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<dneighbo> jamest: for the log
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<dneighbo> i dont understand the need to lay postscript files over one another
<dneighbo> but thats just me
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<thierry> morning gnuers
<btami> hello thierry
<thierry> hello btami
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<greyboy> anyone on hand to help with a hopefully simple driver error ?
<reinhard> greyboy: i can try
<greyboy> ok ! hi there. i'll try to be brief but i know this can be tricky with details ...
<greyboy> have gone back to loading redhat 7.3 and followed details for setting up ..
<reinhard> to start with
<greyboy> think i have created posgres db correctly
<reinhard> what do you want to try
<reinhard> ?
<greyboy> but on running the appserver i get no database driver found for provider type postgresql
<reinhard> ah ok
<greyboy> even though ( i think) i have all component parts installed ...
<reinhard> do you use the prereleases or the official releases?
<reinhard> (not that this is important for this problem, but i am curious)
<greyboy> the official ones I believe ..
<reinhard> for a postgresql database, there are 4 different providers
<reinhard> * psycopg
<reinhard> * pypgsql
<reinhard> * popy
<reinhard> * pygresql
<reinhard> each of these needs a python library that usually comes as a separate package in your distribution of choice
<reinhard> so try to find which of these 4 you have a package availabel for rh 7.3
<reinhard> and use it as "provider" (instead of "postgresql")
<greyboy> think i have tried this with PyGreSQL-3.4 (it's rh 7.2 btw)
<reinhard> then you should have "provider = pygresql" in your connections.conf
<greyboy> still the same error ...
<greyboy> how do i check pygresql is in the correct place ?
<reinhard> you can try
<reinhard> python
<reinhard> from gnue.common.datasources.drivers.postgresql import pygresql
<greyboy> it's actually python2.1 (as per instructions from community/docs/redhat_install)
<greyboy> thats ok ..
<reinhard> no error message?
<reinhard> hmmm
<greyboy> which suggests that this is running python rather than python2.1 somewhere ?
<greyboy> but the appserver script points to 2.1 ?
<reinhard> do you have different versions of python installed?
<reinhard> the appserver script should use /usr/bin/env python IIRC
<greyboy> yes. 1.5.2 and 2.1.1
<reinhard> that is it should be run with "python"
<reinhard> the import you tried
<reinhard> did you try with "python" or with "python2.1"?
<reinhard> :x
<reinhard> oops
<reinhard> wrong window
<greyboy> import was python2.1 - same as in first line of appserver caller script ...
<reinhard> hmmm...
<greyboy> shall i remove 1.5.2 possibly ?
<reinhard> it should do no harm actually
<reinhard> to make sure, can you try to call
<reinhard> python2.1 gnue-appserver
<reinhard> ?
<greyboy> still same ...
<reinhard> strange
<reinhard> can you maybe try another driver
<reinhard> ?
<reinhard> like psycopg?
<btami> try to import the python dbdrivers in python without gnue.bla-bla
<reinhard> oh sorry
<reinhard> i just saw
<reinhard> pygresql driver had a bug in last release :(
<reinhard> please try with psycopg if there is a package for redhat
<greyboy> seems it was on init.d.org but this site is down ...
<greyboy> and most pages point to this site for the download !! doh, maybe i'll try that one later ..
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<reinhard> greyboy: you can try something else
<reinhard> there should be a .../common/datasources/drivers/postgresql/pygresql/__init__.py
<reinhard> probably somewhere under /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib or /usr/local/gnue
<reinhard> around line 48 it says
<reinhard> _pg_driver = pgbd
<reinhard> it should say
<reinhard> _pg_driver = pgdb
<reinhard> (the last 2 letters exchanged)
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<reinhard> with that changed, pygresql should work, too
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<greyboy> ouch ! just came back to the channel a bit late ! I've installed py 3.3pre011203 and it worked !
<greyboy> i'll bear it in mind for later anyway cheers !!
<reinhard> ok
<reinhard> what did you install?
<greyboy> PyGreSQL-3.3-pre011203
<reinhard> and it worked??
<reinhard> doh
<greyboy> do we have anyone that has started on any financial systems yet? ie
<greyboy> nominal sales purchase sales order processing - stock modules to name but a few ?
<greyboy> another one for you .. on starting the designer I get wxSplashScreen is not defined ..
<btami> you can "fix" it using disableSplash=1 in /etc/gnue/gnue.conf or something...
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<greyboy> which didn't work even restarting server ?
<btami> no, just designer
<greyboy> i suspect i have something else missing/wrong toolkit wise perhaps ?
<btami> oh wait, you said designer, not forms
<btami> have you installed forms too ?
<greyboy> yes
<btami> is it working with intro.gfd ?
<btami> it's in share/doc/gnue-forms/samples maybe
<greyboy> ah seems ok !
<btami> is designer working ok?
<btami> or forms?
<greyboy> no just forms
<btami> can you paste the last 5-6 lines you got from designer?
<greyboy> does this need any arguments to run (thinks rtfm!)
<btami> designer? no
<greyboy> erm not easily ... its not on a box at work ... (i'm multitasking if youknow what i mean !!)
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<greyboy> methinks its tme to print out the python manual perhaps ....
<btami> hmm, it remembers me something similar on win32
<btami> can you just type the error line # and the file name, etc.
<greyboy> wxsplash is part of additional toolkit to python ?
<btami> it's in wxpython
<btami> but if you can run gnue-forms, it's a designer bug related to wx
<greyboy> perhaps I should try using GTK ?
<btami> no, gnue-designer has written in wx
<btami> and it needs 2.4x IIRC
<greyboy> oh ! rpm -qa gives wxPython-2.3.2.1-1
<btami> bingo :)
<btami> please upgrade it to 2.4
<greyboy> i can feel another search coming up !
<btami> me too :)
<greyboy> perhaps we could stuff these on an ftp site possibly ?
<btami> the setup docs needs some updating
<greyboy> looks like the compile option for the latest is the way to go but ...
<greyboy> i've had lots of problems with dependencies doing this.... and being on redhat7.2
<greyboy> might prove to be tricky ...
<greyboy> what do you reckon ?
<btami> sorry, what reckon meens? my english is limited :(
<btami> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPythonGTK-py2.3-2.4.2.4-1.i386.rpm
<btami> or
<btami> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPythonGTK-py2.2-2.4.2.4-1.i386.rpm
<btami> maybe you have to upgrade your python and python modules too
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<jamest> welcome back bigbrother!
<jamest> that means ash is up :)
<jamest>               raise ImportError, "How the fsck did I get here?"
<jcater> I ask myself that daily
<jamest> I assume this isn't something we want reported to an end user?
<bddebian> Why not? :-)
<jbailey> jamest: Well, it's marginally better than the redirect to goatse.cx that I suggested putting in there.
<bddebian> Heh
<jamest> lol
<johannesV> bbl
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<reinhard> bbl
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<revDeke> anyone here running debian woody (stable) boxes?
<revDeke> in production environment (/me hopes nearly everyone says yes)
<revDeke> jcater?
<revDeke> jamest?
<chillywilly> testingt
<chillywilly> I have a testing box in production
<chillywilly> stable is too old ;)
<revDeke> well i was wondering if anyone had used a back port of postgres
<revDeke> i think stable has 7.2
<revDeke> and unstable 7.4
<revDeke> i have an app that wants 7.3 or greater
<chillywilly> I setup apt so that testing packages take priority then I add unstable lines and pull over the new postgres via: apt-get -t sid install postgresql
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<dsmith> chillywilly: I want to do that.  Subversion 1.0 is now in Sid.
<jamest> revDeke: i wouldn't run a debian postgresql install
<dsmith> chillywilly: What did you change in /etc/ for that?
<jamest> it's in /etc/apt
<jamest> apt.conf.d directory
<jamest> like I use this
<jamest> jamest@newton:~$ more /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10distro
<jamest> APT::Default-Release "stable";
<jamest> then even if I list testing or sid in my sources it won't use them
<dsmith> AH
<jamest> revDeke: i've had 100% failure rate with .deb based postgresql installes
<jamest> during the upgrade process
<jcater> revDeke: I have 7.3 backports on one woody machine
<jcater> but I kind of side w/jamest on this
<jcater> it was a pain to upgrade to 7.3
<jcater> and I'm sure it'll be a royal pain next time
<jamest> i have 1 .deb postgresql install still
<jamest> on a web server
<jcater> yeah, this one is on my web server
<jamest> but i won't replace it with another .deb based one
<dsmith> jamest: THanks. Working nicely.
<jamest> np
<dsmith> Anyone familiar with mdadm?
<jcater> I've used it before
<jamest> damn you youngsters
<jamest> when I was young you setup your software raid the way god and nature intended, via the /etc/raidtab
<jamest> and vi
<jamest> and we liked it that way
<dsmith> I thought I had a nice array.  So I booted the box with one drive unplugged.  Now it never (automatically) adds it to the array, even though I've added it by hand several times (mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda2)
<jamest> does mdadm also replace raidhotadd
<dsmith> yep
<jamest> ah, i thought it just automated the raidtab file maint
<dsmith> mdadm is all you need nowadays
<jcater> no
<jcater> raidtab is history
<dsmith> Of course, I'm doing things the hard way, with / on raid and using grub to boot.
<jcater> http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareRaid
<jcater> is what I used to setup my machine
<dsmith> Thanks.
<dsmith> I've seen that page before, but couldn't find it when I started.
<dsmith> I've been using the HOWTO.
<jcater> ah
<jcater> I'm sorry
<dsmith> Especially the bit in http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html on how to bootstrap a raid system in-place.
<revDeke> so you compile postgres
<jamest> yes
<jamest> the quick, quick version
<revDeke> im curious as doenst that make installing everything dependent on postgres a bitch
<jamest> apt-get install postgresql 
<jamest> apt-get remove postgres
Action: revDeke has had very good luck so far with postgres installs
<jamest> apt-get remove postgresql
<jamest> (to create the user if you don't want to dick with it)
<jamest> then
<jamest> cd source dir
<jamest> ./configure
<jamest> make
<jamest> make install
<jamest> 9 out of 10 that'll do ya
<jamest> no, go ahead and install the postgresql client libs from the deb
<jamest> i do that
<jamest> unless they versions won't talk over tcp/ip
<jamest> it's not the .deb package quality that's at issue 
<jamest> it's the upgrade script
<jamest> it hates your data
<jamest> and will trash it the first chance it gets
<chillywilly> I never have debian updrade postgres automagically
<chillywilly> dsmith: I didn't do it like jamest did
<chillywilly> ,--8<-
<chillywilly> |Package: *
<chillywilly> |Pin: release testing
<chillywilly> |Pin-Priority: 900
<chillywilly> | 
<chillywilly> |Package: *
<chillywilly> |Pin: release unstable
<chillywilly> |Pin-Priority: 600
<chillywilly> `-->8-
<chillywilly> that's my file called /etc/apt/preferences
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<dsmith> Ahh
<dsmith> chillywilly: Thanks
<chillywilly> np
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<dsmith> Hah
<dsmith> FOund it.
<dsmith> I needed to update the initrd.
<dsmith> It still thought I only had a degraded array with only one drive.
<ajmitch> morning
<jamest> afternoon
<ogger> hello all!!
<ogger> I'm new to gnue enterprise
<ajmitch> hi
<ogger> I'm listening the irc channel since a few days, in order to know more about gnue enterprise.
<ogger> hi ajmitch
Action: ajmitch scrolls up & sees jcater using the wlug wiki for info.. how ironic
<jcater> isn't it ironic?
<jcater> just a little too ironic?
<jamest> it's like rain
<jcater> yeah, I really do think.
<jamest> on your wedding day
<jamest> jcater: but if put a pic of yourself nakid on the outside of a gnue CD then I quit
<ajmitch> sigh
<ajmitch> bbl, time for uni :)
<jamest> ogger: feel free to ask questions
<jcater> ..or sing along
<ogger> yesterday I tried the 0.5.2 version, but the gnue-forms expands the form over tho screens, it seems a bug.
<jamest> what platform, ui driver?
<ogger> after, I tested 0.5.99, The gnue-forms work quite well, but where is gnue-designer 0.5.99????
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<ogger> I'm testing on fedora core 1
<ogger> mysql, python 2.2.3
<ogger> gnue-designer does not work (connect) with gnue-common 0.5.99
<jamest> you're using a designer, forms and common 0.5.99?
<reinhard> i guess you mean 0.5.2.99 :)
<ogger> no. I can't find designer 0.5.99 on the web site.
<ogger> sorry, yes I mean 0.5.2.99.
<reinhard> there we go
<reinhard> we hoped designer 0.5.2 would work with common 0.5.2.99
<reinhard> so it seems we have to release designer, too
<ogger> designer starts, but when you try to connect or create a datasource it does nothing
<jamest> hmmm
<jamest> any reason i can't whip up a 0.5.2.99-pre1 now?
<reinhard> *i* don't see one
<reinhard> but jcater seemed to expect issues
<jcater> I was nervous
<jcater> w/o specific reasons
<jcater> but jamest seems to be having good luck w/designer head
<jcater> so I'm fine w/it
<jamest> any gotchas in the prerelease process now that we're svn?
<jamest> other than the .svn files
<reinhard> jamest: i fixed that
<reinhard> also for designer IIRC
<reinhard> just follow the process in technote 00011 for common ;-)
<jamest> so setup.py sdist will do the right thing
<reinhard> GNUE_VERSION_SUFFIX=-pre1 ./setup.py sdist --format='gztar,zip'
<jamest> ok, i have a script for that :)
<reinhard> scp dist/* $LOGNAME@www.gnuenterprise.org:/var/www/downloads/prereleases
<reinhard> and please do not increase the version number for releases
<reinhard> and do not set release to 1
<jamest> ah
<reinhard> s/for releases/for prereleases/
<jamest> why not?
<jamest> we'd hit 1.0 sooner
<reinhard> last time we agreed it's better to have a prerelease be
<reinhard> 0.5.2.99-pre1
<reinhard> than 0.5.3-pre1
<reinhard> when the final release will be 0.5.3
<reinhard> speaking of comparing release numbers
<wendall911> reinhard: I use that on my projects, works well
<reinhard> wendall911: that == ?
<wendall911> reinhard: we added additional params for supplemental releases like 0.5.3-1
<wendall911> reinhard: phpWebSite
<reinhard> wendall911: so you first have 0.5.3 and then 0.5.3-1, right
<reinhard> ?
<wendall911> reinhard: yeah
<reinhard> that's ok
<reinhard> i'm talking about first having 0.5.3-pre1 and then 0.5.3
<wendall911> reinhard: it's so that if you get into a situation with a new set of code in cvs for 0.5.4, but want to do small bug fixes and releases for 0.5.3, you can just do -1, etc
<wendall911> reinhard: then a release cycle for a particular build might be 0.5.3-pre1, 0.5.3-pre2, 0.5.3, 0.5.3-1, etc..
<jamest> ok
<jamest> designer 0.5.2.99-pre1 is uploaded
<reinhard> jamest: thanks :)
<wendall911> reinhard: It actually ended up making sense to end users as well
<jamest> np, i didn't test beyond compiling
<jamest> but i've been using from cvs a lot lately
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<ogger> jamest: thanks for the upload. i se it now, but, do yue have noted the difference in the prerelease number?
<jamest> i made it a pre1
<jamest> as we didn't make prereleases of designer before today
<ogger> Ok. You're right
<ogger> I will try it tonight.
<reinhard> night all
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<ajmitch> wendall911: it can also completely screw up distro versioning :)
<wendall911> ajmitch: I'm not an expert in versioning by any means
<dsmith> Anyone know of any xml-fo processing/translating programs that are not java?
<wendall911> ajmitch: I could just call it XP or CS or MX or some silly crap like that
<wendall911> dsmith: xml-po?
<ajmitch> that's why you can see versions like 2.9.999+3.0.alpha1 in debian :)
<ajmitch> because 3.0.alpha1 is considered higher than 3.0, iirc 
<dsmith> -FormattingObjects, iirc
<wendall911> dsmith: oh, for processing computer languages
<wendall911> dsmith: there are many parsers available in other languages, depends on what you are parsing...docbook?
<jcater> dsmith: unfortunately not
<jcater> if so, I'd likely be basing gnue reports off of it
<jcater> iirc, the original XML-FO proof-of-concept was done in python
<jcater> but people screamed, so they redid it in java
<dsmith> Ya, it all seems to be in Java.
<wendall911> jcater: there are several not written in java for docbook, are you talking a garbage processor
<wendall911> jcater: just for any old xml document, valid or not
<jcater> no
<jcater> XML-FO is a printing/object specification for XML
<jcater> kind of like SVG is for vector graphics
<jcater> XML-FO is for page layout
<jcater> (overly simplified, but that's one use)
<wendall911> jcater: hmm, i thought it was File Output
<jcater> formatting objects, iirc
<wendall911> jcater: that's how i've seen it referenced before is all
<dsmith> Nope. Page layout.
<wendall911> ok, understood
<dsmith> "Formatting Objects"
<dsmith> It's almost at the place where docs can be in xml.
<wendall911> dsmith: ahh, I remember now
<wendall911> dsmith: I seem to remember seeing a python project like what jcarter was speaking of at one time
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