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<reinhard> good morning kilo
<kilo> hi reinhard
<reinhard> i cannot reproduce your problem with --selftest
<kilo> must be something more general as i cannot start appserver at all...
<kilo> but i used to...
<kilo> should i paste all of the log?
<reinhard> you can paste in private window
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<kreiszner> I tried to use apt-get to install the all.deb files at - http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/gnue/ but was unsucessful. Is it beter in Debian to just install from source or is there another way. 
<reinhard> kreiszner: i think the debs just made it into official sid yesterday
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<dneighbo> did anyone on windows test the current release .zip files?
<dneighbo> also is it documented (i didnt look) that wx windows 2.5.x and designer do NOT get along (at least on windows)
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<ajmitch> hi all
<reinhard> bbl
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<lekma> hello
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<reinhard> bah
<reinhard> can't even type my name
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<reinhard> i think i fixed RPM generation for all tools
<reinhard> if anybody wants to go through the process of creating rpms for redhat, suse and/or mandrake i think it would be a good idea
<reinhard> and i think we would put them on our web site
<jamest> sigh
<jamest> i can try and find time to do it
<jamest> but no promises
<reinhard> i would prefer somebody working with the distro in question daily
<jamest> ah, that's not me
<reinhard> you have to add command line switches to setup.py like --provides --requires --conflicts
<reinhard> etc.
<reinhard> that means you do full blown packaging like a debian maintainer
<jamest> gack!
<jamest> j/k
<jamest> :)
<reinhard> i think the optimal way would be if somebody contributed a script that simply calls setup.py with the correct parameters
<reinhard> and we could then use that script for new releases without knowing much about the distribution
<jamest> that would be cool
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<jamest> derek are you here?
<derek> im here
<jamest> i can't login to fsf systems anymore to check copyright
<jamest> assignment receipt
<derek> i think our release is broken for windows (or at least the zip files)
<jamest> kilo was aking about his
<derek> jamest: i can't either
<jamest> joy
* derek has on todo list to restore my ssh access to fsf machines
<derek> i think reinhard has access
<derek> also if the log wasnt read wx 2.5.x and designer are arch enemies :)
<derek> jcater: you deserve god status just for being able to get docks and splitters to work
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<btami> hi all
<btami> reinhard: thanks for fixing my ...hmm, initial bdist_rpm hacks :)
<btami> derek: what's wrong on windows?
<jamest> btami: it's the DDF
<jamest> derek disruption field
<jamest> it won't work in the presence of one
<btami> :)
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<btami> jamest: do you know something about the usage of the new GFTree widget?
<jamest> no
<jamest> there was a sample commited 
<btami> ok :)
<jamest> but I've not had time to look
<jamest> gnue-forms/samples/tree IIRC
<btami> yes, i'v realised, but ther's no sql/gsd  there :(
<jamest> :(
<jamest> iirc florin created this
<jamest> but told me he'd be busy all this week
<jamest> so I'm not sure if/when he'd be around
<lekma> jamest: I have a problems with dropdown boxes since the last svn checkout I did a few minutes ago
<lekma> DB000:   File "/home/malek/gnue-cvs/gnue/gnue-common/.cvsdevelbase/gnue/forms/uidrivers/wx/widgets/entry.py", line 84, in _createWidget
<lekma> DB000:     EVT_COMBOBOX(newWidget, newWidget_Id, self.comboHandler)
<lekma> DB000: AttributeError: UIEntry instance has no attribute 'comboHandler'
<lekma> m
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<lekma> with dropdownMode = gtk1
<lekma> and i'm on gtk2... so forget it
* lekma thinks he should sleep a bit more
<reinhard> i have no ssh access to any fsf machine
<reinhard> i only have a normal svannah account
<reinhard> nothing more
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<reinhard> btami: i was also wondering if the hack in paths.py is still necessary
<btami> i think it's necesary, koz you can install .exe anywhere you want without running setup.py
<btami> jamest: do you plan to implement list widgets as a new input style? (it would be useful IMO)
<jamest> as a variation of dropdown?
<jamest> i would like to see it happen
<btami> yes
<btami> ok
<jamest> so yes
<jamest> someyear
<jamest> :)
<btami> if you don't mind, i will try to implement it
<btami> someyear :)
<jamest> lol
<btami> or ask kilo, to exercise his gnue skills :)
<jamest> i don't mind
<derek> btami on the zip files 
<jamest> widgets are a bit of a mess
<jamest> that might be a tad too mean 
<derek> i was getting problems with 
<derek> sys
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<reinhard> bbl
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<derek> in one of the designer modules
<derek> if i would add the import sys it would then work
<derek> but had other miserable problems
<btami> derek: are you talking about wx 2.5 ?
<derek> i then switched to svn
<derek> which didnt have the import sys problem
<derek> but still had other miserable problems
<derek> with splitters
<btami> gnue doesn't work with 2.5
<derek> downgrading to 2.4.x fixed those issues
<btami> nor on linux
<derek> i.e. i have it working fine now
<derek> and know that 2.5 is evil
<derek> but still think that our "official release" has broken sys.platform call without first doing and import sys
<derek> i have another employee installing it as we speak
<btami> sure, but this is not win32 reelated :)
<derek> so i will be able to verify for certain
<derek> btami: could be very true
<derek> i.e. i just noticed it in the .zip file
<derek> as on my linux boxen im running svn
<btami> ajmitch reported this (2.5) bug before with linux too
<btami> then someone committed the import fix
<btami> but it's not enough for 2.5
<btami> :(
<derek> my point is we have broken "release" packages
<derek> we need that fixed
<derek> if its the tar/gz and .zip or just one or the other
<btami> i don't know if wx 2.5 was out when we released
<btami> 2.5 is _NOT_ the stable branch of wx
<derek> i dont think this is soley a 2.5 issue
<derek> i am not saying we need to support 2.5
<derek> i am fine with us noly supporting 2.4 (the stable branch)
<derek> my problem is i just downloaded GNUe-Designer-0.5.4.zip
<derek> and in 
<derek> src/base/Icons.py
<derek> here are the import lines
<derek> import os
<derek> from wxPython.wx import *
<derek> from wxPython import __version__
<derek> from gnue.common.apps import GConfig
<derek> however line 44 has
<derek> if sys.platform != 'win32':
<derek> which will fail because sys was never imported
<derek> i dont think that is a wx issue
<btami> i think it was imported in wx 2.4, but not in 2.5
<btami> but sure, we have to fix it
<derek> if it works in 2.4 i am fine with releases
<derek> if it doesnt work with 2.4 then we need to update the releases and re-release
<derek> also we need to update probably our installer (setup.py)
<btami> derek: have you tried the released .exe files?
<derek> to complain if someone has wx 2.5
<derek> as it is hard to even find 2.4.x wx on the wx site.. they are pretty much only offerring 2.5.x 
<derek> unless you look hard
<derek> btami: i did not try them for two reasons
<derek> 1. my developers hopefully will be contributing back to gnue, so they need the code and dependencies separately
<derek> 2. i was not sure if they were working or not 
<derek> ultimately we will be running svn copies of gnue for development, but am having firewall issues and only linux boxes are able to get svn currently.. cause the windows svn clients blow goats
<btami> derek: in the last release the code and the athers are separated
<btami> others
<derek> btami: i need my developers to have development environment
<derek> we will be using the .exes for our clients
<btami> ?
<derek> so it will get tested
<derek> btami: my develoeprs need to be using svn
<btami> ah, i see
<derek> they just are not because we are fighting firewall nazis
<derek> i had them using a snapshot (or planned to)
<derek> then ran into issues so jumped back to main release .zip file
<derek> only to find out the issue was not svn version, but damn wx 2.5
<btami> so your developers arn't gnue tools but packages developers?
<btami> if yes, they better to use releases
<btami> anyhow, for "old" wx you can use
<btami> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10718
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<btami> derek: your svn problems on windows are firewall issues or svn client related?
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<btami> hi kilo!
<kilo> hiiiii
<kilo> gonna buy a new laptop tomorrow morning
<btami> for relatives?
<kilo> not for myself sadly...
<btami> :)
<derek> they are making packages btami
<derek> BUT gnue is too immature still to do development w/o svn
<derek> even when doing packages
<kilo> or not sadly, happily. no need for another computer - 5 at home now...
<derek> we know that we cant do release of packages w/o some changes to the framework
<derek> but yes we will run both svn and release at same time (as i do on linux)
<derek> as for the firewall/svn
<derek> it is issue of both
<derek> the problem is the windows clients dont use ssh properly
<derek> and my firewall only has ssh port opened
<derek> so windows cant get svn updates
<derek> i do NOT want to do ssh goofiness on windows
<btami> the tortoisesvn is working for me
<kilo> tortoisesvn is VERY good
<btami> but slowwwww
<kilo> computers are slow, software cant be slow 8-))))
<jbailey> kilo: Incorrect.
<jbailey> kilo: Bad algorithms can make things slow.
<kilo> people make bad algorythms. so people make things slow. so we, people make computers slow.
<kilo> if there were no people, computers would run very fast 8-)))
<jbailey> Sure, but the effective result of bad algorithms, highlatency syscalls, etc. makes function calls return slower than they could.
<jbailey> The net effect is that one piece of software runs slow because of another piece of software.
<kilo> I am whistling "always look on the right side of life" right now 8-)))
<btami> derek: you can use "tortoiseplink.exe -l username" to do ssh
<btami> or use plink from putty with command line svn client...
<btami> kilo: i think computers, programs, people are all slow, but we can blame
<btami> hmmm
<btami> derek!
<btami> :)
* kilo cant find yesterday's two-hour work, a 6-page doc...
<kilo> it was late, but that late???
<jamest> i really wish derek would get his act together
<jamest> and quit causing the rest of us all these problems
<kilo> jamest: did you have time to deal with any advance with my svn access?
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<phil_> anyone here
<phil_> anyone know gnue install roadmap for rh9?
<btami> hello phil_
<btami> jamest is your best frend
<phil_> btami - how are you?  and jamest is the guru?
<btami> jamest: you can build rpms now, arn't you :)
<btami> phil_: yes, jamest IS our da masta
<phil_> jamest, can't find rpms for the latest version , so i tried tgzs again but there are lots of deps problems etc
<btami> phil_: i'v never used rh, but you have to install egenix-mx-base and wxpython packages at least
<phil_> btami, yes, I have been battling with wxpython packages so far
<btami> you can some ideas from here
<btami> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/SuSEQuickStart
<btami> you can download rpms for wxpython
<btami> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10718
<btami> but use 2.4.2.4
<btami> not 2.5.x !
<btami> sorry, but have to go now
<btami> bbl
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<jamest> phil_: reinhard just commited setup changes today 
<jamest> that will allow us to generate the rpms
<jamest> however we need people to generate rpms on the various platforms
<jbailey> RPM
<jbailey> ARRRRGGH!
* jbailey withers away in pain.
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<jamest> poor jbailey
<phil_> jamest, after suggestions from btami I have now the designer going and am looking at egs
<phil_> jamest, when I try to run the dialog form I just get an empty window titled "Console Output"
<jamest> egs?
<phil_> jamest, sorry - all the example forms
<phil_> when I run any of them I just get the  empty window titled "Console Output"
<jamest> what platform you on?
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<derek> jamest: where are the most current developer guides?
<derek> i couldnt find any on the new site
<derek> so i printed some off for my staff from the gnu.org/software/gnue/ location
<derek> specifically i gave them gnue forms developer guide
<derek> i think it was for version 0.5.1 so is slightly dated, but was better than nothing
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<jamest> all currect docs are listed w/ the tools
<jamest> on their pages
<jamest> and most are out of date :(
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<derek> for log
<derek> jamest: thanks...
<derek> we need to get http://www.gnuenterprise.org/docs/ working as well
<derek> thats where i was digging for the documents :)
<derek> i am going to try to have my staff update manuals as they go
<reinhard> night all
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<derek> hi psu
<derek> sorry to see sunderland lose :(
<derek> lets hope millwall does something with thier victory
<jcater> any english-spanish translators available? :)
<derek> si
<derek> but i am leaving now
<derek> hasta
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<jcater> "favorites in spanish" --> "favoritos en espa?ol"  ??
<nickr> favoritos fajitos!
<ajmitch> hiya folk
* ajmitch sees another poor user complaining about the 'run form' bug in designer :)
<jamest> i know how to fix it
<jamest> find the code for the menu entry and put a # in front of it!
<ajmitch> disable the menu item, or fix?
<ajmitch> yeah, I thought of that
<jamest> :)
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<chillywi1ly> bleh
<dcmwai> bleh bleh
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