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Action: jamest_ does a happy dance Action: bddebian does the clueless dance Action: Vee passes out from all the excitement dsmith (fd6a0go8ya@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1f-100.clvhoh.adelphia.net) joined #gnuenterprise. are datemasks still 'in the works' um, of course i think :) :) bbiab are we talking about input masks or something else Vee I'm more concerned with display masks atm I think.. was thinking about my little time tracking form jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) joined #gnuenterprise. btami (~tamas@napalm.napnet.hu) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo_ (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. thierry (~thierry@AStrasbourg-251-1-1-7.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) thierry (~thierry@AStrasbourg-251-1-1-7.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #gnuenterprise. dneighbo (~dneighbo@ip68-109-180-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_shower sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined #gnuenterprise. siesel (~jan@61-216-92-158.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection Nick change: bddeb_shower -> bddebian ajmitch_ (~ajmitch@pop11-port95.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) gilles (~gilles@200.178.210.130) joined #gnuenterprise. ajmitch (~ajmitch@pop11-port120.jetstart.maxnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) hey.. I just checked out the svn repository for the first time.. sweet! the README.txt is well done, too. To install the python-based tools, type "python setup-cvs.py" from this directory. This will set up GNUe Common, GNUe Forms, GNUe Reports, GNUe Designer, GNUe Navigator, and GNUe App Server. johannesV: I finally got around to testing your oracle.sql it had four changes ^^ shouldnt that either say to hop into the gnue-common dir, or do a "python gnue-common/setup-cvs.py" as there is no such file in the 'root' dir where the README.txt is located I emailed them to you Vee: ja jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. Action: jcater throws jamest_ a rope :-/ jcater: great! what do i need to change ? sent you an email but basically long --> blob datetime --> date in triggers, the "when" clause doesn't need ":new", but "new" and default values need to be enclosed in quotes ok, thanks! wendall911 (~wendallc@wendallc.icehouse.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Don't contradict a woman -- wait until she does herself." jcater, jamest_: there seems to be a problem with the global datasource trigger functions. does anyone of you use the "delete" call in a trigger? sigh what's up? i don't nice :) testing appserver I found out, that if you have more than one datasource in a form, the last datasource's delete function overwrite the previous one. i.e. a global "delete" or in case of appserver a global "call" is a misdesign. so I would like to remove those two functions from the global namespace. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) hmmm, seems like too much of a shock for jamest_ ;) I didn't even know there was a delete how do you use it? just call "delete()" in a trigger but if its removed from the global namespace it has to be "dtsPerson.delete()" which is much cleaner, and is well defined even in the multiple database case yeah I say move it I never knew about it and I don't think it's documented at least, I don't recall putting it in the dev docs ok. johannesV (~johannes@M1565P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Client Exiting" siesel (~jan@61-216-92-158.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_away siesel (~jan@61-216-92-158.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. gilles (~gilles@200.178.210.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection siesel (~jan@61-216-92-158.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "night" thierry (~thierry@AStrasbourg-251-1-1-7.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) joined #gnuenterprise. davi (davi@215.Red-80-25-136.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #gnuenterprise. davi (davi@215.Red-80-25-136.pooles.rima-tde.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Leaving"). dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) joined #gnuenterprise. dcmwai (~dcmwai@219.95.58.147) left irc: "Client exiting" btami (~tamas@napalm.napnet.hu) left irc: neilt (~neilt@ip68-100-194-66.dc.dc.cox.net) joined #gnuenterprise. neilt (~neilt@ip68-100-194-66.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: ajmitch (~ajmitch@vodca.otago.ac.nz) joined #gnuenterprise. dimas (~ds@195.218.177.46) got netsplit. dimas (~ds@195.218.177.46) returned to #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) got netsplit. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) returned to #gnuenterprise. Nick change: bddeb_away -> bddebian dsmith (fd6a0go8ya@oh-strongsvillecadent1-1f-100.clvhoh.adelphia.net) left irc: "Good Night!" jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jamest_ (~jamest@gw.math.ksu.edu) left irc: "Client exiting" jcater (~jason@w202.z065105010.mem-tn.dsl.cnc.net) left irc: "Client exiting" Nick change: bddebian -> bddeb_dinner havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-107-254.wi.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection havoc (~havoc@CPE-65-31-107-254.wi.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. anybody around that I can ask some MTA questions to :) OT per usual reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #gnuenterprise. As long as it's Sendmail. =) Nick change: bddeb_dinner -> bddebian hehe Or M$ Exchange.. ;-P jbailey: I'm using postfix, but it isn't what it claims to be, and it isn't a project, just one guy's pet project. Exim appears to be the same thing. qmail however looks quite different, supports what I need, but not sure about it. jbailey: I can't stand projects that push security/bug fixes onto the distro maintainers wendall911: The best I can suggest is that you consider switching to the One True MTA (tm) Lotus Notes? ;-P jbailey: sendmail? lol ;) wendall911: sendmail is good and right. Mwuhahaha There isn't anything I've not been able to convince sendmail to do. jbailey: that's true, I've used sendmail before, but it has had serious security issues in the past wendall911: Sure, and it will again in the future. wendall911: That's true of *any* internet-facing daemon. jbailey: yep The difference is that not enough people use the others ones, so the exploits aren't known yet. Response time from the sendmail crue is amazing, though. jbailey: I just found Postfix to be a "featureless" Sendmail Yeah. A couple of us have talked about doing a sendmail clone for Mailutils using our libraries. No coding has started yet, though. jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) joined #gnuenterprise. jbailey (~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Client exiting" jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. i saw someone dissing postfix the fewlz! :) i've used postfix since the 1st public release and have loved it not sure what features it's missing compared to postfix not sure what postfix is missing compared to postfix??? er, sendmail :-) jamest: I dunno sjc (~sjc@cpc2-seve3-4-0-cust112.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "sleeping" something about not being able to trust your own config files postfix sure is missing that feature lol It is missing a feature that lets me set uid:gid for pipe commands from a database, may not be needed for basic mailing, but for Mailman integration it is. That is unless you like doing things from hash tables, which I don't it can pull uid and gid from postgres/mysql... is that not what you're talking about? night all reinhard (~reinhard@M1250P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Those are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't." jcater: yeah, but only for users. It can't do this for aliases to pipe commands jcater: I tried a number of ways, and found it not possible, it was confirmed by Wietse Venem There currenlty is no way to propagate from within a non-file map the ownership of the data. Wietse --^ from the email he just sent me :( jcater: if you have a workaround, I'd love to hear about it ;) that makes it featureless? nope never done anything like that jcater: I only have one issue, it's that I need to execute the Mailman script through a pipe command that requires it to be executed by the mailman user and group. I'm just using the hash table for now jcater: which isn't really very pretty wendall911: why do you need to do that? Action: jamest used to run mailman w/ postfix but never had to do anything like that Action: jamest is curious jamest: I want to manage the aliases from a database, doing things from hash tables is a pita jamest: I like managing things from a database, it makes designing management interfaces very simple jamest: I'm sure you have some experience in that area ;) ah, you setup your aliases in a database file then pull direct from that ? jamest: yep Action: jamest does dns and dhcp from a postgresql database but setup gnue-reports reports file to generate the apps native format jamest: it works great for everything but pipe commands which works ok but i have to remember to run the reports not that I ever forget, nope, not me, never :) heh gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-23-164-75.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. bddebian (bddebian@pcp08545886pcs.lndsd101.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" dimas (~ds@195.218.177.46) got netsplit. chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-201-211.wi.rr.com) got netsplit. wendall911 (~wendallc@wendallc.icehouse.net) got netsplit. chillywilly (~danielb@CPE-24-167-201-211.wi.rr.com) returned to #gnuenterprise. wendall911 (~wendallc@wendallc.icehouse.net) returned to #gnuenterprise. dimas (~ds@195.218.177.46) returned to #gnuenterprise. 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Hey. Reading logs... In regards to Datemasks / DateTime fields... siesel (~jan@61-216-92-158.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #gnuenterprise. morning Could we not just store the timestamp (in UTC) in the DB field, and then use the local system settings (Date Format, TZ, etc) to format the time correctly? It means a bit more work in a 2-tier, but on an N-tier system, it makes much more sense... especially if the system is geographically diverse... eg. a single enterprise that spans all of the US... gsoti_away (~gsoti@adsl-68-23-164-75.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined #gnuenterprise. Hello someon, siesel hi bddebian Yo! someon: IMHO the senario make sense and could be implemented as a datetime mask option Nods. Though there are limitations that it imparts on App Design... What kind of? Eg. if you say that Open and Close have to be on the same day, then the hour manipulations can cause troubles Open and Close being beginning of work day and end of work day respectively jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection I have a shift that starts at 15:30 Pacific (UTC-8) and ends at 00:00 Pacific ... crosses day boundary ok. it means that there should be an easy way to access local time through triggers Yeah... "Should be" is not always "is" though :) while 1 { head.bang(wall); } heh heh As I mean gnue-forms trigggers, the road from "should" to "is" isn't very hard to go It really should be read as a setup item (ie. as gnue-forms is initializing) jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. They should be env vars on any *nix, but for Win ports it's usually hard to pick up jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection hmmm, i think its better to define it for every datetime entry. hrm. OK... My offset is not nicely in a env like I thought. LANG=en_US.UTF-8 D'oh. I'm dense. Anyway... UTC offset for local time should not change between fields See caveat 1 above (Should != is) jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #gnuenterprise. http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/screenshots/navigator-embedded.png great Nice screenshot not bad for a 10 minute coding session eh? :) Yeah... tres cool eat me Action: bddebian is jealous :-) oh just wait Action: jcater has visions of kparts dancing in his head ugh Action: bddebian has PostScript dancing in his head and is getting a headache... :-( (sorry) show :-) Trying to make a recursive factorial procedure using a local variable and it's killing me.. :-( jcater: nice. It's working in most cases. need a way to switch between open forms and some good testing I honestly didn't expect it to go as smoothly as it did Does it still use the -common connect stuff? ie. could it be pointed against AppServer? adding another row of tabs IMHO doesn't make sense no err, that no was to siesel someon: that's just gnue-forms works well w/appserver Nods... Cool. Theoretically works well with where I'd like to deploy... siesel: if you restrict to singleton form behavior (only one of a particular type of form can be running at any given time) Though there's still a fair bit of polish that would need to be applied before I could I could see you indicating in the tree what's running and let that be used to switch or I could see something else on the left too I sent someone (jcater?) a screenshot of the ERP currently in use, but didn't have enough documentation to go with it, so it was pretty much useless Action: someon thinks back like 6 months.... who was it? someon: you can access navigator files, form files etc. through http, so you can just put the files on apache or even on an directory served by appserver I'm going the apache route I think appserver could work too but I'd been thinking in terms of just using apache since I have it running internally anyway jcater: indicating it in the tree looks best I think jcater (~jcater@cpe-066-061-071-147.midsouth.rr.com) left irc: "sleep" someon: an other option is to pack all forms you use into a zip archive. then you can access files in the archives through gear://zipfile/path_in_archive jamest (foobar@adsl-66-142-220-31.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left #gnuenterprise ("Kopete 0.8.0 RC1 : http://kopete.kde.org"). Actually it's not the form delivery options that are the problems... it's the polish in the UI It's better than MS Access, but not quite as clean as the (troublesome) existing ERP Also, I'd have to port all the existing ERP apps to GNUe yes. IMHO GNUe has to be improved in this area. But its important to keep it stringent on all supported ui platforms. Agreed I love the idea of being able to SSH from a portable device (Zaurus?) to a server, and run the NCurses version from there I don't know enough about UI coding to be able to help with the polishing of the UI having some screenshots or some UI mockups would already help a lot although ERP apps follow MS Office UI style in many ways, there are many special navigation features, which makes sense but are not so widly known. If we have a catalog of possible navigation features we can discuss them and decide which makes sense to implement for gnue. One feature that I really like in the ERP I use, is the Ctrl-Enter Commit/Run Search keybinding. Much like Ctrl-Enter sends email on Evo, and sends in ICQ bddebian (bddebian@pcp08545886pcs.lndsd101.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" I haven't looked at things since 0.5.2, but the "table" output really needed work... it put several rows of a table into a block; instead of having a Table Widget to handle the rows. It's little things! Damn 80/20 This can be set for gnue already. In gnue.conf change "key_Commit = Ctrl-Enter" Nods. I figured as much I worked with an ERP which opened other forms when double clicking fields in a table view nevertheless, I have to go. Yup. The one I'm working with ATM *can* do that, but doesn't have to Cool. 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