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<ajmitch> hi reinhard
<reinhard> hello ajmitch
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<reinhard> greetings to hungary!
<kilo> hi there in milka-land!!!
<btami> hi reinhard!
<reinhard> lol
<kilo> hmmm is it jodli or yodli in english?
<ajmitch> hi btami, kilo :)
<btami> hi ajmitch
<kilo> hi there somewhere far over the other side of the globe
<ajmitch> heh
<kilo> yodel, i found it!
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<ajmitch> hi johannesV
<johannesV> hi ajmitch
<SachaS> morning
<johannesV> good morning SachaS
<SachaS> hi johannesV how are you? I saw you checked in calculated fileds :)
<johannesV> SachaS: I'm fine, thanks
<johannesV> yes I've commited 'a first version' of them
<johannesV> have you already tested em?
<SachaS> unfortunately not :(
<reinhard> SachaS: what? you are neglectful in your duty??
<reinhard> ;-)
<SachaS> not sure how you guys do it ... i get tired sometimes ;)
<SachaS> specially in the evening
<SachaS> dont you have a life?
<johannesV> :)
<SachaS> johannesV: what was the other thing. now you have to set the return type of a procedure in the classrepository?
<johannesV> SachaS: yes, correct
<johannesV> you can leave it emtpy (which means a procedure has no result)
<SachaS> ok. and when returning another type as specified you get an exception ...
<johannesV> appserver now checks for this and throws an exception if a procedure returns a result but shouldn't or vice versa
<johannesV> or even if the resulttype doesn't match the definition
<johannesV> appserver checks for all types now (properties, procedure-results and -parameters)
<SachaS> can u use calculated fileds in the <condition> statement, yet?
<SachaS> <condition> statement of a <datasource> ?
<reinhard> not *yet*
<reinhard> but that will be when calculated fields unfold their full power
<SachaS> reinhard: concering your email about a) indirect, b) forumla properties and c) calculated fileds
<SachaS> when i was reading it i was thinking
<SachaS> about b and c
<SachaS> that
<SachaS> appserver could implement both ;)
<SachaS> or have both in one
<SachaS> as have the developer write the procedure in some language
<SachaS> and the appserver decides
<SachaS> if it wants to execute it itself or push it down to the database
<SachaS> but that would be overkill atm
<SachaS> in the invoice example
<SachaS> it could first get the the number of invoice lines
<SachaS> and depending on the number of invoice lines decide whether to read have query for each or let the db do the work
<SachaS> but i guess thats for optimisation which comes much later
<SachaS> first get it to work
<SachaS> and then think of optimisation
<SachaS> except you know what you are doing :)
<reinhard> i very much believe appserver will implement both
<reinhard> but with different "languages"
<reinhard> the author of the classes will decide where to use b) and where to use c)
<reinhard> because as long as it's technically possible to push a calculation to the backend this will be better
<reinhard> in any case
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<ajmitch> in some cases you have to assume that the app writer knows what they're doing :)
<reinhard> :)
<ajmitch> (yes I am slow at replying ;) )
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<reinhard> l8r all
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<Arturas> Hello
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<derek> doh our muse left
<derek> what are we to do?
<nickr> MUSE
<jcater> well
<jcater> we could
<jcater> move to the left
<jcater> move to the left
<jcater> move to the right
<jcater> move to the right
<jcater> now, slide... slide....
<nickr> the devestating MASSAMAN COMBO
<chillywilly> um....you guys are loosing your freakin' minds
<jcater> loosing our minds?
<jcater> my mind is already pretty loose
<chillywilly> losing too
<nickr> my mind is tight like a hotel bedspring
<chillywilly> I heard that your mind isn't the only thing ;)
* jcater worries about chillywilly sometimes
<chillywilly> cool
<chillywilly> at least someone cares
<chillywilly> :'(
<nickr> I don't care about chillywilly.
<chillywilly> you bitch
* chillywilly trout slaps nickr with authority
<nickr> ...
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<_florin_> hello
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<Konijn> good evening/morning
<_florin_> good evening Konijin
<Konijn> ah, another European :D
<_florin_> actually there's a lot of europeans here :-)
<derek> wow with all the europeans maybe there will be more football fans :)
<Konijn> I come from Brugge
<Konijn> they play pretty well in UEFA, I think
<derek> suppose over there Atkinson is all over the news for his comments about Chelsea
<derek> didnt even hit the newspapers or television here
<derek> we used to have another belgian around LONG ago in this project
<derek> dealt with steel recycling (iirc)
<derek> m00set
<Konijn> personally I'm an SAP techie
<Konijn> currently working at Panasonic Batteries Europe
<derek> cool
<derek> doesnt gnue mean something in your part of the world?
<Konijn> noops
<Konijn> although it sounds good :D
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<Konijn> better than compierre for example :D
<derek> must be some part of scandanavia
<derek> parlez-vous francais?
<Konijn> bien sure :D
<Konijn> comme chaque belge
<Konijn> I am actually married to a French, so ...
* derek always looks for the europeans that like soccer and ones that speak french all the better :)
<Konijn> my written French is quite horrible though
<Konijn> you wont learn too much from me
<derek> at least that is what you tell her to get out of writing thank you notes to her family :)
<Konijn> heh
<Konijn> I just to work with her, she used to correct my emails :D
<derek> what part of france is your wife from?
<Konijn> *used
<Konijn> she is from Bretagne, Brest
<Konijn> at the north-west coast
<derek> thats close enough to consider being British
* derek runs and hides before he gets beaten
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<Konijn> heh
<Konijn> well, they have some language that is close to gaelic
<derek> they still do a lot of fishing industry there?
<Konijn> a lot of army marine activities as well
<Konijn> and tourism of course
<Konijn> she hasnt anyway lived in France since the last 10 years or so
<Konijn> her dad was in the navy
<derek> i was gonna say brest was big for its sailors
<derek> still a lot of boat races there i think
<Konijn> mostly for it's navy port
<Konijn> yeah
<Konijn> it's also know for bad weather :D
<Konijn> *known
<derek> cool so you plan on using gnue
<derek> or just looking at it
<Konijn> just looking at it right now
<Konijn> the main issue is that I dont know Python yet
<derek> it owuld be nice to get a SAP perspective
<Konijn> and that I have quite some issues to make it work
<derek> python is easy to learn
<Konijn> it seems indeed easy to learn
<Konijn> so I'm still checking it out
<Konijn> also it is sad that quite some samples just dont work :(
<Konijn> none of the history samples even parse
<Konijn> and the pig latin script in the intro.gfd doesnt seem to work either
<_florin_> python is indeed easy to learn it took me 30 min :-)
<Konijn> and how long did it take to learn the api's ?
<Konijn> to know which methods are in strings etc.
<Konijn> is there a kind of java doc for python ?
<_florin_> hm... try google (good python doc :-)
<Konijn> heh
<Konijn> I still dont see how to easily fix the \gnue-forms\samples\intro\intro.gfd
<_florin_> what exactly is broken there? it works for me (though i'm not an expert... :-( )
* _florin_ doesn't really know what intro.gfd is supposed to do anyway ...
<_florin_> but a window pops up if i call gnue-forms intro.gfd :-)
<Konijn> well, if you press control page down
<Konijn> you can fill in your name
<Konijn> when reading the code, it should change
<Konijn> Tom Demuyt
<Konijn> into like  mtoyan Tdemuyan
<Konijn> or something like that
<Konijn> but it keeps saying 'name is too short'
<Konijn> which is really awfull error handling
<Konijn> if you look at the code
<Konijn> check the trigger PigLatin
<Konijn> and the 2 forms in \gnue-forms\samples\history dont work at all
* ajmitch blames jcater
<_florin_> Omtay Emuytday
<Konijn> you see it ?
<_florin_> works over here...
<Konijn> that is not good
<Konijn> it doesnt work at my side
<_florin_> i have yesterday's svn checkout, though.
<Konijn> I have todays
<_florin_> so perhaps the problem you have has already been fixed...
<_florin_> oh
<_florin_> revision 5756, right?
<_florin_> (at least that's what svn update says...)
<_florin_> works for me.
<derek> it worked for me as well
<Konijn> that is annoying
<Konijn> so you just filled in Tom Demuyt
<Konijn> and it worked ?
<_florin_> yep.
<Konijn> I am also at 5756
<_florin_> win32?
<Konijn> yes
<Konijn> and you guys ?
<_florin_> i'm using linux-ppc
<_florin_> would be nice to know if anybody else using w32 can run that thingy...
<Konijn> yes
<derek> um
<Konijn> how can I print something in python to the console ?
<derek> i could as of the other day
<derek> i have a pissed off firewall
<derek> so can only get on linux currently (svn copies)
* derek slurps up to minute cvs
<derek> er svn
<derek> Konijn : silly question
<Konijn> print
<Konijn> google does like python
<bigbrother> http://www.rubycentral.com/faq/rubyfaq-2.html
<derek> when you type Tom Demuyt it should do nothing
<derek> until you exit the field
<Konijn> I get the message then ' Name not long enough.'
<derek> wow
<derek> i dont get that even if i leave it blank
<derek> what language are you using
* derek is wondering if there is some i18n issue going on
<Konijn> ???
<Konijn> win32
<Konijn> english
<Konijn> how can I get the real error message
<Konijn> since there is 
<Konijn> an exception
<derek> you are getting a gnue expection or other?
<Konijn> python
<derek> what version of wxWindows are you using
<derek> and what version of python are you using
<Konijn> except: 
<Konijn>   out = "Name not long enough."
<Konijn> SampleBlock.CodeNameEntry.set(strip(out))
<Konijn> Python 2.3.3 (#51, Dec 18 2003, 20:22:39) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win32
<derek> im running python2.3.3 here with wx 2.4.2 for python2.3
<Konijn> wx wxVERSION_STRING  = '2.4.2.4'
<Konijn> no difference there
<derek> try
<derek> using
<derek> gfcvs --debug-level=20 intro.gfd
<derek> where gfcvs is whatever command you are using to run forms
<derek> this should give you more debug information
<derek> im wondering if you python install has issues
<Konijn> okay
<Konijn> will try
<Konijn> that gives not more information
<Konijn> what I did is I rewrote the exception block
<Konijn> like this : 
<derek> the other thing you can do is in intro.gfd
<derek> put checks or keep moving the try down
<Konijn> except (TypeError, ValueError):
<Konijn>   print TypeError
<Konijn>   print ValueError
<derek> to see where it is "except"ing at
<Konijn> exceptions.TypeError
<Konijn> exceptions.ValueError
<Konijn> is what I get then
<Konijn> sigh
<derek> i would remove the try except altogether
<derek> just comment them out and move everything left two spaces
<derek> this way you can get the "raw" python error
<jcater> or just do a "raise" in the except: block
<jcater> accomplishes same thing ... i.e., re-raises previous exception
<derek> im wondering if it is not liking the string. references
<jcater> <Konijn>   print TypeError
<jcater> <Konijn>   print ValueError
<jcater> is only printing internal constants
<derek> i have found that some of the code lately in forms is not windows friendly
<derek> because of some python changes
<Konijn> yuck
<derek> i know the one i hit was actually relating to dbdriver datetime calls
<Konijn> my install in Debian was even more painful to use then windows
<derek> this one seems pretty simple.... so its kind of odd
<derek> ?
<derek> wow debian gnue takes about 12 minutes to install (including download)
<derek> and works nearly flawlessly for me
<derek> svn that is...
<derek> i havent tried the debian packages
<Konijn> I think I screwed up by first installing debian packages & then svn
<Konijn> so stuff gets confused
<derek> could be
<Konijn>  for word in string.splitfields(s,' '):
<Konijn>   if word:
<Konijn>     print word
<Konijn>     # check for punctuation
<Konijn>     p = 0
<Konijn>     while word[p-1] not in string.uppercase+string.lowercase:
<Konijn>       p = p-1
<Konijn>     if p:
<Konijn>       punc = word[p:]
<Konijn>       word = word[:p]
<Konijn>     else: punc = ''
<Konijn>     print word , 1
<Konijn> it never gets to the last print statement
<Konijn> I have of course no clue what is wrong
<Konijn> it does print the first 'print word'
<Konijn> hmm
<Konijn>     p = 0
<Konijn>     print p
<Konijn>     while word[p-1] not in uppercase+lowercase:
<Konijn>       print p
<Konijn> it never gets even to the 2nd print here
<Konijn> so it really doesnt like uppercase+lowercase
<Konijn> I also tried string.uppercase+string.lowercase
<Konijn> well, the misses is calling
<Konijn> I wish you all a good night
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