*** jcater has quit IRC *** nickr has quit IRC *** nickr has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** nickr has quit IRC *** nickr has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise morning *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** Amorphous has quit IRC *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** Amorphous has quit IRC *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** Morphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise *** Amorphous has quit IRC *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** Morphous has quit IRC *** btami has quit IRC *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** holycow has quit IRC *** dneighbo has quit IRC *** dcmwai has quit IRC *** dneighbo has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has quit IRC *** dyfet has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** dneighbo_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** dneighbo has quit IRC *** holycow has joined #gnuenterprise *** holy_cow has joined #gnuenterprise *** dyfet has quit IRC *** reinhard_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has quit IRC *** btami has quit IRC *** dimas has quit IRC *** dimas has joined #gnuenterprise *** holy_cow has quit IRC *** holycow has quit IRC *** dsmith has joined #gnuenterprise Howdy gnueers, anyone awake yet? hi dsmith What's the best (or any) way to talk to an access database from a linux/unix machine? Access is just a file, right? Doesn't there nees to be some kind of server running somewhere? not sure but I think you need a odbc driver to access it ... But the odbc driver needs to be able to open the file, doesn't it? never had to use access, so i dont know. sorry but i cannot help here. np Who is the #gnue db guru? *** kilo has quit IRC *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise any reason we can't announce on the ML also, i'm wondering if we should also do a freshmeat.net announcement ok with me cool jamest: question to static condition in datasources is that correct that the static condition should *always* be combined with a user-provided condition? e.g. when i do F8 F9 in a form there should be a AND from the condition given in the XML and the condition given by the user correct? yes ok thanks you can toggle that static off and on w/ a bit of trigger work if needed well, the reason why i was asking was it didn't work but we found it is a bug in the appserver dbdriver and now it works and i wanted to be sure it *should* work that way yip that is a feature I depend on daily so a datasource with a condition in XML is actually much like a view? well, it's still readable/writable ok i think i understand it see ya *** SachaS has left #gnuenterprise reinhard: i use it for 2 things 1 is a view like setup where i have several forms that are all identical except for the condition (dept calendar) i don't want the users seeing/changing things accidentally of course it offers no real security as they can log into any calendar form they want it just makes them less apt to screw up yeah the other think i use it for is filtering a form so that 99% of the time it only shows, in this case, POs that are open yeah that's what we are after but they can click a checkbox on the form to look up older ones for our hotline in several forms we only want to see open tickets you want the trigger code? we want to search within the open tickets etc i can send you a form w/ it in it jamest: great ! don't think we'll ned it err i'll leave that to johannesV but we don't need the toggle actually reinhard: well it's another sample of working code so it cannot be that wrong to have it ! we *always* want to see only open tickets johannesV: agree :) well, i will send you the form thanks ! but I can't publish this one :( where to email? johannes dot vetter at bytewise dot at ah, this also does autopull something else is there a way to make a button the "default" button not sure that printing email like that will stop spamers i.e. make it act on pressing enter as kmail autoconverts that to the proper format :) i doubt spammers use kmail :) jamest: didn't know that :) lol actually that form has a few hacks in it autopull, that toggle, and a pointer "->" to the current record in the rows= block so I'm curious yes? sent btw jamest: did you get my other question? about buttons? um, no ah, not really as the is eaten by the entry bbiab *** johannesV has quit IRC sigh i have a ltsp terminal plugged in here in my room, boots fine i carry it downstairs and plug it in in a different room and it boots up to the point it needs to nfs mount at which point the mount fails i have other ltsp terms on the same hub downstairs that mount fine carry it back up, mounts fine again * jamest grabs a bat and head back down *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise hey if an given class already override __repr__ (or whatever is called when your print an object) is there a way I can still see the memory addresss of the object? overrides chillywilly, id (foo) or hex (id (foo)) to see it the same way ah *** reinhard_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** lekma has quit IRC wierd debian kde is 3.2.2? unstable. Not in testing (afaik) but kde 3.2.2 isn't even out 3.2.1 is the latest from the offical src sites *** mcDeke has joined #gnuenterprise on the webpage there is direction on how to pull svn as a developer Sorry, I was thinking 3.2.x does someone have the syntax handy * mcDeke actually has static ip addresses and port 22 open for my team whooo hoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gnue is here baby :) * mcDeke goes to look if there is a decent windows client for svn mcDeke: tortoise SVN that the tool that integrates into explorer? svn co svn+ssh://www.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue mcDeke: I think so *** dcmwai has quit IRC jamest many thanks jamest: if the user i am logged in on the machine i am at is different than the user on ash do i need to pass any parameters or how does it resolve that? (i.e. will it prompt for user name) * mcDeke has reassign myself an ip on this machine before i can try :) user@www.gnuenterprise.org danke bbiab have to reassign myself to entirely new network *** mcDeke has quit IRC *** dneighbo has joined #gnuenterprise wooo doggie ssh is so nice no more irc-proxy :) * dneighbo remembered bitch via ssh works just fine :) anyone know where debian puts it's post install scripts and its text file showing installed packages? * jamest thought he did but was dead wrong roflmao installing svn on this machine and have to laugh that one of its dependencies is a package called "chicken" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst ? sigh, yes, thanks not sure about the other i was searching for /var/*/debian/* that's all i needed to refresh the memory thanks the status file IIRC is all install packages de nada jamest: yeah i think so i was thinking .list but that is just the files the package places on the system not the dependency iirc weeeeeeeeeeeeeee svn slurping down... oh the joy 4 years in the making and finally a reality!!!! btw: anyone know of anyone wanting to use GNUe for scientific data collection or educational research (jamest hint hint hint) i know of a grant for middleware looking to award 6 to 10 entities 300,000 to 500,000 year over 3 years for development of Open Source middleware used in scientific or education setting if anyone is interested just let me know and i will do what i can to help them apply why would you need middleware to crunch numbers? why does scientific == crunch numbers GSL is a purty good library GNU Scientific Library what else do scientists do ;) "new middleware capabilities that can dramatically enhance productivity for researchers and educators, and in some cases create new modes of conducting research" they gather facts, analyze data, generate reports...ok, maybe they could use some multi-user middleware thingy for example there is a geological group here at Arizona State University that approached me about GNUe (i might talk to them again about this re: this grant) they had no good way to "catalogue" and "report" on geo samples i.e. they took field notes in scratch pads but had no good system to come back and enter the data into laptop and a spreadsheet? and then report on well yes they were doing spreadsheet/access that's the poor man's way anyway ;) but it doesnt facilite SHARING very well not only among themselves nope but with other universities need multi-user middleware thingy i think the goal of this grant is to get middleware to facilite distributed research/education I dig ya brotha specifically cabilities may include but are not limited to: mumt = multi-user middleware thingy uh, yea .... .... zzzzZZZZ :P scalable authentication (we need), authorization (we need), accoutning methods and tools, data aquisition (we need), data management (we need), meta data defintions (we need), and middleware for integration instramentation and online grid montoring. i dont see scientific instrumentation interfaces as all that different from Point of Sale or Scanner instrumentation :) hmmmm I suppose not but most importantly it's all data in the end same issues OPEN SOURCE OSFTWARE DEVELOPMENT (INCLUDING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS) AND DISTRIBUTION METHODS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED. and that line is word for word from the grant definition is it in all capitals like that? ;) commies cause you know that makes a difference ;) no emphasis is mine nickr: burn 'em! * chillywilly takes derek's emphasis away * chillywilly hands it to nickr Are you, sir, or have you ever been a member of, or affiliated with the communist party? pinkos You must answer! Don't purger yourself before this comittee YES YESI believe in socialism you capitalist pigs! Guards, take him to the alley and beat him, and step on his face a few times for the cameras. leftist. *** reinhard has quit IRC * chillywilly runs away *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise *** bamse has joined #gnuenterprise *** dimas has quit IRC *** johannesV has quit IRC i need a form gurru s/gurru/guru lekma: ask and someone will probably answer is it possible to have a page not tabbed even though you declared the layout as tabbed="TOP"? i have a master i would like to be above the details which are in tabbed pages... no it'd be a neat feature though jamest: would it be possible if one could have more than one layout in the same form? does anyone have anonymous svn working? or let me back up if i do svn co svn:\\svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/trunk gnue does this use ssh? does it use a port other than 22 or 80? svn co svn://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue as i can slurp up repository with svn+ssh on unix lekma that is what i meant slash/backslash maybe?? damn typo have syntax right on windows i need to know what port is being used as we have tremendously finicky firewall let me try anon on unix if it fails i know its anon that is the problem for me and that its not a windows thing it works for me the same on windows what client? and what do you put for server values of client as i tried tortiose and rapidsvn and both come back with cant connect to svn.gnuenterprise.org hmmm anon is hanging on unix as well grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i think this is a port issue firewalls suck ass i use only command line, no gui it's a port issue fsck... i didnt see in the windows clients how to denote to use ssh which is why i was trying anon and i just verified port issue as well jamest: do you know what port svn runs on? 2403 same as cvs? standalone runs on 3690 of course, svn+ssh runs over ssh :) that is what i want but i cant seem to grok the windows clients to configure them to use ssh dont know if support isnt there or im just dumb derek: may have to grab plink (from putty) and port forward then looking for tfm http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=108 will try tortoise *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise are the snapshots (current ones) dorked for windows? one of my guys just grabbed and designer is freaking out its odd there is test for sys.plaform != 'win32' and that is failing there is no import sys however an import sys raises a different issue from the shell print sys.platform fails but import sys print sys.platform does not so im inclined to think the import sys is necessary anyhow back at my owrk station so will try to look at the current svn lekma : how are you doing from the command line? * derek attempted svn co svn+ssh://user@svn.gnuenteprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue on windows and i get an odd error like file not found and of course anonymous just locks up svn+ssh appears to be accepted by tortoise but fails oddly derek: How about a verbose option or something to show what it's trying to do? Maybe thats only cvs that does that. derek: i'm just doing this 'svn co svn://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue/trunk gnue' and it works (for me)... lekma: okay.. for me that is not option guess windows development only grrrr er linux devel only jamest/jcater on that designer issue something is odd as the latest stable release on windows works fine on my machine (didnt try the snapshot) think i will move that user to latest release and see what happens also how tested are the .exe packages? worked for me derek: i have yesterdays svn on a windows machine here and designer works fine kilo: you fail to understand my power to unlock bugs unimaginable to even the most adept programmers :) i.e. just because it works on your setup doesnt mean i am not capable of breaking it :) derek: in those cases, I usually rely on M$ to explain my troubles (and it works !) oh i can break things on linux too maybe your guy just installed a bogus windows version of python ? im an equal opportunity breaker :) bamse: yeah i will have to check a few things well, after kidding a bit, I have a real question I have played a little with babyerp today, and tried to create references derek: but it wasnt you this time, it was one of your guys. do you have transportable break-anything-power? that is: one table contains (countrId, countryName, ...) and I have a contact table with a country field referencing the other table I created this using (I think) the appserver kilo: all he has to do is look at something and it breaks...being able to transfer such power is nothing for a master such as derek gnue-forms with classrepository.gfd or so then I tried to design a form to update my contacts, but failed to make use of my country table I've seen it work somewhere else, so I guess I am making some mistake somewhere *** lekma has quit IRC *** Vee has quit IRC *** kilo has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** Vee has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** dsmith has quit IRC bamse: you still here? i read from the log you having a question *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise SachaS: you already back? i believe you drove too fast ;-) hi reinhard: i was driving constantly 130 :) reinhard: yes, still here well, my question is being worked on (by myself) reinhard: yeah i think i understand why locking will be an important feature for appserver. the stuff I was thinking of is really implemented, great ! bamse: cool bamse: thanks for all the french tranlsations no problem I'll try and finish the remaining ones ASAP and sorry that not all of them did make it into the release that's great although it's no need to hurry now we will probably not have another release for at least a month and it's most useful to have a current translation for a release so just take your time :) ok of course we don't change *too* much in the text from release to release so if you prepare now (or whenever you want) it might be a piece of cake to update to the latest strings just before the release *sigh* there are 6 languages better translated than de ok, let's say I'll do 10 lines a day ;) shame on me :) let me go back to my question about referencing data reinhard did you get to meet with SachaS in person? I see that the classrepository made a good gsd file, and I got a correct pgsql out of it if so how did it go? * derek is glad to see more gnue developers local enough to one another to visit derek yes. reinhard was talking for 4 hours ;) so jamest when you gonna drive 130 to go so jcater... might be a day trip at that speed ;) derek: he told me so much, i cant remember everything ;) SachaS :wow.. he never talks here so silly question what language did he talk in ;) derek: at the end he was talking SQL SachaS: rofl :) * derek wants to know if his english is as bad as he tries to claim (im not buying it based on his superb grammar here) most of the meeting we spoke german though derek: we both speak german as our mother tongue you are in liechenstein(sp) yeah. tonight I was in three different countries! Liechtenstein, Switzerland and Austria. yeah and that with a 30 min drive :)) i guess americans can't even imagine that ;-) * reinhard envisions derek despairingly searching for Liechtenstein on a world map :) reinhard: thanks for all the chocolate :) :) reinhard... i would have to know how to spell it in order to find it on a map actually my great grandparents lived almost all their lives in switzerland didnt move here until my grand father was a teenager so vaguely familiar with that part of the world cool you should visit switzerland then aint it there somewhere where cows are lilac? www.liechtenstein.li (might be in german only) kilo: exactly kilo: that's where i live i know, i know and, in fact, that's what i live from in terms of nutrition ;) wow, now that is interesting SachaS can tell you :) * kilo loves chocolate all in all i got about 4 kg of chocolate for my last birthday * bamse votes for a gnue meeting in liechtenstein reinhard: are you the one who chose the name for dcl ? * reinhard is seriously considering coming to bordeaux this year bamse: no :) whats happening in bordeaux? libre software meeting well, in fact, I am not exactly in Bordeaux, but 80km east of it i was told it's much like the fosdem bamse: wow, didn't know that I didn't know about that my town is called Bergerac you've probably heard of Cyrano ? like cyrano? yep heeh hehe you've got a statue of him downtown libre software meeting. sounds interesting :) but that's almost all we have here well if you are near bordeaux you must have wine :) *** jamest has left #gnuenterprise * reinhard does not *only* like chocolate... yes, wine, tobacco, ducks... eat, drink and smoke, nice country, huh ? yep :) Vee, i do have a zaurus with python 2.3.3 but missing some python packages to run gnue-commen and gnue-forms... my mozilla doesn't seem to like classrepository.html, two crashes while loading well, I'll forget about this one for now ah the webforms i *really* should look at them I read yesterday that mozilla developpers are willing to share their technologies with other opensource projects