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<ajmitch> ok, time for me to run off again..
<ajmitch> bbl
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<SachaS> hi reinhard
<SachaS> reinhard: gnue-appserver is working ;) installed it last night and played with it this morning.
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<SachaS> still on an expensive dial up. see you later.
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<jamest> good day, a few questions for the gnue-schema people
<jamest> in the gnue-contrib/web-po/schema I tried creating foreign key constraints
<jamest> however each file contains only 1 table w/ schema.gsd importing the tables from the other files
<jamest> i can't seem to get any constraint to see the tables imported from other files
<jamest> is this by design?  should i keep all related tables together
<johannesV> jamest: hmm, at the moment gnue-schema checks if all related tables are in the processed gsd-file. if a table is missing an exception is raised
<jamest> doe sit do this during/after a phased init of the tree (i assume this is using common's gobjs)
<jamest> s/doe sit/does it
<johannesV> right, it's in the phase-init of GSConstraint
<johannesV> anyway it's a quite hard restriction if a datamodel is large and therefore split up into multiple gsd-files
<jamest> i don't understand
<jamest> you mean it does require them to all be in the same file?
<johannesV> yes, at the moment all related tables must be in the same file
<jamest> ok, bummer
<johannesV> but I'm thinking about removing this restriction 
<jamest> well
<jamest> here is something else i'm hitting
<jamest> <data>
<jamest> is it supported ?
<jamest> forgive me for not reading thru the code 
<johannesV> what do you mean with <data> ?
<johannesV> if <data> means something like:
<johannesV>   <data>
<johannesV>     <tabledata name="sample_persons" tablename="worlds_best_psychotherapists">
<johannesV>       <rows>
<johannesV>         <row>
<johannesV>           <value>1</value>
<johannesV>           <value>Freud</value>
<johannesV>           <value>Sigmund</value>
<johannesV>           <value>Austria</value>
<johannesV>         </row>
<johannesV>         <row>
<johannesV>           <value>2</value>
<johannesV>           <value>Sullivan</value>
<johannesV>           <value>Peter</value>
<johannesV>           <value>USA</value>
<johannesV>         </row>
<johannesV>                 <!-- More rows -->
<johannesV>       </rows>
<johannesV>     </tabledata>
<johannesV> </data>
<johannesV> than the answer is: yes
<johannesV> :)
<jamest> lol
<jamest> i couldn't get it to work
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i was dead tired yday when I tried
<jamest> i open the file this AM and what jumps out at me
<jamest>     <tabledata name="default_statuses" tablename="user_status>
Action: jamest kicks kopete for not displaying anything
<jamest> hope you see that :)
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<chillywilly> anyone know if you can catch multiple exceptions in an except block and still pecofy an instance?
<chillywilly> specify
<chillywilly> wth
<chillywilly> wth is pecofy?
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<johannesV> jamest: can you send me the gsd-file which isn't working by mail ?
<johannesV> jamest: johannes.vetter@bytewise.at
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<johannesV> bbl
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<jamest> johannesV: they are all in gnue-contrib repository
<jamest> but i see at least a few typos
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<jbailey> jamest: Does -common offer any database indepedant versioning?
<jbailey> (not specific to jamest, sorry)
<jamest> to track changes in table values? no
<jbailey> 'kay, thanks.
<jamest> that's fairly trivial in postgresql fwiw
<jamest> i can send sample
<jbailey> Ah? Hmm.  Will that keep me from using -common eventually for this thing?
<jamest> it's postgresql specific rules 
<jamest> i use w/ gnue now
<jamest> it just ties you to the db
<jbailey> Ah, okay.
<jbailey> Yeah, please send along.  Dunno if I can use it but I'll see.
<jbailey> Means I'll have to give up my beloved mysql.
<jbailey> =)
<Sacha> since i apt-get upgraded unstable my k7 machine starts to freeze :(
<Sacha> this is not good.
<jbailey> My k7's fine on current unstable.
<reinhard> night all
<jbailey> Are you using a 2.6 kernel?
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<Sacha> jbailey using 2.4 and 2.6 debs
<jbailey> Are you having freezing in both?
<Sacha> yes
<jbailey> Weird.
<jbailey> I wonder if your X has gone nuts or something.
<jbailey> What are you doing when it freezes?
<Sacha> i did not start x in 2.6 and the screen went funny (with colors)
<Sacha> in 2.4 it just froze in non X
<wendall911> Sacha: framebuffer
<Sacha> framebuffer ... where are framebuffer settings?
<wendall911> Sacha: I have the same problem with one of my laptops if framebuffer support is compiled into the kernel, even though my vid card is supposed to be supported
<Sacha> frozen again in 2.4 without X
<wendall911> Sacha: not sure how debian does it, but it should be loaded as a module
<wendall911> Sacha: yeah, sounds like a framebuffer problem for sure
<Sacha> ok
<wendall911> Sacha: I just recompiled my kernel without support and all was well
<Sacha> thats what i try ;) to recompile on that machine but keeps freezing :|
<Sacha> ok reboot again and check modules
<wendall911> Sacha: there is a boot parameter to disable framebuffer as well
<wendall911> Sacha: that would be the best way to tell
<Sacha> ok. will search for that boot option
<wendall911> Sacha: vga=normal
<Sacha> ;) ok will try.
<wendall911> Sacha: http://toganm.tripod.com/framebuffer.html#AEN2347
<wendall911> Sacha: looks relevant
<Sacha> still terrible with 2.6 kernel
<Sacha> in grub i just add vga=normal to the kernel line?
Action: Sacha reboots to 2.4
<wendall911> Sacha: yeah, just add it to the end of the kernel line
<Sacha> 2.6 does not like it
<wendall911> Sacha: may be different for 2.6
<Sacha> ok try with 2.4
<Sacha> still running. try do go through make menuconfid ...
<Sacha> still running. will compile own 2.6.4 kernel without framebuffer.
<wendall911> Sacha: cool, I hope that fixes things
<Sacha> thank you very much wendall911
<wendall911> Sacha: no problem
<wendall911> Sacha: since I can be of no use for gnue, I might as well give useful information when I can
<Sacha> ;)
<Sacha> offline for a while
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<sacha> back ;)
<wendall911> sacha: working now?
<sacha> still compiling
<sacha> but 2.4 has not frozen yet.
<sacha> so the problem was probably framebuffer, as you said.
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<sacha> wendall911 something strange with this machine. kernel compiled, i booted, forgot the root directive in grub, now it will not even show bios.
<sacha> think something wrong with the machine ... memory? videocard?
<wendall911> sacha: that's weird
<wendall911> sacha: turn the power off, unplug and discharge power by pressing the power button for a few seconds
<wendall911> sacha: then try to boot
<sacha> yep now it goes into the bios
<wendall911> sacha: ok cool
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<sacha> something wrong with this machine.
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<wendall911> sacha: hopefully it didn't damage your vid card
<sacha> i am sick of it
<sacha> i become farmer!
<sacha> going to bed. thanks for your help wendall911
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<chillywilly> hi
<chillywilly> dere
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<derek> hi
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<chillywi1ly> hmmmm
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<chillywilly> omg
<chillywilly> wtf was he doing at work at 9pm?
<chillywilly> psyco
<ajmitch> I'd say
<derek> jcater committing stuff but not around?
<derek> oh he just levet
<derek> er left
<derek> if someone sees him on return ask him about commit of web stuff
<derek> it has me worried we will be having web code in two different places
Action: derek isnt opposed to moving it all to ash... just we need to be in one place or the other
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<chillywilly> heh
<chillywilly> tell him ourself derek 
<chillywilly> yourself
<chillywilly> ,--8<-
<chillywilly> |21:14 < derek> jcater committing stuff but not around?
<chillywilly> |21:14 < derek> oh he just levet
<chillywilly> |21:14 < derek> er left
<chillywilly> |21:15 < derek> if someone sees him on return ask him about commit of web stuff
<chillywilly> |21:15 < derek> it has me worried we will be having web code in two different places
<chillywilly> `-->8-
<chillywilly> that for you Jason
<chillywilly> that's
<jcater> don't worry
<jcater> be happy
<chillywilly> hehe
<jcater> fwiw, we have some cool stuff going on w/the web thingy, but to do so we really need our web stuff accessible w/in the main repository
<jcater> also, afaik, reinhard is the only one who currently has access to the gnu's www cvs right now
<jcater> w/o a bit of work
<jcater> so what I plan to do is move web stuff into my www/ as I finish it up
<derek> i want all web stuff on ash
<derek> so thats fine
<jcater> then push a static version of our site into gnu www-cvs 
<jcater> via cron
<derek> but its on my list to get savannah account redone and make a ton of fixes pending in my todo list for dcl
<derek> so please if we start this (and im grateful)
<derek> can we have done in a few days :)
<derek> so we dont end up with a half foot and half foot out :)
<jcater> start this?
<derek> i.e. im VERY PRO THIS MOVE
<jcater> I've been working nonstop for 2 weeks
<jcater> :)
<derek> i only recently noticed the one www commit
<jcater> our cvs mailing list is way behind
<jcater> (or at least was)
Action: chillywilly throws web commits at derek 
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/project/
<jcater> fwiw
<jcater> top left menu is what I'm starting on now
<jcater> and it's mostly a copy of psu's stuff
<jcater> but each tool has a ton of info now
<jcater> that's autogenerated from svn files
<jcater> (i.e., when we update the tools in svn, the website automatically follows)
<chillywilly> cool
<jcater> no criticisms yet, as I have a ways to go
<jcater> and likely not all done/working yet
<chillywilly> you suck jcater 
<chillywilly> ;P
<chillywilly> *yawn*
<chillywilly> mother of pearl
<chillywilly> I need some damn sleep
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/tools/common/databases/
<jcater> that's generated from the gnue.common.datasources.drivers directory
<chillywilly> pretty
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/tools/forms/
<jcater> is generated from the README, et al 
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/tools/forms/docs/faq.php
<jcater> is generated from FAQ
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/tools/forms/0.5.2/
<jcater> is generated from NEWS
<chillywilly> cool
<jcater> ooo
<jcater> and of course
<jcater> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/demo/tools/forms/roadmap.php
<jcater> (which I need to update for reports)
<chillywilly> wow
<chillywilly> looks really nice
<ajmitch> secksy
Action: icltlfatppl is away: I'm busy
<derek> very cool
<derek> i hope someday we can actually use dcl to generate roadmaps and changelogs and other things
<jcater> derek: in thinking about dcl earlier today
<derek> as more features are being added to it all the time that are more "software" related
<jcater> I'm almost of the opinion we need to turn off the email gateway and only use the web gateway
<jcater> as the clutter just gets so old
<jcater> clutter = penis enlargement bugs, etc
<derek> we really need to upgrade to 0.9.4 (/me begs ajmitch for debs)
<derek> jcater: we need to find out how reportbug solves this spam issue
<derek> as i find it very convienent to submit bugs via email
<jcater> derek: I found out the hard way
<derek> BUT
<jcater> I typed up a long bug report using reportbug
<derek> i agree 1000% about clutter needing to be removed
<jcater> but somehow screwed up the Package: header
<jcater> so the email got bounced
<jcater> :-/
<derek> i.e. i agree with it, just would be nice to allow it
<derek> i think maybe we shut off email gate way
<derek> until we can make a "bug buddy" inside our tools
<derek> to "phone home" bug reports
<derek> im not against shutting it off
<derek> as long as it helps us use dcl :)
<derek> we just will have to make a web form to submit these things
<derek> as there is no "web entry" of tickets w/o authentication 
<derek> should not be difficult though
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<jcater> anyone have any search utility favorites?
<jcater> like htdig, etc?
Action: jcater wants to get one set up on our site
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