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<dneighbo> im here
<ajmitch> hey masta
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<jamest_> what's the new sound system in linux?
<jamest_> alsa or oss?
* jamest_ can't recall
<johannesV_> alsa i think
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<Aragorn_Guardian> hi all...
<Aragorn_Guardian> i like some info about gnu app server
<Aragorn_Guardian> someone can help?
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<derek> reinhard_ can
<derek> jamest: alsa
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<Aragorn_Guardian>  derek: thanks...
<Aragorn_Guardian>  reinhard_: hi...i like some info about app server...what is it status???
<derek> i can answer that one to a degree
<derek> it is not in production anywhere officially, but its close
<Aragorn_Guardian> hum...
<derek> reinhard's company is creating a production application that uses it
<derek> that is the major thing keeping it from "production quality" is someone using in production an solving the issues that come up during a real testing of the software :)
<Aragorn_Guardian> what is working? can i make some apps whithin?
<derek> yes you can
<Aragorn_Guardian> hum...great...
<derek> it might be missing some "advanced features"
<derek> but the stuff to make applications should be there
<Aragorn_Guardian> so, what i need download? app server only? and the other tools? is needeed for basic development?
<derek> gnue-common
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<derek> and gnue-appserver as a minimum
<derek> that will let you work with appserver
<Aragorn_Guardian> is only gnuecommon and gnu app server?
<derek> if you want a front end to build applications you can grab gnue-forms and gnue-designer as well
<Aragorn_Guardian> ok...thanks..
<derek> Aragorn_Guardian : depends on what you want to do
<derek> if you want just an application server its only gnue-appserver and gnue-common
<derek> if you want the framework you would want gnue-forms, gnue-reports, gnue-designer and gnue-navigator as well
<Aragorn_Guardian> derek: thanks...gonna get them... 8)
<derek> reinhard, seisel and johannes (sp) are probably best for specific appserver issues
<derek> jcater and jamest are probably best suited for forms, common questions
<derek> and jcater best for reports and designer issues
<derek> if you are running on windows btami is our windows expert :)
<derek> and of course feel free to ask questions here or on the list and generally someone will respond
<derek> even if it is just to point you to the person that knows the real answer :)
<derek> Aragorn_Guardian : so you planning to do portguese translations ;)
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<Aragorn_Guardian> hi..
<Aragorn_Guardian>  derek: 8) good idea...ehehe
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<reinhard> hi Konijn
<Konijn> hello reinhard
<reinhard> just answered your mail
<Konijn> hmmm
<Konijn> just got an gmail account
<Konijn> still setting up stuff
<Konijn> w00t 1000 megabyte mail account
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<reinhard> in short
<Konijn> yes ?
<Konijn> I missed it
<reinhard> the problem you are facing is not a gnue-forms issue
<reinhard> it's a bug in intro.gfd
<Konijn> it's python issue I guess
<reinhard> no
<reinhard> it's a bug in that special sample
<Konijn> okay
<reinhard> in the code that generates the pig latin
<reinhard> so you won't hit the bug in production
<reinhard> unless you use pig latin in production ;-)
<Konijn> no, but most certainly I will use string.uppercase / string.lowercase
<Konijn> and since I will not be able to control the settings on the client side 
<Konijn> alpha numerical customer codes ( FR900203 ) will always be uppercased
<Konijn> what happens then ?
<reinhard> that's ok
<reinhard> it really is wrong usage of these functions
<reinhard> IIRC
<reinhard> i have to leave in 15 minutes for a LUG meeting
<Konijn> okay
<reinhard> but i might be lucky and find out until then
<reinhard> as i said i already spotted the bug but fortgot where it was :((
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<reinhard> Konijn: ok i found it
<reinhard> the problem is the
<reinhard> foo in string.uppercase + string.lowercase
<reinhard> string.uppercase and string.lowercase are 8-bit strings
<reinhard> and the word that is being tested is a unicode string
<reinhard> so python tries to silently convert
<reinhard> which it can't wen string.uppercase+string.lowercase contains non-ASCII characters
<reinhard> I think i will fix later
<reinhard> must go now :(
<jcater> wow, this is a lot of work/investigation
<jcater> for just a demo intro form
<jcater> :-/
<reinhard> l8r al
<reinhard> all
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<johannesV> jamest: i've found out why <null> in <condition>-tags works for you but not for me :)
<johannesV> appserver's dbdriver uses GConditions.buildPrefixFromTree () to create conditions
<johannesV> all DBSIG2-based drivers uses _buildQuery () derived from the DBSIG2-DataObject
<johannesV> there conditionElements has an entry for <null> ... and things alike :)
<johannesV> and that was also the reason why <cparam> didn't work with appserver, but with all dbsig2-drivers
<johannesV> there is no other module in gnue which uses GConditions.buildPrefixFromTree () at the moment
<johannesV> i'll fix this function to support <null>s
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<derek> reinhard: i told him issue was probably i18n problem :)
<derek> i just have no way to reasonably test :)
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<derek> jcater: you around?
<derek> quick (well possibly quick) gnue-reports question
<derek> trying to play with label sample
<derek> i created the database and such and when i run
<jcater> yeah
<derek> $ ~/bin/grcvs -F label="Avery 5961" -f postscript -D file -d foo.ps labels.grd
<derek> i get the following
<derek> --
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/neighborsd/svn/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/base/GREngine.py", line 115, in processReport
<derek> DB000:     filtAdapter.close()
<derek> DB000:   File "/home/neighborsd/svn/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/reports/adapters/filters/Labels/labels/Adapter.py", line 64, in close
<derek> DB000:     op, val = option.split('=',2)
<derek> DB000: ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
<derek> not sure if my syntax is bogus
<jcater> try -F 'label="Avery 5961"'
<jcater> and see if that matters
<jcater> may be the shell butchering something
<derek> you are super genius
<derek> that fixed it up
<derek> now for the complex question
<derek> where is Avery 5961 defined?
<derek> and how do you redefine/position for other label types
<jcater> is this svn "install"
<jcater> or actual setup.py install?
* derek notes he is going to update teh docs to '' the param (until a later date)
<derek> this is svn install (iirc)(
<jcater> gnue/gnue-reports/src/adapters/filters/Labels/etc/label-specs.dat
<jcater> no easy way to define your own via command line yet
<jcater> as hasn't been an issue
<jcater> err, waiot
<jcater> lemme look at source
<jcater> I might have allowed for that
<jcater> ah, well, what do you know
<jcater> I did
<jcater> continuous="N" columns="1" rows="3"
<jcater>             labelwidth="10.16cm" labelheight="7.62cm"
<jcater>             leftmargin="0.635cm" topmargin="2.54cm"
<jcater>             horizontalspacing="0.0cm" verticalspacing="7.62cm"
<jcater>             insideleftmargin="0" insiderightmargin="0"
<jcater>             insidetopmargin="0" insidebottommargin="0"
<jcater>             pagewidth="8.5in" pageheight="11in"
<jcater> are the various label parameters
<jcater> you should be able to do
<jcater> -F 'label=custom labelwidth=5in labelheight=3in ...'
<derek> i was more curious as to permanent
<derek> looks like i could add that directly to labels.dat
<jcater> yip
<derek> er label-specs.dat
<derek> and then i could just do -F label="MyBadBoyLabel"
<jcater> make sure you don't need to add an alias instead of a definition, though
<derek> is there a list somewhere of what is supported?
<jcater> label-specs.dat
<jcater> =)
* derek writes note to self
<derek> "write routine to read label-specs.dat and spit out a supported list"
<derek> ;)
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<jcater> gnue/gnue-reports/src/adapters/filters/Labels/labels/LabelSpecs.py will read it
<jcater> just need to do a quick script that loads that module
<jcater> and spits out contents like you want
<derek> cool
<derek> i may play with that
<derek> wife is selling coupon program more now and wants full contact manager
<derek> so i have some motivations to get her using gnue
<derek> jcater: any preference where that script should belong?
<derek> i.e. is there some rule to where utilities like that go?
<jcater> I'd probably put in gnue-reports/utils for now
<ajmitch_> hiya folks
<jcater> howdy
* ajmitch looks around for jbailey
<jbailey> ajmitch: What up?
<ajmitch> aha!
<ajmitch> I'm up & about
<jbailey> woohoo!
<ajmitch> just crawled out of bed :)
<jbailey> *lol*
<ajmitch> you have any free time?
<jbailey> In a couple of minutes, yeah.  I'm still working.
<ajmitch> ok
<ajmitch> I've sort of got free time for the next 2 hours :)
<ajmitch> need to get packages sorted :)
<jbailey> Hey anyone know if integrator works these days?
* jbailey listens to the crickets chirping.
<ajmitch> it compiles, doesn't it? :)
<jcater> works these days?
<jcater> you seem to imply it at one point worked
<jbailey> I thought there had been a demo of it at one point.
<jcater> actually, I dunno
<ajmitch> or that at one point it started working
<jcater> I've never used it, so don't know
<ajmitch> I didn't know anyone ever worked on it
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* ajmitch mutters
<dsmith> Ok guys.  I only sorta half pay attention to what's going on in here.  What exactly *is* the state of gnue today?  There is a project at work where it might come in handy.  We are thinking of moving an app from Access to maybe a postgress db, but no one knows what to do with the forms and macros and stuff.
<ajmitch> you *did* have to ask just when jcater & jamest leave :)
<ajmitch> as far as I know, it's in pretty good shape, tools-wise
<ajmitch> appserver is getting useful
<ajmitch> and forms & designer are fairly stable & usable
<ajmitch> that's about the limit of my knowledge at the moment :)
<dsmith> Ok.
<dsmith> This project is not really my gig, I'm doing more kernel development right now.
<ajmitch> ah right
<derek> pooh 
<derek> jcater ran away
<dsmith> But I've been doing a lot of the unixy admin things around here too, so I'm involved somewhat.
<ajmitch> derek can answer all your questions
<dsmith> Ok.
<dsmith> Well I'll be back tomorrow. Way past time to go home.
<dsmith> It might even snow here tonight!
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<someon> Dumb question...  the 0.5.4 Windows release...  is there something funky with designer, or am I doing something wrong?  (More likely the latter..)
<ajmitch> what happens?
<someon> I can't get it to explore a data source, nor add a datasource
<ajmitch> hmmm
<ajmitch> using what db driver?
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<someon> Connect to -> InterbaseDB doesn't bring anything up, but nor does ODBC  drivers
* ajmitch doesn't know anything about those drivers..
<someon> When I do a "Test DB Connection" from connection .gfd, it works...  Just seems to be designer...
<ajmitch> I've not heard of people with problems, but you could wait out here or send a mail to the list?
<someon> I can hang here for a bit...  but, as I was saying must be something I'm doing wrong :)
<ajmitch> nah.. :)
<ajmitch> you may be able to connect, but I don't know what introspection is provided with those drivers
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<someon> Ahh.. yeah, that could be it...
<someon> But when I do a connect to -> InterbaseDB within Designer, it should still prompt for Username / Password...
<ajmitch> yes, it should..
<someon> What more do I have to do?
* someon is having newbie complex
<ajmitch> contact the actual developers
<ajmitch> (hint: I'm not one ;) )
<someon> Grins... I know...  I lurk a fair bit.
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<jamest> odbc doesn't do introspection
<jamest> not sure why the interbase driver isn't prompting for pwd though
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<someon> jamest: Nods... Maybe if I had something newer (wants to follow advice to SVN up) it would just work...
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<holycow> hey all
<holycow> hey check this out:
<holycow> http://dwi.sourceforge.net/
<holycow> sounds pretty much what you guys are doing
<holycow> any thoughts?
<holycow> actually it seems more primitive than gnue
<dcmwai> holycow, I've no idea now ...
<dcmwai> :(
<holycow> hey no worries, just curious :) 
<dcmwai> they seem to be to same but aimed to different purpose.
<holycow> *nod* good point
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