*** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC nite *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise *** kreiszner has quit IRC *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has quit IRC *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise wee gnue-forms was nmu'd in debian gnue-forms 0.5.2 to be precise *** derek has quit IRC *** ogger has quit IRC *** Vee has quit IRC *** derek has joined #gnuenterprise *** ogger has joined #gnuenterprise *** Vee has joined #gnuenterprise *** icltlfatppl has quit IRC *** dneighbo has joined #gnuenterprise *** icltlfatppl has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard: yes I know that *** derek has quit IRC * reinhard notes that the links on the developer page don't work *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** thierry_ has quit IRC *** thierry has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise good morning hi application server developers *** lekma has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise morning all morning hi johannesV I just saw your two commits. hi all hi reinhard *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** Morphous has quit IRC johannesV: 1) how will/does a procedure with parameters call look like in the forms trigger? johannesV: 2) how will I access a parameter within a procedure? @weather LHUD kilo: The current temperature in Szeged, Hungary is 6°C. Conditions: Light Rain. *** dimas has quit IRC SachaS: procedures are not finished yet, i've just comitted the changes in appservers codebase so reinhard can add his changes to gnue-schema today johannesV: ok. thanks. *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise hello did anyone get my mail I sent about 8 hrs ago in responce to the guy on the ML wanting help with triggers jamest: i think not sigh thanks, i'll resend last one i got from you is about the gnue windows install... ok, i resent reinstalled the home box this week and it's being a bit picky now like to dump mail even though the logs show it as sent *** kilo has quit IRC *** chillywilly has joined #gnuenterprise jamest: can you explain the rationale behind distinguishing between global and local namespace in triggers? you mean in my mail? no in common's trigger code ah can you point me at the code in question, i did that crap a long time ago and can't remember specifics GTrigger has a _globalns and a _triggerns why? why not put everything in a single (preferrably the global) namespace? ah my understanding is that the namespace is destroyed anyway after the trigger has run lemme look and try and crank up the brain we support form wide globals ok gotcha not that that has anything to do with this just firing that out there :) it has i understand now actually it does er, nevermind :) fwiw, there are sample cases of global usage in the Forms Developers Guide *** dsmith has joined #gnuenterprise *** revDeke has joined #gnuenterprise @seen btami revDeke: btami was last seen here 2 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes, and 37 seconds ago saying: afternoon at home anyone know if .exe's for latest release are in the works for win32 platform? or better yet anyone know how to make .exe's off the source? i.e. how involved is it? * revDeke is considering settnig up a machine here at work to make them as i hope to need them @help revDeke: (help [] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. @list revDeke: Admin, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, Config, Debian, Dunno, Fun, Google, Http, Karma, Lookup, Misc, Network, News, Note, Owner, Python, Quotes, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, Todo, User, and Weather @help quotes revDeke: (quotes [ ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Quotes plugin. Use 'list Quotes' to see the commands provided by this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's command to use. @list quotes revDeke: add, get, info, random, remove, and stats i kinda wish bigbro sent help in private :( jamest i agree 100% jamest: /msg works nothing against you revDeke :) (doesn't it?) * revDeke apologizes in advance for mudding against the channel ah, cool i'll try i noticed it in the logs the other day yes! prefect! yes it does * revDeke figured it wouldnt it's been quite a while on the winders stuff help works, but not the commands :( Error: Command must be sent in a channel or include a channel in its arguments. but on the initial ones i did there were a couple of files you needed. i thought i even put in a howot "or include a channel in its arguments." jamest: any info you can get in the wiki to make them would be great jamest: yeah but if you put a channel in the argument it will make it go to the channel doh it didnt it made go in query 'sweet'!! is that really a doc for the wiki though? seems more a developers docs rather than targeted to the majority we already have a windows install guide in the wiki and I wouldn't want to overload or confuse well the doc on the wiki is already confusing as it says windows install and to me that is a developer install i.e. its not an .exe install (which is an end user install) it basically says how to install tarball (or svn) versions on windows which *is* helpful wow but if it was my first exposure to gnue as windows user i would run btami has changed this stuff a lot, much nicer personally if its documented i could care less where :) .txt works fine for me i can't find anything new my first draft instructions are at /home/jamest/svn/gnue/gnue-designer/packaging/inno in the README no clue if a variation of them would work or not hmm probably best to wait for btami was hoping thre was something close as i have 4 machines to install gnue on and really wanted to use stable version * revDeke thinks i will just install svn version here in all its glory on windows i would to pose myself to be able to make .exes down the road fwiw dropdowns on windows are broken in 0.5.3 also i can point the boys to the howto and have them follow it to help test the documentation :) jamest: in wx only? or in gtk as well? * revDeke notes i think we might look at fixing the gtk2 driver @quotes random revDeke: #1: No army can stop an idea whose time has come. -- Victor Hugo last i knew gtk wasn't feature complete but by all means use it instead, please * revDeke has to run and find the 120 million dollars that seems to be lost in general government ..... and get it up to speed check the pants pocket "Is that a roll of million dollar bills in your pocket? or Are you just glad to see me?" * revDeke notes he hopes they are lost on paper only : bbl *** revDeke has quit IRC *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise hey bigbrother has stolen my mail signature!! no derek did and force bigbro to say it the big meanie @seen jcater Vee: jcater was last seen here 12 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds ago saying: (which stalled) @user list Vee: jcater and V @seen --user jcater Vee: jcater was last seen here 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 32 seconds ago saying: supybot *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** grigora has joined #gnuenterprise hi reinhard: are you gnueing? hey people hi chillywilly I have an issue with mny buddy's debian testing box the thing kernel oops'd and crashed (I guess I should've upgraded the kernel right away) and now certain core utilities seemed to be screwed up...I get messages about forks failing and apt hangs and looks like some shell utility crashes for that too...anyone have a clue on how I can fix it without having to reinstall ;P s/thing// this is not cool hell I can't even unpack the data.tar.gz in coreutils knoppix? yea I suppose I dunno what else to say *** revDeke has joined #gnuenterprise pooh i saw btami make a commit, but he didnt show up here jamest: do you have username@gnuenterprise.org mapped to anything useful? um i.e. have mail aliases been setup for accounts on ash mail on ash works or do i have to hunt down btami's real address :) the mail is delivered there unless people setup forwarding dokey revDeke: hint look at btami's wiki account page thanks np argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please tell me I didn't just get an IRC spam irc spam? i get it somewhat regularlly @note list jcater Vee: You have no unread notes. @help note Vee: (note ) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. @note 1 Vee: jemfinch went and made timestamps an on/off option now.. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~fincher/ChannelLogger.py (Sent to jcater 17 hours, 20 minutes, and 32 seconds ago) *** revDeke has left #gnuenterprise reinhard or johannesV are you here? was looking at appserver source today sort of get it how it works. better i wait for you guys, till the parameters for procedures and return type of procedures work... *** lekma has quit IRC SachaS: i'm here reinhard what are you up t o? appserver adds the parameters right to the procdure and the gsdgen tool gets the parameters also right not sure if there is still a Parameter.py file missing in appservers lang directory. current missing part is that common's trigger handling code doesn't respect parameters yet which appserver uses brb back wb *** deke has joined #gnuenterprise nickr or jbailey or debian peoples.... What's up, web server? is there a way to see why packages are horked in unstable i.e. i only had a potato cd bugs.debian.org is usually a good choice. installed that then did dist-upgrade to woody no problems smooth as silk then did dist-upgrade to sid no problems smooth as silk but if i try to get anything desktop related i.e. i haad only installed the base it wont install jack because all the dependencies are broked * deke is thinking this might have to do with transition to gnome 2.6 You'd have to give me more information to guess. Oh. gnome. Yeah. They fucked that by accident. Everything was supposed to be uploaded to experimental, and a piece got into unstable. * deke is just curious as its been a few days... if the packages are gonna be hosed for a while or if there is somethign i can do to circument :) Dunno off hand. I get to figure that out tonight. I'll probably just include the pieces I need from experimental, though. so basically apt-get install gnome yields something to effect of gnome: Depends : PACKAGE FOO, but not going to be installed E: Broken packages i thought at one time their bot had a way to see what was horked or web page, but im not recalling * deke is really wanting a debian desktop (grrr) here at work i guess i will have to burn an unstable disk (if such a thing exists) but will have to wait until tomorrow when a tech is in to do so how wild is experimental? deke: you can try to apt-get install FOO maybe i should try it out fo a bit then you might see *why* it isn't installed reinhard: tried that.. FOO has issues of dependencies as well i suppose i could keep nesting it but i think they are "version" problems once i did that oh i.e. FOO depends on libFOO > .42 but libFOO in unstable is .41 you could try sarge gnome in sarge is quite current ie package maintainer screwed the pooch i see it pretty regularly , but usually its a single package and within a day or two its fixed but this is a CRAP LOAD of packages and its been almost business week how to you go "backwards" ie. go from sid to sarge? is there any trick or is it just apt-get dist-upgrade after changing sources.list well i just change my sources.list and do apt-get update i will give it a try suppose it cant hurt i wouldn't mind if i have any sid packages remaining i am wondering if its worth playing with expiremental nah.. i think i will use sarge until sid is fixed i was happy to finally play with a 2.6 kernel though deke: you could try a real desktop like kde 3.2.1 that is in unstable * jamest runs well im not opposed to that but no gnome apps will run as all the gnome stuff is busted so its bigger issue than just desktop * jamest fails to see the problem with that as honestly at work i would rather use fluxbox * deke reminds jamest that the goal is to use the GTK2 driver for forms here and hopes that highlights the problem :) oh yeah shit man! get that fixed asap! btw: i would be more than pleased with qt driver, but they cant seem to deal with real licensing on the windows platform :( *** jamest has quit IRC reinhard: can you say something about the list property? * SachaS checks the gnue appserver roadmap ok list properties are targeted for gnue-appserver version 0.2.x what exactly is the 'issue' with qt on windows, I dont understand it.. current version of appserver 0.0.6 *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has left #gnuenterprise http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/free.html, I see.. Trolltech supports free software development on platforms where contributing to Free Software/Open Source development is part of the platform strategy. At the time being it does not seem natural for us to release a free edition for Qt/Windows. SachaS: the list property is quite low on our priority list *** johannesV has quit IRC yeah reinhard: i saw its on target for 0.2.x which release do you target return value and parameters? *** dcmwai|AWAY has quit IRC SachaS: next reinhard: thanks! reinhard: i will try the new() global method in a couple of minutes. i saw the find was working. jamest, jcater: any of you here? I assume the global new() procedure does create the gnue_id. SachaS: yep how about non null values? you have to set them before you leave the function or the commit will fail ok. reinhard: here Vee: yes, if there was a free Win32 version you can bet Designer would've been QT-based 2 yrs ago :) jcater: just for fun, i've written a trigger that contains print locals () guess what that gives me :) the local trigger namespace contains tons of stuff {} ? like 'getParameter': , *** reinhard has quit IRC jcater, but I wonder what projects like psi and others that have windows ports of their qt based apps do.. does troll tech make exceptions? psi? http://psi.affinix.com/ jabber client it's a qt jabber client ;P if you GPL the prorgram they don't care if you port it to windows how'd they do that? hmmmm? QT doesn't have a free version for Win32 unless you go a cygwin route neat there's a #qt afaik I am pretty sure they have old free versions psi doesn't require cygwin on windows I didn't mean to imply it did unless it's somehow included as a mini-cygwin which is why I wonder how they did it * jamest give psi to his users here Anyone familiar with how a qt based project, like psi (psi.affinix.com) is able to provide a windows port.. given that there's no free qt version on windows? (or am I mistaken?) there's a non-commercial version of Qt 3.2 for windows if you buy trolltech's book Vee: there's a Qt 3.2 non-commercial and there's some group porting the linux GPLed Qt to windows this is from #qt, btw. *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise who is htis cron daemon guy and why does he keep emailing me? this "Who is this 'General Protection', and *why* is he trying to write to my disk?" lol jamest/jcater any insights to local namespace? that way there be dragons? huh? reinhard: one problem with classrepository.gfd. when adding a new procedure without code, then the commit does not create the procedure in the code. in the database, even SachaS: let me try probably the code filed is a not null field yep code filed is not null, so the commit does not succeed. but no error warning or annything SachaS: you should see a traceback in the terminal where you started gfcvs reinhard: true, that window was hidden behind the classrepository. ok. i still have no idea why forms shows some tracebacks in a window and others in the terminal must be a mess in the code ;) jk jamest: sorry, i didn't understand your comment reinhard: nevermind :) old saliors used to fear the edge of the earth reinhard: jamest was trying to be funny ...and failed * jcater ducks IIRC on some maps they would print "There be dragons" for the parts they feared to enter, go to yeah, well, if I was funny and good with people, why would I be stuck in here? because you luv us so much ok now seriously i don't understand your question the local namespace in a form trigger contains elements with a *name* of '____' is this on purpose?? isnt that used so you can access form field in your trigger code? ok let me put it this way: IIRC when an object w/o a name="" is hit then the trigger code does name = "__%s" % object er, the GFObj code, not the trigger code i'd say exposing anything with a _ or __ into the trigger namespace is not intended you agree mr cater? sure? this is a list of elements in the trigger namespace starting with _ or __: (those being object representations already removed) _triggerGlobal _triggerGet _xmlnamespaces _localTriggerNamespace _xmlnamespace _attributes _validTriggers _triggerFunctions _triggerSet _parent _inits _triggerProperties __main__ __properties__ _object _type _children -- apart from that, some other strange elements are defined in the local namespace like False and True self bytewise (no joke) self had a purpose originally, i just never got it to work :( i wanted named triggers to have self == the object to which the executing trigger was attached to ok what about bytewise? :) that i blame derek in fact, all connection names from connections.conf are there (i have defined a connection with that name) i think jcater added this ok as you have special functions against connections IIRC that are usefull in a trigger