilly, I'm not sure. Mine is supposed to be a 333Mhz but was apparently upgraded to a 450Mhz. Yours is supposed to be a 300Mhz but may have been upgraded too?? THey are "risc" machines so they can be a little "faster". well yea I know ppc is "faster" erm, "risc" bah what distro fo you have running on yours? do* Debian, what else is there?? ;-P :) I don't think anyone else here would argue with that I can't use the new beta sarge installer though, can I? Action: chillywilly apologizes if his questions/statements are incoherent Yes, in fact you may have to because it's an old-world machine.. Oh shit, no floppy though. :-( You will probably have to create a smaller MockOS partition and use BootX unless you buy a floppy drive.. :-( hmmm no CD-ROM in this thing? Yes, but it won't boot off of it.. :-( bummer so yuou use MacOS to bootstrap a linus install? gnu/linux No shit. I even bought a floppy but it turned out to be an LS-120 drive which it won't boot off of either.. :-( Yes, you essentially bootstrap Linux from MockOS http://penguinppc.org/projects/bootx/ how much space does it take up? this thing has 2 batteries in it? two batteries?? It doesn't have a battery and a CD-ROM?? I have 2 batteries up front Left side and right side? yep FUCK no big deal I can most likely get anything I want for it on ebay I know but I swear I at least checked that out.. In fact I thought I swapped CD-ROMS at one point because I thought I had a bad one???? hmmm well I have 2 batteries ;) really, I do ;) I believe you, it just pisses me off. it's real heavy :P it will be cool if the hold a charge my other PC laptop doesn't it's a defective design At this rate they better, or I am really going to look bad.. :-) charging circuitry is bad you could've charged it and then I could at least play with it until it dies ;) while I wait for the AC adapter scotty wanted to play with it ;P I'm sorry man, I am totally lame. I usually totally configure the things before I ship them out. It has just been crazy with trying to move and everything... :-( it's alright I can just look at it or something ;) Stop it man... :-) heheh the power adapter I have is broke right at the part that plugs in...if you wiggle it you can see it spark it's cool or something :) So open it up and re-solder it.. :-) Action: chillywilly picks on bddebian I should but there's some code I shoud be writing There's ANY code that I should be writing!! :-) I can't see where it would come apart very easily With a BIG hammer!! :-) ack doh i think i lost my drive with all my music, pictures, etc and naturally i dont have great backups of it as it had gigs and gigs of data grrrrrr :-( _ruben_ (~probe@217.129.247.123) got netsplit. bddebian (bddebian@pcp08545886pcs.lndsd101.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-201-211.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. dimas (~ds@195.218.177.46) got netsplit. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) got netsplit. ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@vodca.otago.ac.nz) got netsplit. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) got netsplit. 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Serial ATA ?? sata raid :P ah sounds fun Satan?? :-) i might have lucked out i was thinking my smb supershare was on box A so was looking at box A and still getting oddness so looked at fstab on that box only to remember that smb supershare is on box B Action: chillywilly did some rewiring of networks at work earlier looks like one of the kids did bad things to box B bringing it back on line and will do some diagnostics but am having some HOPE fwiw: a fan here has been VERY loud (meaning to fix for last week) w00t started to think (as it was quiet a minute ago) that oh crap, that wasnt a fan, it was a drive!!!!!!! but now tthe fan is loud again :) woot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im back in bidness before i could get out of chair to investigate status of box B South Parks Ice Ice Timmy started blaring on xmms my share it back praise GOD! 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