*** jcater has quit IRC *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise *** rsb has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** Sacha_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** kreiszner has joined #gnuenterprise *** kilo has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise Is there any plan to produce Redhat rpms for the new version of the tools *** kilo has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise kreiszner, You want to build it? or you want it to be build? I want it to be built. I don't have that capability. *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise kreiszner: there is no rpm for gnue now, before was some from Eric Jarvi, but he disappeared... you have to install them from released tarballs baybe this helps on redhat too: http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/SuSEQuickStart Ok. Then I'll install from tballs batami Yes. I was looking at that earlier. Does anybody know anything about intalling Postgresql on sme-server *** SachaS has quit IRC *** roby has joined #gnuenterprise *** kreiszner has left #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise notebook external ac adapter broken ... argh. ouch how much to replace? aaahhhh hold him hold him hold him * reinhard gets his handcuffs and runs to ajmitch ajmitchie, did you notice that we have new releases? *** dcmwai has quit IRC *** Amorphous has joined #gnuenterprise reinhard: yes dearest reinhard, I did :) that's actually what I'm working on at the moment does appserver 0.0.7 require the new common? yes all of the packages require the new common because of the change in the locale structure i.e. every tool now has it's own translation files alright I'll make that change where for the previous release, all translations were in gnue-common ajmitch: great it's fairly simple to do :) I just need to hunt down jeff or jordi for uploading ajmitch: i was getting a little nervous as there was a mention of a weak freeze in dwn recently right *** Morphous has quit IRC common & appserver debs done perhaps not! * ajmitch tracks down appserver build error it probably requires me to actually install the latest gnue-common :) * ajmitch updates build-dep yep *** SachaS has quit IRC there, that works better sacha's laptop probably just ran out of charge :) *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise test 1.. 2.. 3.. yep, we can hear you hi ajmitch hi SachaS :) laptop-s battery is flat and I cannot recharge it because the ac is broken and the new ac will not arrive before monday so i might take a day off :) probably a good idea :) *** joshua has joined #gnuenterprise can someone help me with a dumb question? hello joshua i can try FATAL: IDENT authentication failed for user "gnue" you would have to allow connections from localhost i think we have that in the wiki but i did changed /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf & restart ah oh can you do psql -h localhost gnue ? i am logged in as "joshua" not "gnue". is that a problem? no no problem psql: FATAL: IDENT authentication failed for user "joshua" nope you just newly created the db? with setup-pgsql.sh? local all all trust # correct? nope and i also have host all all 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 reject this is not what we need that means well let me explain you can connect to postgres over tcp/ip network and over unix sockets yah you have configured postgres to only accept connections over unix sockets (local) gnue connects over tcp/ip i c over "localhost" so you should have something like host localhost trust sorry don't know the correct syntax host all all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust ? could be yah that works now psql excellent Welcome to psql 7.4.2, so now gnue should work, too GNUe Application Server up and running ah, ok * SachaS thinks he has to update the doc. joshua, are you reading a doc? y which one? SachaS: yah, please update it (your doc) dah :) SachaS: the default pg_hba.conf that comes with debian has all the right stuff except you have to change the "ident" to "trust" ok. will update that. thanks for both unix sockets and localhost i just installed fresh from debian unstable (never had postgres installed before) oh, one more thing the wiki is out of date -- i didn't need to apt-get install python-xmlrpc because it's already bundled with something else the class repository screen came up so it looks like everything is working that's right you don't have to install python-xmlrpc it comes with standard python starting with 2.2 so you have to apt-get install it for woody oh, i c but you don't for sarge and sid so nevermind maybe there is some confusion about this in the wiki SachaS: where can I d/l the get-the-appserver-ready.gsd file? copy paste it from the pdf file .... oh! or it might be somewhere in the directory my machine is down so cant check locally i cut & pasted if you want to install babyerp, read the INSTALL file if you want to start your own project, use the get-the-appserver-ready.gsd file or ... test the sample in the gnue-appserver sample directory or simply start to add business classes in the gnue database. well, first i want to run through your tutorial ok. ok thx bye for now *** joshua has quit IRC * ajmitch wonders how to change the wxgtk font used *** dneighbo_ has quit IRC bbl *** reinhard has quit IRC bother *** roby has quit IRC *** spafbnerf has joined #gnuenterprise * ajmitch gets bored & tests packages against wxpython 2.5 *** btami has quit IRC *** spafbnerf has quit IRC *** dneighbo_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** lekma has joined #gnuenterprise *** sjc has left #gnuenterprise hi everybody hi lekma hi SachaS *** reinhard has joined #gnuenterprise *** joshua has joined #gnuenterprise SachaS: Error processing tag [I do not know what a tag does SachaS: i'm trying to run the get-appserver-started.gsd from your PDF joshua: when do you get this error? what appserver version? oh ok today's svn i havent tried it for about 5 days before that I got "unknown>:1:30: unknown encoding" but then i removed the encoding="UTF8" and it worked ok oh yeah, that unknow encoding is put there by the nxml-mode of emacs ... SachaS: yah, maybe oh! oh no! what? all the dashes got eatten, that's why it doesn't work oh by the copy past? paste even SachaS: you better remove the gsd from the PDF and keep it somewhere where i can download it instead SachaS: yah ok. dah. sorry. copy & paste from pdf isn't always a good idea :) i have acroread 5.0.5 and it must be buggy for one thing xpdf doesn't let you do it easily crazy bug :-) i am not working on my normal notebook. have a look in the directories, the file might be there somewhere searching ... btw gnue-designer doesn't work with wxpython 2.5.1, if anyone cares ;) ajmitch: this is bad news, however i didn't expect something else i am not happy with that get-the-appserver-ready.gsd file anyway. after all wxpython has done to us :( joshua: you might just install the sample in the gnue-appserver and add business classes in there ... reinhard: it seems to be a minor change, but remember - 2.5 is the development tree ah so we would wait for 2.6 anyway SachaS: which one? sample.gsd? the first bug I saw was with the code assuming that the sys module is loaded, when it isn't joshua yes that effectively killed designer :) joshua: there is a readme in the appserver directory readme and install that should get you the sample running http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/reports/docs/ <-- looks very empty SachaS: ok what's with the funny command names? gfcvs? what does it mean? gnue-forms, cvs version cvs is still used in the name :) oh oh, so it _does_ need to be renamed not really.. it's not exactly a big deal yah well ok did you di the setup-cvs.py install? SachaS: yes *** dsmith has joined #gnuenterprise if yes, it put sym links into a (default) ~/bin oh, i c. the commands get different names to handle a parallel install so you should add the dir of the bin to your path with cvs install yah, it is working no problem at the moment you have the sym links to the latest of svn *** kilo has quit IRC SachaS: i created a new masterdata module but it didn't show up on the class screen dropdown until i restarted sorry i am not up to date. there are issues with dropdown and how appserver handles cache... appserver problem should be solved. SachaS: ok when i was doing it, i could add a module and, then i could go to the class tab and it was there ... appserver is version 0.0.7 ;) reinhard, and johannesV are the core appserver devlopers. you might send your issues to the bug email list cant remember that mailing list you could send it to gnue@gnue.org right, ok i know they read this log, but still an email would be great SachaS: it might just be gui bugs there are issues with dropdown but i am not sure if this is such a bug it worked for me a couple of days ago ... joshua, is the sample app working? did u find kirk and spock? SachaS: dunno, i'm on page 16 of your tutorial i suggest to try the sample first ... thats how i got started. *** holycow has quit IRC if the sample is working, you know that the appserver is working and that the gui is working ... * ajmitch wonders why SachaS is not listed on the contributors page ajmitch i am. in appserver contributors i miss my notebook. i cannot work without it :) I must be looking at a different page http://www.gnuenterprise.org/community/contrib.php well i am in the appserver contributor thats far enough :) hehe *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise *** joshua has quit IRC http://www.gnuenterprise.org/project/status.php looks very broken :) hi jamest hello jamest ah, reinhard is here! :) * ajmitch stumbles off to sleep hello hi *** roby has joined #gnuenterprise hello hi roby Do you think it could be feasable or usefull to use gnue as an interface over opengroupware via xml-rpc intergace of ogo ? s/intergace/interface does anyone tried something like that (using gnue for UI over another tool for business logic) ? well i dont know enough about gnue xml-rpc u might ask others in here, or post a email to gnue@gnue.org is there any up to date diagram of gnue architecture ? www.gnuenterprise.org is the website there are sparse documentation on gnue-common (which has some xml-rpc abstraction) *** reinhard has quit IRC *** chillywilly has quit IRC *** chillywilly has joined #gnuenterprise roby the design says yes *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise i.e. the object of the game is that gnue tools can integrate w/ one another or stand alone from day one even though we are writing our own application server we have stated that indeed we would support others what is funny is phpGroupWare we TRIED to work with we TRIED to use a common RPC we worked with the FSF to try to make gnu-rpc which would be like a perl-dbi only for rpc methods phpGroupWare didnt seem interested we gave up and just did what we needed in gnue-common so certainly if phpGroupWare is now supported with RPC i see no real reason the GNUe UI couldn't be used against it though there maybe significant work involved as most of phpGroupWare data is NOT DB related and the forms UI is heavily geared towards DB data i would suspect it would be much easier to actually write gnue-forms applications using gnue-appserver against database items of phpGroupWare and then use xmlrpc from the appserver to phpGroupWare to launch non db related items *** johannesV_ has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC jamest/jcater: how hard would it be to add wxGrid widget to forms? even if only in a readonly mode? *** johannesV has quit IRC sorry derek, i was a away for a moment I see you're talking about phpGroupware but i am talking about opengroupware Opengroupware offer very good xml-rpc and webdav interfaces Hmm. Opengroupware looks intresting roby: my bad you see at one time i think phpGW was calling themselves OpenGW or had a "split" and the resulting fork had a similar name * derek suspects when you say openGroupWare you mean that of OpenOffice? i.e. the openGW on the openOffice website?: *** btami has joined #gnuenterprise I think opengroupware is a phpgw fork not sure though no opengroupware is a gpled project initialy by Skyrix AG it's a full groupware solution a serious exchange alternative hmmm so opengw is fork of phpgw? see opengroupware.org no nothing to do with phpgw i apologize for ignorance here, but we have evalutated like 50 different packages and all of them are somethingfooGroupWare so memory bleeds onto itself pretty quickly :) no problem but i think a solution like that should be in "your horizon" for a company it is a good solution and has project management / CRM etc... so interactions with gnue seems obvious http://groupware.openoffice.org/ for example was what i was thinking off er of and to complicate things it even mentions your project at phpGW no www.opengroupware.org yes we debated doing GNUe GroupWare (and someday may if existing GW people dont get it right soon) yeah i went to opengroupware.org ok at this point we were spread too thin to tackle groupware so we have put on burner, but we KNOW we need it for enterprise solutions problem is most groups out there dont get it from an enterprise perspective its not just email, calendaring and contact lists some groups like phpGroupWare started making inventory applications and such (which seemed odd to me) others just focused on the core other problem is they all look to exchange to copy and exchange sucks ass from what i have seen lotus notes/domino whatever its called appeared to "get it" much better just didnt have the market share again this is my opinion nut shell gnue is interested in working with a groupware package just we dont have time to pursue if someone from a groupware package wanted to pursue gnue we would be very supportive of helping them from what I see the main advantage that groupware projects have against gnue is that they are very functionnaly oriented i dont see advantage disadvantage they are different spaces (if that makes sense) i.e. SAP / PeopleSoft etc are not competiting against Exchange and Notes from what i see from the outside is that gnue is only a toolbox in the same way GNUe isnt competiting against any of the groupware products however it would be HIGHLY beneficial for integration if you compare to PeopleSoft, gnue semms to be more like PStools it is its both just like there is PSTools and Peoplesoft Financials there is gnue-tools and gnue-financials the problem is you have to build the tools to build the applications the tools are here they work now people are starting to build the applications which in turn will only challenge the tools and make them even stronger already several people are using gnue applications in production sure but when you say now you meen since when ? er applications built with gnue-tools now meaning people have been doing gnue CUSTOM applications for some time but there is a push to make "packaged" "generic" applications *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise from what i see if you just show the tools, the value added is not obvious for an enterprise wanting to adopt gnue by the way i know it's easy to come and criticize but i am only trying to evaluate another question : how are looking at the mono project ? roby: what exactly are you looking for * jcater wasn't here for the first of this conversation or inquiring about... in what way would gnue work with opengroupware? * dsmith think about looking at mono with one eye, be decides not to. I am working as a consultant and looking for good bricks to build SMB solutions * jcater has to admit he doesn't understand exactly what opengroupware is I am intersted in opensource and looking at gnue for a few years opengroupware is a full groupware project very mature, and i was wondering if there is a way to plug gnue on ogo offering a portable ui for it ah ogo has web interface, so thats pretty portable ... for exemple using ogo as a backend for contact management first i think web interface is not allways the most eregonomic thing ok. second i was more seeing what ogo can add to gnue in term of business object implementation what gnue lack is business implementation for things like CRM, Financials etc Maybe some good backends could be of intersest in certain areas roby: i had the thought of using like gnu-cash as the general ledger module for gnu enterprise. i think the idea is not bad but ... there are some buts yes same idea so gnue does not have to care about a general ledger, as there is one already ... but there are some buts but gnu-cash is not a server used in enterprise with thousands of users ogo is and for exemple the Contact management model is very complete i once played with life-ogo the problem is, as an individual I do not need such an application i think if some people want to write a erp system and they just make one. ;) not sure how ~ 4 people could get in 1 year non paid work. just working on the erp package(s) obviously they would get somewhere and i would not be surprised if people would like how far they got but then its a gnu project, only with volunteers but it would very interesting how far ~4 people would get in 1 year ;) nobody answered my second question about mono :o did you look at dotgnu as well? a long time ago yes, but mono seems more "industry backed" and that count for me no interest here in mono why ? just not on our radar and its more marketing than anything imho and I don't believe for a second if mono is successful that MS won't sue them into oblivion ok for that argument (even if i don't agree) but mainly just not of interest to us if i am asking that it's because i believe a project like gnue should try to intergrate with a dev plateform (as gnome project somethimes calls itself) mono is one well java aswell we run on Win98/NT/XP, Debian, Solaris, *BSD, MacOS, OS/2 support a dozen databases odbc etc I just don't see the advantage mono programmers can code their own stuff in gnue my question is why? using python or javascript later, other languages too at this point i see no significant value in mono to our project that isnt to say i cant be convinced but at this point i dont see it buying our project anything seems quit true s/quit/quite just confronting ideas as far as working w/opengroupware to use it as a data backend (for contacts, etc) it would be relatively trivial to do a new dbdriver (datasource driver) that allowed you to grab data from it/write back to it as far as a gnue client that ran on top of opengroupware that would be really neat and we'd welcome any such effort but we're already spread too thin :( so it's not something we'd be able to embark on ourselves but we would help anyone who wanted to good to know *** SachaS has quit IRC have a nice day bye jcater: i said almost exact same thing earlier :) at least we are consistent we probably should to an xmlrpc dbdriver at some time to grab data from xmlrpc sources * jcater thwaps himself and goes back to coding i think olap driver woudl go a long way * chillywilly thwaps eveyone and then ponders leaving for lunch early *** roby has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise can somebody share with me a working example on how to use autofillBySequence() lekma: just a sec ntryschool_id.autofillBySequence('seq_school_id') ]]> jamest: how would you feel adding a similar tag to something like (we have the primarykey= thing already) sure thx jamest: thx jcater: i already asked for that last year :) * derek is thinking i asked jcater about it as we were using it alot in gnue-sb * jcater thwaps derek go back to your corner xml-rpc I like it better than soap Soap smells a lot like m$ *** dsmith has quit IRC *** sjc has joined #gnuenterprise *** dsmith has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has joined #gnuenterprise *** SachaS has quit IRC *** jcater has quit IRC *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise *** jamest has quit IRC *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise *** lekma has quit IRC *** SachaS has quit IRC jcater: how can i fix some trivial bugs in www.gnuenterprise.org ? is it enough to fix things in gnue/www in svn ? *** SachaS has joined #gnuenterprise btami: yes and a cron job recreates the website from gnue/www twice daily I have an svn commit hook to update whenever we "svn commit" inside www/, but it isn't working properly can i force it to see what i changed? i'm just want to change some .html to .php here and there to fix broken links I think the update-on-commit is working you have to wait a few minutes after committing to view it though as ash is rather slow :) ok, thx *** jamest has joined #gnuenterprise test ok *** rsb has joined #gnuenterprise *** johannesV_ has quit IRC *** kilo has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater_ has joined #gnuenterprise btami, I was purposely avoiding The Community on the left menu I thought you were doing minor fixes? *** jcater_ has quit IRC jcater: i made it for consistency, look at the body text: there is three main item there maybe i'm wrong... ok, removed bye *** btami has quit IRC *** Vee has quit IRC *** Vee has joined #gnuenterprise *** Vee has quit IRC *** Vee has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has quit IRC fwiw: when running setup-cvs.py on new install get the following error at the end Do you want to use a symlinked report-filters.conf file? (Yes,No,All,neVer) [N] sh: line 28: make: command not found i suspect i dont have autotools installed on this machine but we should probably do a check to make sure it exists or throw a better error message hmm installing make fixed that problem but created a new one :) Do you have any external/custom packages to setup? [N] make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 make: *** [de.gmo] Error 1 neighborsd@soleri:~/svn/gnue/gnue-common$ stop breakin stuff derek de.gmo sounds maybe like translation stuff? for i in %(CVSDIR)s/*; do package=`basename $i` if [ -d $i/po ]; then (cd $i/po; make -s gmo) for j in $i/po/*.gmo; do language=`basename $j .gmo` mkdir -p %(CONFDIR)s/share/locale/${language}/LC_MESSAGES ln -f -s $j %(CONFDIR)s/share/locale/${language}/LC_MESSAGES/${package}.mo done fi is the offending area i believe what is the preferred postgres driver on debian nowadays? night *** SachaS has quit IRC *** kilo has quit IRC hi *** Vee has quit IRC *** dsmith has quit IRC *** Vee has joined #gnuenterprise *** jcater has joined #gnuenterprise jcater: if you want bug reports read log :) are drop downs broken on linux? *** jamest has quit IRC I think so no problem... i expect things with svn versions just wanted to make sure my syntax wasnt what was hosed building some maintenance tables for our chart of accounts jcater: I tried designer with wx 2.5.1, found one problem with a file assuming sys was imported, didn't try any further yet for new budget system ajmitch i reported a similar problem ok and everyone said i was nuts :) on windows heh I just saw wx 2.5.1 in experimental & decided to try it out :) i couldnt replicate on my machine, but didnt thikn it to be a wx version issue now i have a place to investigate it only occurred when I installed the new wx, worked fine with 2.4 this was with designer 0.5.4 packages btw ajmitch what is status of deb packages in unstable? and what about gtk2 interface the gnue-* packages are waiting for someone to be able to upload them jcater: a few issues i am rerunning into (seems like forever since i played) are * for query wildcards instead or in addition to % currently all the ui drivers are included in the badly named gnue-forms-wxgtk, without the appropriate dependencies as well as solution for char padding i know i had spoke with jamest on these and we discussed solutions LONG ago but dont recall if either was addressed * derek wonders if the report wizard works oh, I noticed that the tools->run form hasn't been disabled in designer I might disable that for the debs to avoid bug reports http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/screenshots/activity.png a 10 minute form to edit chart of accounts for activity code and its supporting 4 reporting buckets nice pretty sweet... why people dont use gnue is beyond me... seriously one issue I have with the wx interface - the font used is ugly :) dumb screenshot program meant to only grab the window http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/screenshots/activity_closeup.png is better its fun to play with production data that has 10 years of financials in it :) derek: finally getting to use gnue for some larger projects? derek: * should work jcater: cool.. i didnt try it just know the users will ask and know before it didnt work and we discussed maybe making it an option * does work ajmitch : well i hope to use it to write a govt budgeting system i have approval to do so just a matter if the tool set can handle the work demand i suspect worse case only common gets used what do you mean by char padding? the tools will handle it, surely? jcater: if one choses to use char(30) for a description field and then inputs FOO and hits save it really saves as FOO plus 27 blanks so if you go to edit foo after a query you have to manually delete the 27 blanks derek: you use irssi too? chillywilly bitchx nice background bleh *** sjc has quit IRC bitch is teh sux bitchx too it does, but its the one i remembered the name of apt-get install irssi-text jcater: did that explain the problem well enough? * chillywilly has a nickr original background ;) yeah that's tricky at one time we discussed having forms handle this i think jamest had a similar problem at his client string.rstrip() ? :) or at work ajmitch: maybe and remembered doing something with sql*forms about it but then you are making forms overcome a design flaw of the database admin well not really but what if others needed those other spaces yes and no (why else would they choose a char() ?) personally i hate CHAR derek: I see your problem and agree 100% but in resource days CHAR was almost always used I just don't think it is as simple as blanketly rstripping text in this case i can create tables as VARCHAR iirc, there is a attribute and probably get around problem but i might have issue that spaces come out of old system 'rtrim': { 'Label': _('Trim right spaces'), 'Description': 'Trim extraneous space at end ' 'of user input.', 'Typecast': GTypecast.boolean, just putting the thought out on the table 'Default': False } }, I don't think that's fully functional but would be easy to make it so and might solve your problem imthis might have been what jamest was usign to solve i know we talked about I added this many many many moons ago because my damn wife types names as JasonCater but I haven't finished the code, iirc and to be evil any chance of wxGrid support in the near future derek: if this would work, I can probably patch tonight even in readonly mode? derek: I don't think you know what you're asking for wxGrid is evil, evil, evil i think i know its pure hell programming it is te suxors i really want to use gtk2 grid support would be useful, but it has to be coded for other ui drivers also but in looking at gtk2 its way behind gtk2 & listview stuff is nasty gtk2, or the ui driver? i dont think my team has the time to bring it up to speed :( ajmitch the ui driver has siesel been around lately? derek: it would require a few other things to get focus but then would be easy when do you need it by? derek: do you have a list of issues with the gtk2 ui driver? if in a week, you can forget it when you can get to it ajmitch i can make one if in a month, maybe we can do something for you 901-362-3333 ^---- Memphis area Pizza Hut roflmao hehe problem is our budget folks love spreadsheets so they want to see data like its in a spreadsheet bean counters... derek: disadvantage to catering to that is the next logical thought process for them will be I understand the usefulness of a gridview why can't I use formulas =) dinner time yeah in this case thats why "readonly" is acceptable to me :) basically the grid allows them to see multiple items in a ledger when they highlight one they can edit in the transaction pane or they can create new ones in transaction pane derek: why would you prefer gtk2 over wx? or query down to smaller result set in transaction pane ajmitch two main reasons 1. wx is ugly 2. gtk has good windows support now ok and a close third * jcater thinks gtk is pretty damn ugly too so compiling wx2.4 to use gtk 2.x wouldn't cut it? 3. wx has "issues" that often are so deep you cant work around them jcater: opinions vary, i like gtk2 quite a lot, but i dont think anyone much would argue that gtk2 is uglier than wx * jcater wonders why there's not a debian wxgtk2 package yet ajmitch : that seems like a pain for windows 100% of my user base is windows ah, gtk2 yeah, gtk2 is better but as a developer i want to run linux but wx does gtk2 as well no idea * ajmitch wishes there was wx 2.5 in experimental is compiled against gtk2 but for some reason, there's not wx+gtk2 packages yet :( oh * jcater shuts up then and ultimately others will have linux desktops soon i would toy with qt ... but qt on windows is non free :( * ajmitch wonders how functional the Qt driver is that's true believe me im not just pulling i want to use gtk2 out of my butt ajmitch: the main thing atm is it doesn't layout the screen quite right i have thought about it but I'm not adding any more effort to that problem until I first work on the generic layout management stuff for forms as imho, it'd be a wasted effort derek: I can understand those points derek: there's work on free qt for windows jcater: how long do you think it'd take for that, if you had "free time" ajmitch: it's second on my task list right behind input masks doh its time to run home which I'm probably a good "4 hrs of free time" away from finishing * derek runs away ah ok so in about 4 weeks? :) honestly, that's probably a good estimate as you can tell from the unfinished website * ajmitch knows that having a decent chunk of coding time is hard to find my gnue time abruptly ended about 3 weeks ago do I have access to the svn repository for the website if I find issues? ah yes, I do yip sigh :0:> svn up svn: :0:> svn up svn: Working copy '.' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) Working copy '.' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) oops * ajmitch waits for svn ajmitch: how's the battery? ajmitch: I think they charged me less the battery's working fine, thanks * ajmitch svn up's hmm this software is rather broken :0:> svn up Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding. U gnue-appserver/src/language/ObjectList.py svn: subversion/libsvn_ra_svn/marshal.c:434: vwrite_tuple: Assertion `opt || cstr' failed. Write failed flushing stdout buffer. why do you have such a funky prompt? because it's part of my actual prompt weirdo ;) I want derek's background to add to my collection derek: you have your char support now :) char? who the hell uses char? ;P you do no, I don't using gnome 2.6 yet? yeap it is installed been installed grabbed it from experimental? yip *** rsb has quit IRC http://www.gnu.org/graphics/gnu-jacket.html <-- HEH migh make a nice GNUe mascot ;) might *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise *** mdean has joined #gnuenterprise *** wendall911 has quit IRC *** dneighbo has joined #gnuenterprise wb dneighbo mdean! *** dcmwai has quit IRC *** dneighbo_ has quit IRC chillywilly! hi sup? lots of stuff :P certainly I finally had to give in and start the "public" interface for DCL and contact management what's the "public" interface? users that can login to DCL, but are locked down to either their tickets or their account's tickets or work orders, if you choose to have them use those pretty much stripped down to browse and submit :) hmmmm, ok if it gets rid of Remedy, I'll be a happy man for a day haven't used dcl in a while now as I am not doing contract work right now...I got a real job(tm) ;P hey mdean cool - if you like it :P ajmitch! howdy! * dneighbo rubs eyes is that mdean I think it could be the real mdean can we get his autograph? ;) will the real mdean please stand up... please stand up oh sorry wrong channel ;) I wish evolution had some kinda non-obnoxious dialog notifying that you have email....like kmail does one that does not grab focus *** dcmwai has joined #gnuenterprise hey dneighbo what tool will generate schema from a gsd? nevermind chillywilly: a gnue mascot? looks more like the GNU/Mafia mascot you guys were always talking about a GNU in a suit ;) gsd doesn't support foreign keys? *** dcmwai has quit IRC