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<kilo> reinhard: hello
<kilo> can i put codepage info into the gsd?
<reinhard> kilo: sure
<reinhard> kilo: gsd is xml
<reinhard> that means you can use
<holycow> hey all
<reinhard> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<reinhard> or whatever you want
<kilo> ok, it was misleading
<kilo> i want codepage info for the database fields
<reinhard> i think i don't understand
<reinhard> hello holycow and lekma
<reinhard> the encoding for the database fields depends on your database installation
<kilo> i have an interbase db, and string fields have a property 'character set'
<reinhard> really?
<reinhard> every string field has it's own character set?
<reinhard> so you can say name is latin-2 and street is utf-8?
<kilo> havent tried that but it seems so
<reinhard> that sounds like a feature i wouldn't even want to use if you paid me for it :)
<kilo> LOL
<reinhard> usually you define a global encoding for the database
<reinhard> some (most?) databases even define the encoding at install time
<reinhard> and you can't change for existing dbs
<kilo> and can you tell in the gsd the global encoding?
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> like i said most databases don't support selection at runtime
<reinhard> AFAICT
<kilo> so i should creat the db with a given encoding and then use the gsd to put tables in it
<reinhard> if a database _would_ support to select encoding at runtime
<reinhard> i would generally set it to UTF-8 anyway
<reinhard> yeah i think i would do that
<kilo> ok, thnks
<kilo> +a
<lekma> hello reinhard
<reinhard> hi lekma
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<reinhard> i saw your discussion (or the start of it) with jcater yesterday
<reinhard> i am in the lucky situation that i never reuse a datasource object for more than one query
<reinhard> that is
<reinhard> i always create datasources dynamically, use them for one query, and discard them afterwards
<reinhard> (in appserver)
<reinhard> so i don't hit that bug
<lekma> lucky you :)
<lekma> <reinhard> i always create datasources dynamically, <-- how?
<lekma> oh ok
<lekma> i grt it now
<lekma> s/grt/get
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> i do not even have an xml file that defines the datasource
<reinhard> i do it all in memory :)
<lekma> so i should use appserver... but there is no such thing as a serial property type...yet
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> we will be working on that
<reinhard> but it might take a month or so
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<lekma> oh btw there's smthing which is really annoying with appserver, that is the fact that you have to restart it when you add a user
<holycow> heh
<holycow> really?
<holycow> that HAS to be fixed before 1.0 i would think :)
<lekma> well maybe it's already fixed, it's been two weeks since i didn't try appserver
<reinhard> lekma: that should be fixed
<reinhard> there was a bug that sometimes a session didn't see the committed changes of another session even if a new query is issued
<holycow> btw... i know that www.csszengarden.com but seeing what can be done with css has really focused why gnue is doing things right
<reinhard> and what you are describing sounds much like a symptom of that bug
<holycow> for any cms to rewrite them selves to do all their layout via css would be a nightmare
<holycow> nice job guys :)
<lekma> i will try it again later today...
<holycow> presumably with gnue one would only haveto write a 'driver' to use css like layouts instead of rewriting the apps :)
<johannesV> reinhard, should 'gnue_type/length/scale' of gnue_procedure be added to repository.ini ? (i think this isn't a must)
<reinhard> johannesV: we have the rest in there, haven't we?
<reinhard> if yes, we should add the new fields, too
<reinhard> to be complete
<johannesV> ok, so for completeness
<reinhard> yep
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<reinhard> good morning jamest
<jamest> morning
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i've been here 15 minutes and I'm ready to go home
<reinhard> rofl
* reinhard figures jamest probably doesn't find it funny...
<jamest> not very funny
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<chillywilly> jamest: heheh
<jamest> but I'm glad others can get some pleasure out of it :)
* chillywilly wants to go home too ;)
<jamest> well, i got to spend Sat out in a field digging thistle and fixing fence
<jamest> as I'm a natural blonde my tanning ability works like this.....i turn red
<reinhard> bbl
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<reinhard> off to lug meeting
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<Konijn> 'lo all
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<Konijn> any one interested in me not being able to start the gnue-designer in windows ?
<Konijn> I guess not :D
<jamest> Konijn: what does it do?
<Konijn> it complains :D
<Konijn> DB000:   File "C:\gnue\Python233\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\docks\DockedPane.py", line 59, in __init__
<Konijn> DB000:     if sys.platform == "win32":
<Konijn> DB000: NameError: global name 'sys' is not defined
<Konijn> funny thing is , I had this in icons.py as well
<Konijn> I added the import sys there and it worked fine then
<Konijn> which is weird, because this import sys is already in the os.py
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<Konijn> disclaimer : I am a python novice
<Konijn> I dont want to add import sys in every file, I probably did something wrong like letting python use the wrong os.py
<Konijn> or is that plain non-sense ?
<jamest> Konijn: just a sec
<Konijn> oki
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<kilo> Konijn: you running tarball or svn version of designer?
<Konijn> svn
<Konijn> hard cOr3
<Konijn> heh
<jamest> i'm prettty sure that import sys needs to be in there
<Konijn> in icons.py ?
<Konijn> and the other one ?
<jamest> unless someone imported sys into the builtins somewhere else in gnue, in which case they need smacked
<Konijn> It sounds to me like smacking is needed
<Konijn> what would be the approach I would have to take in order to let gnue-designer work then ?
<jamest> htose imports need to happen in each file that needs sys
<Konijn> yuck
<jamest> but there shouldn't be that many
<Konijn> okay, I'll give it a try
<kilo> hmmm, desginer works here
<Konijn> should someone fix the svn as well ?
<Konijn> and is in your local version a reference to sys.py ?
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<kilo> no, no reference
<Konijn> odd
<kilo> dockepane.py it is?
<Konijn> that is the second file that bursts yes
<Konijn> the first one is icons.py
<Konijn> which I 'fixed' already
<jamest> where is that file?
<kilo> designer/src/base/docks
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<jamest> i mean the icons one?
<kilo> icons.py is in designer/src/base
<Konijn> C:\gnue\Python233\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\Icons.pyc
<Konijn> yeah
<jamest> founok, thanks
<jamest> ok, i'll commit the imports on both those files
<Konijn> but how come it works on your side
<Konijn> if you do not have these includes
<Konijn> that is what boggles my brain
<Konijn> ??
<Konijn> is it because maybe your compiled version still has the link to sys.py ?
<kilo> well, after all it is computer technology...
<kilo> so anythuing can happen
<Konijn> I did follow this url : http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/WindowsQuickStart
<Konijn> so I hope that is good 
<kilo> ohhh, i wonder who wrote that...
<kilo> oh no, it was meeeee
<Konijn> hehe
<Konijn> good
<Konijn> so I can bother you a lot about that one :D
<kilo> deleted all compiled files from the incriminated directories
<kilo> but it still works
<Konijn> so weird
<Konijn> so something is wrong on my side then
<Konijn> anyway, next error :
<Konijn> DB000:   File "C:\gnue\Python233\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\base\tools\PropertyEditor.py", line 131, in __init__
<Konijn> DB000:     self.splitter = splitter = wxSplitterWindow(self, -1, style=wxSP_FULLSASH | wxSP_NOBORDER)
<Konijn> DB000: NameError: global name 'wxSP_FULLSASH' is not defined
<Konijn> plus
<Konijn> DB000:   File "C:\gnue\Python233\Lib\site-packages\gnue\designer\forms\LayoutEditor\LayoutEditor.py", line 143, in __OnGridSize
<Konijn> DB000:     w, h = self.panel.GetSizeTuple()
<Konijn> DB000: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'GetSizeTuple'
<kilo> GetSizeTuple error affirmed, it is displayed here too
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<kilo> but it runs with that
<Konijn> yeah
<Konijn> that's what I figured
<Konijn> the first error though does really spoil my session
<kilo> cannot reproduce first one
<kilo> is wx working at your system?
<Konijn> should be
<Konijn> how do I test this ?
<Konijn> doodle frame from the examples works
<Konijn> hangman as well
<Konijn> nice game :D
<Konijn> is the first time i played it
<kilo> can you start intro.gfd with wx?
<Konijn> yes
<Konijn> no problem
<Konijn> Confucius say, "Others are drawn to your GNUe tools."
<Konijn> :D
<Konijn> at least , my install does not seem to be screwed up too much
<kilo> you see 3 tabs???
<Konijn> 3 tabs ?
<Konijn> where ?
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<kilo> 3 pages
<Konijn> no 2
<Konijn> one that says page down
<Konijn> the other you can get a fortune cookie 
<Konijn> mine said the confucius thingy
<kilo> ok, 2
<kilo> i see no pages on wx/winmdows
<kilo> did you use the "-u wx" parameter
<Konijn> you dont see 1/2 or 2/2 in the bottom right corner ?
<Konijn> now I did
<Konijn> it's absolutely the same
<kilo> hmm, strange
<kilo> i us w2k. and you?
<Konijn> winxp home
<Konijn> sadly enough
<Konijn> I refuse to pay money for w2k
<kilo> btami uses xp too and he also reported no tabs running this form with wx
<Konijn> tabs ?
<kilo> eh, pages
<Konijn> oh like in a tab-control ?
<Konijn> no, I dont see that
<Konijn> I just see 1/2 or 2/2 in left down corner
<kilo> tabbed dialog pages, officially
<Konijn> I can change 'page' with control+pgdwn or control-pageup
<Konijn> I think this was a language failure :D
<Konijn> sorry
<kilo> ok, it is not oimportant. important thing is: wx is working
<Konijn> yes
<Konijn> but not the designer
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<btami> hi all
<SachaS> night
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<jamest> btami: hi
<btami> hi jamest
<jamest> Konijn: btami is our windows master
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<Konijn> ah
<Konijn> hello btami
<btami> hi
<kilo> hi btami
<btami> seems you installed wx 2.5.x, arn't you?
<ajmitch> jamest: I saw this when using wxpython 2.5.1
<btami> hi kilo
<ajmitch> heh
<ajmitch> hi btami :)
<btami> hi ajmitch
<ajmitch> btami: yes, I had this issue on debian as well with wx 2.5.x
<btami> gnue is not adjusted to use 2.5.x
<Konijn> # This file was generated by setup.py...
<Konijn> VERSION_STRING  = '2.5.1.5'
<btami> yes
<Konijn> damnit
<btami> Koninj: please download 2.4.2.4 from sf
<Konijn> it's even on the wiki page
<ajmitch> 2.5.x is the latest development branch of wx, not the stable branch
<ajmitch> where?
<Konijn> ah non
<Konijn> it's not
<btami> moment...
<Konijn> fly int the eye :D
<kilo> not on wiki page
<Konijn> so how does that work ?
<Konijn> how do I uninstall the 2.5 ?
<btami> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPythonWIN32-2.4.2.4-Py23.exe
<btami> from start menu/control panel etc.
<Konijn> wow
<Konijn> that works well
<Konijn> I'm going to like python
<kilo> wiki page updated
<btami> kilo: thx
<kilo> thx to Konijn and btami!
<Konijn> oh yeah
<Konijn> that works
<Konijn> dude
<Konijn> that's great !
<Konijn> Ok, another one
<Konijn> when I try to run the intro.gfd in the gnue-designer it doesnt work
<Konijn> DB000: [C:\gnue\Python233\Lib\site-packages\gnue\common\logic\NamespaceCore:194] Trigger attempting to reset a form object
<Konijn> I get this like 100 times and dont see anything happen ?
<kilo> oh no, a derek #2... 8-))))
<Konijn> what, he needed a lot of attention and was an absolute newbie :D
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<kilo> not exactly...
* Konijn wonders curiously what kilo means
<kilo> ask derek 8-))
<btami> maybe reinhard will answare that, he is our NamespaceCore masta :)
* Konijn nudges reinhard
<ajmitch> Konijn: running a form from tools->run form?
<Konijn> yeah
<Konijn> this time in windows :D
<btami> oh, that's not functional!
<Konijn> so you just have to call the gnue-forms on it then, ok
<btami> maybe jcater or jamest will fix it when time comes...
<ajmitch> maybe :)
<Konijn> which list do you post on most 
<btami> :)
<ajmitch> I think I reported it last month, and they complained about me finding bugs ;)
<Konijn> I am checking gnue-dev , but there seems to be not a lot of traffic on it
<ajmitch> gnue@gnu.org, iirc
<ajmitch> I never post, but I read the list :)
<ajmitch> gnue-dev seems to be used as well, but not as frequently
<Konijn> well, I think I'll be reporting some bugs as well :D
<Konijn> of course, most of those wont be bugs :D
<ajmitch> yeah, they won't mind, and the bugs should even get fixed
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<Konijn> g'night
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<chillywilly> if I have a string that is a name of a class how would I call the constructor of that class then?
<jamest> python eval statemnet?
* jamest has never tried it though
<chillywilly> yea that works
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<chillywilly> hey nickr 
<chillywilly> holycow!
<chillywilly> :P
<holycow> chilly :)
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