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<PeterD> hi reinhard
<holycow> hi all
<PeterD> hi holycow
<reinhard> hello PeterD
<reinhard> hello holycow
<reinhard> PeterD: just read your mail
<PeterD> thanks
<PeterD> any idea?
<reinhard> unfortunately i could in no way reproduce your problem :(
<reinhard> one thing you could try is adding "-u gtk2" option to forms
<reinhard> that would mean not to use the wx interface but the native gtk interface
<PeterD> will try
<reinhard> although i'm not very optimistic there :(
<reinhard> do i remember correctly your symtpoms?
<reinhard> when you did an empty search,
<reinhard> all fieds showed just nothing
<reinhard> but when you click into a field, the value suddenly shows
<reinhard> is that correct?
<PeterD> yes
<PeterD> but not in properties
<PeterD> DB000:     val = self._currentEntry.getValue()
<PeterD> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFEntry.py", line 158, in getValue
<PeterD> DB000:     return self._field.getValue(*args, **parms)
<PeterD> DB000:   File "/usr/local/gnue/lib/python/gnue/forms/GFObjects/GFField.py", line 229, in getValue
<PeterD> DB000:     value = self._block._resultSet.current.getField(self.field)
<PeterD> DB000: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getField'
<PeterD> no difrence, above last lines of log
<reinhard> when you have done an empty search
<PeterD> yes
<reinhard> can you navigate while you stand in a field of the class (e.g. name)?
<PeterD> no
<reinhard> i mean can you press "next", "previous" etc buttons?
<reinhard> they are all greyed out?
<PeterD> navigation arrows produce nothing
<PeterD> they green
<reinhard> hmmm
<PeterD> on "module" page it searches properly, and navigate with arrows
<PeterD> but "classes" page giving a problem
<reinhard> PeterD: you use standard mandrake 10?
<reinhard> we have lug meeting tomorrow
<reinhard> i'm tempted to borrow a mandrake cd from someone tomorrow and install mandrake on a test machine here
<PeterD> yes, I use standard mandrake10
<PeterD> could be just classrepository.gfd corrupted?
<reinhard> it works for me and for all others that tried
<reinhard> at least AFAICT
<reinhard> bbl
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<PeterD> hi SachaS
<SachaS> hi PeterD
<PeterD> I notice that you are seriously playing wit erp
<SachaS> i would not call that serious :)
<PeterD> but what you have done up to now looks good
<PeterD> I trying to do some postal code module
<SachaS> thanks.
<PeterD> but at the moment got some problems with classrepository.gfd form
<PeterD> so I didn't go fare
<SachaS> i have to go for a soccer game.
<SachaS> maybe i can help you tonight (ahm later :)
<PeterD> good luck
<SachaS> thanks.
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<lekma> any form specialist around?
<lekma> i need some help
<lekma> i badly need some help... :)
* dcmwai is away: take bath
<lekma> DB000:   File "/home/malek/gnue-cvs/gnue/gnue-common/src/definitions/GParser.py", line 279, in startElementNS
<lekma> DB000:     raise MarkupError, tmsg
<lekma> DB000: gnue.common.definitions.GParser.MarkupError: Error processing <options> tag [I do not recognize the "version" attribute
<lekma> but it is written in the form developers guide that i can set <options version="1.2.3"/>
<lekma> oups.... my mistake
<lekma> sorry
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<lekma> is there any way to get a list of all fields/entries in a form from an on-startup trigger??
<lekma> i would like to set all fields readonly at the form launching
<lekma> ok i know it seems stupid
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<lekma> anybody here??
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<SachaS> @weather lsze
<bigbrother> SachaS: Error: No such location could be found.
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* SachaS thinks appserver isnt starting up
<SachaS> DB005: [GConnections:378] Getting new data connection to babyerpp
<SachaS> DB001: [Connection:66] Postgresql database driver initializing
<SachaS> and no further.
<SachaS> did svn up.
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<SachaS> night
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<_florin_> hello
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<florin_> hi! is anybody around to explain me some details of the FSF copyright assignment?
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<dneighbo> how do you delete print jobs in cups?
<dneighbo> i have a ton of crap queued up and cannot delete them
<dneighbo> when i try through the web interface it gives me errors
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* holycow waves
<holycow> okay
<holycow> i downloaded the cvs
<holycow> i'm trying to ./setup.py
<holycow> i get this:  setup.py [global_opts] cmd1 [cmd1_opts] [cmd2 [cmd2_opts] ...]
<holycow> ?
<holycow> sorry wrong step
<holycow> python setup.py install gives: trying to create /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gnue.pth
<holycow> error: /usr/local/gnue: Permission denied
<holycow> are there any steps i need to perform prior to running this? instructions seem to mention nothing other than running the install command?
<holycow> k. i thought i didn't need to be root to install this, obviously i do
<holycow> holy shit this looks like a ton of work already done
<dneighbo> rofl
<dneighbo> i would expect a holycow to produce holy shit ;)
<dneighbo> re: your above statement :)
<holycow> ehehe
<holycow> consider it a miracly a newb can get as far as i did :)
<holycow> y=e
<holycow> naw
<holycow> someone in here told me i didn't haveto be root to install files from cvs
<holycow> obviously erroneous info
<holycow> okay, having the latest stuff, cool.
<holycow> i'm now stuck at the part in the howtowriteanewgnueapplication...pdf file
<holycow> gsscvs  vendor=postgresql  output=postgresql.sql getappserverstarted. gsd  <-- what is that?
<holycow> i got the content of the gsd file from the pdf, saved it as .gsd file... fine .. what the hell is gsscvs and how and where is that run from?
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<jcater> holycow: fwiw, ./setup.py install --root ~/gnue/ will create stuff w/o needing root
<jcater> but you *may* have to set PYTHONPATH in your environ to make it seen
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<holycow> aha!
<holycow> danke :)
<holycow> thats going in the cheat sheet
<holycow> thx jc :)
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<SachaS> hi dcmwai
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<SachaS> hi holycow
<SachaS> i saw you tried to install gne
<SachaS> i saw you tried to install gnue
<SachaS> there is a differnence between a "setup.py" and a "setup-cvs.py" installation.
<holycow> hi sacha
<holycow> sorry stepped away for a sec
<holycow> SachaS, *nod* i just found the instructions to use "./setup-cvs.py --auto" 
<holycow> i get a set of error messages similar to: rm: cannot remove `/home/rtaylor/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/dbtools': Permission denied
<holycow> at this point i'm not sure if i should remove all of gnue (and if i need to how??), or if theres something else going on
<holycow> from the looks of it, it seems a fairly minor issue, i simply don't have enough knowledge to figure this part out :/
<holycow> once i get this up and running and manage to get a sample db up and running, i will need to submit a patch to the pdf
<holycow> this information needs to be catalogued so newb can toy around
<SachaS> yes i agree, that a newbie should have no problems installing it.
<SachaS> its a permission thing so it should not be a problem.
<holycow> *nod* its not that hard from what i've read, as you can see from my posts i'm just missing bits and pieces of info that pros have
<SachaS> but just permissions working ;)
<holycow> eheh
<holycow> ah okay lemme check that
<SachaS> where is all your gnue stuff, in which directory (from the svn checkout)?
<holycow> /home/user
<SachaS> /home/holycow/gnuenterprise is where I have my svn gnue directory in. of course i have sacha instead of holycow 
<holycow> as the owner, i have rwx rights on it so thats strange
<holycow> *nod* exactly same here
<SachaS> when you did svn checkout the project, where you logged in as root or holycow ?
<holycow> thats a good question, i don't remember, it was last week.  should i redownload?
<SachaS> you could change ownership, recursively on that directory.
<SachaS> something like:
<SachaS> chmown -R holycow:users /home/users/holicow/gnuenterprise
<SachaS> or similar.
<SachaS> and you might want to remove everything that "setup.py" did created for you
<holycow> let me approach that from another angle:
<holycow> whenever i'm learning to install software invariably i mess up and haveto start over
<SachaS> same for me
<holycow> how does one remove all gnue related stuff to effectively *uninstall* what setup.py did?
<holycow> theoretically one might take setup.py and just do the inverse what goes on in there
<holycow> heh
<SachaS> yeah i was just looking if there is a setup.py --uninstall
<holycow> ah no shit?
<SachaS> but i cant tell as i get a traceback
<holycow> okay i'm a fucking moron
<holycow> heh, funny how when tackling something completely new i completely forget the basics
<holycow> *nod* thx
<SachaS> maybe there is no --uninstall
<holycow> oh your right
<SachaS> what do you get when you do a ./setup.py --help ?
<holycow> i don't see any
<holycow> :/
<SachaS> ok.
<SachaS> bad luck
<holycow> i still should of checked first b4 asking
<SachaS> there is a setup.log file
<SachaS> you could go through that one and see what was going on.
<SachaS> still you can have both installations
<holycow> *nod*
<holycow> k.
<SachaS> i am not familiar of where stuff gets installed
<holycow> i assume so, just it's unclean
<holycow> *nod*
<holycow> my thanks for answering tho :)
<holycow> SachaS, are you a developer or user, if i may ask?
<SachaS> user
<holycow> cool
<holycow> how do you find it?
<holycow> from what i've read from the a pdf and a few other docs, it seems like it makes making form based apps fairly easy
<SachaS> well i do not have the need to write a productive application. its more playing for me.
<holycow> neat
<holycow> i very much need something like this
<holycow> i'm getting tired of the thousands of tools that live independently of each other
<SachaS> ok. there is no setup.py --uninstall
<SachaS> unfortunately
<holycow> time for a bug submission :)
<SachaS> yeah would be nice to have an automatic clean up
<holycow> i would say its pretty much a must
<SachaS> actually you can have both. both installs.
<holycow> installers of any kind must always come with cleanup tools
<holycow> have you created any apps in gnue yet?
<SachaS> only the one you might have seen the screenshots. did you see the screenshots?
<holycow> yeah
<holycow> which ones yours?
<SachaS> yeah mine
<holycow> all of them?
<holycow> :)
<holycow> i've drooled over the screen shots
<holycow> i can't wait to finally get this up and running
<holycow> and start creating some very simple apps
<SachaS> you can run: ./setup-cvs.py and that will create links to the main scripts in your gnue download directores
<holycow> well not untill i clean this stuff up first :)
<SachaS> ok.
<SachaS> or you can run setup.py again and see what it does
<SachaS> where it installs things
<holycow> okay does that installer also get you ready to run the wizard for setting up my first test project?
<SachaS> then after the setup you can remove it again (by hand unfortunately)
<SachaS> ok. i try to explain.
<SachaS> the setup.py copies the executables (python scripts) to the python specific location (/somewhere/python/2.3-sitemap/something/something/
<SachaS> so you have installed them there
<SachaS> but with the cvs setup
<SachaS> it creates symbolic links to the executables in the svn tree
<SachaS> so each time you sync the svn tree
<SachaS> the links point to the latest executables
<SachaS> you dont have to run the setup each time you sync with svn
<SachaS> but only once, or if there are some major changes in the svn tree...
<SachaS> this also leads to different executable names
<holycow> ohhhhhhhhh
<SachaS> for the GNUe designer for example:
<SachaS> in the normal setup (setup.py) the executable is called gnue-designer 
<SachaS> but when you install from svn it is called gdes
<SachaS> not helpful for a newbie
<SachaS> for forms its gnue-form or gnue-forms (I think) but with svn it is gfcvs (as in gnue forms cvs version)
<holycow> well, if it was explained like that it wouldn't be an issue :)
<holycow> of course developers hate writing documentation,hehe can't say i blame them
<SachaS> there is just so much you can document
<SachaS> :)
<holycow> okay so once i install from svn, is it ready to start creating apps?
<holycow> i have postgres installed
<holycow> and a gnue user in there
<holycow> as well as a gnue db i think
<SachaS> yeah. you need to get the permissions right for postgresql
<SachaS> ok.
<SachaS> so install from cvs
<holycow> k. bbiafew
<SachaS> Use the setup-cvs.py from gnue-common directory
<SachaS> that will take you through the installation
<SachaS> i agreed to each suggestions the tool made
<SachaS> it creates directories in your home direoctory, hence you dont need root permission
<SachaS> it suggests to create a bin directory in your home directory
<SachaS> in that bin direcotry are those links with the funny names, such as gfcvs or gdes which you can call
<SachaS> you might have to put that ~/bin directory in your PATH variable, if not there already.
<holycow> *nod* k.
<SachaS> then i suggest you go into the gnue-appserver directory and try to install the sample. read the readme and install file.
<holycow> k. checking out again, let's start clean from a clean slate :)
<SachaS> yeah :)
<SachaS> if you have the bandwidth ;)
<holycow> well, surprisingly i get 300k/sec on this cable modem
<holycow> *nod* okay cool
<holycow> your instructions are excellent btw
<SachaS> what distribution are you using, btw?
<holycow> debian
<holycow> are there any others?
<SachaS> ;) which release?
<holycow> hehehe :)
<SachaS> :)
<SachaS> stable/testing/unstable/experimental?
<holycow> probably unstable, let me check
<SachaS> same here, unstable.
<holycow> *nod* thats what it is
<SachaS> ok.
<holycow> yeah no point in running sarge, it is unstable as unstable oddly enough
<SachaS> so you got a fresh checkout?
<holycow> checking out right as we speak
<holycow> the amount of work here is quite staggering to be quite frank
<holycow> i realize there are bigger projects
<SachaS> ? what do you mean?
<holycow> well its taking a while to check out :) it's not a tiny project
<holycow> ah there we go
<SachaS> ok.
<holycow> oh well
<holycow> this was easy
<SachaS> did you do the setup-cvs.py install?
<holycow> i definately haveto submit a patch to the website
<holycow> yes
<SachaS> ok.
<holycow> that information has to be made more clearly on the website
<SachaS> you might write down your thoughts and put it into the gnue wiki
<holycow> *nod* or that right
<SachaS> ok. next you go into the gnue-appserver directory
<holycow> nano readme :)
<SachaS> holycow, I think there is a prolblem with the appserver atm
<holycow> yours doesn't work?
<SachaS> i cant run it, the appserver cannot talk to the postgresql database
<SachaS> reinhard was changing something on saturday or sunday
<SachaS> yeah mine does currently not work
<holycow> *nod* k.
<SachaS> :| sorry
<holycow> no worries, that doesnt change anything for me
<SachaS> thats the disadvantage when working with svn 
<holycow> i havent been able to connect at all anyway
<holycow> *nod* it's expected
<SachaS> hope reinhard can fix that today
<holycow> i would like to hear more about your thoughts on gnue development approach
<holycow> what i'm curious about is you said that you don't have a need to do any production with it
<holycow> yet you hack on it
<SachaS> i suggest you keep hanging in here and we try to get reinhard fix that problem....hmmm might be that it is working for you, actually ;)
<holycow> just curious how you got involved, obviously you know your stuff :)
<holycow> and all i haveto do is check out again and its resolved
<holycow> *nod*
<SachaS> i did some studies in business 2 business
<SachaS> actually in the area of ebXML. http://www.ebxml.org which became ISO standard 15000 a couple days ago.
<SachaS> its an open standard, whatever that is ;)
<SachaS> ebXML is interested in collaborative business process
<holycow> well its not an ms standard, thats kinda important
<holycow> *nod* as are all businesses
<SachaS> that are business processes which happen between organisations
<SachaS> yeah :) true.
<SachaS> so actually i want to get an environment
<SachaS> where i have 2 gnue business applications
<SachaS> the sample one i am currently putting together
<SachaS> and in the first step, i want to have these two gnue applications talk together
<SachaS> one gnue application shall send the invoice as a message to the second gnue application
<SachaS> the second gnue application should take the invoice and put it into the system.
<holycow> *nod*
<holycow> i presume your are doing this via some xml type of transform?
<SachaS> then once that step is working (allways on a simple sample basis with only the real basics)
<SachaS> yeah. i dont know yet
<SachaS> but yeah very liekly
<SachaS> likely
<holycow> *nod* neat
<holycow> thats what i'm interested in as well
<holycow> however
<holycow> before that i am interested in creating a bunch of small tools that work well
<SachaS> yeah.
<holycow> my interest is in converting the computing business environment to something highly productive
<holycow> for example: everything we do right now at work from secretary to ceo, is different aspects of project management
<SachaS> ok
<holycow> you have email, chat, accounting, hr, project management tools, document management
<holycow> all that
<holycow> yet none of the tools talk to each other
<holycow> or if they do
<holycow> you get guys like oracle, ca, and the like skinning you alive
<holycow> or ms selling you crap you don't need
<holycow> actually, they are all selling us crap we don't need, stuff that kinda sorta works but not really
<holycow> i suppose this probably echoes what i read about the beginning of gnue
<holycow> for me immediately i need to do lists that integrate with gantt charts from project managemetn tools, with order/ticket tracking
<holycow> i can't find anything that even comes close to what it needs to do
<holycow> :/ *shrug* same old same old right :)
<holycow> heh
<SachaS> well. you might read the INSTALL and README in the gnue-appserver directory to get an idea how to setup gnue appserver
<SachaS> then once the current version is working again we can install it
<holycow> *nod* just did, of course i gotta wait for it to be fixed :)
<holycow> i really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions :D
<SachaS> also remember that the appserver is under heavy development, what you write today might not run tomorrow ;)
<holycow> heh
<SachaS> haha
<holycow> i can live with that
<holycow> right now i am running lotus notes/domino at work
<holycow> which is pretty much the same thing
<holycow> only hugely expensive
<holycow> and terribly bloated and non free/open
<SachaS> did you try that openoffice, or opengroupware thing?
<holycow> i can't wait to see how far we get with this
<SachaS> opengroupware it is called
<holycow> yeah i did
<holycow> its bizarre to say the least
<SachaS> i downloaded the cd install one (knoppix) yeah nice.
<holycow> i'm not sure i can understand the german way to thinking to be honest
<SachaS> bizarre how do you mean?
<holycow> oh high quality, but its really targetted to the creators of the live cd
<SachaS> i downloaded the live cd  one (knoppix) even.
<holycow> me too
<SachaS> well i will be back later again.
<SachaS> see you
<holycow> i'm not sure how we would use it
<holycow> bye :) 
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