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<reinhard> morgen
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<johannesV> reinhard: xchat-2: einstellungen - optionen - Schnittstelle | Eingabezeile
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<reinhard> cd
<reinhard> grrr
<reinhard> somehow gnome doesn't display the window that has the focus on top
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<kilo_> reinhard: does it change focus with mouse being over a window?
<reinhard> kilo_: no
<kilo_> you just click on a windows and it doesnt display it?
<reinhard> it usually happens when i switch virtual desktops
<reinhard> so after i switch to a desktop, xchat window has the focus but xterm window is displayed on top
<reinhard> cd
<reinhard> yeah
<reinhard> for example just now :)
<kilo_> oh yes, it is usual
<kilo_> it is not a bug, it is a feature 8-))))
<reinhard> :)
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<SachaS> hi everyone
<kilo_> hi SachaS
<SachaS> hi kilo_
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<SachaS> hallo reinhard, hallo johannesV_
<SachaS> see ya in a minute
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* derek straps jcater down
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<reinhard> vcs
<reinhard> err
* chillywilly covers his eyes as he is not into bondage
<reinhard> bondage?
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<chillywilly> reinhard: 10:10  * derek straps jcater down
<chillywilly> sounds kinky to me
<reinhard> ah ok
<jamest> ew
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<derek> im fighting python data structures and looking for help 
<derek> if i have a something like
<nickr> you shouldn't fight em
<derek> 5000
<derek>   5010
<derek>     5015
<derek>   5020
<derek>     5025
<derek> and i need to capture information what im wanting is something like
<derek> a dictionary that contains values
<derek> like 5000, 6000, 7000
<derek> then when you hit the key '5000'
<derek> it needs to contain
<derek> description
<derek> and a list of valid keys for the level 2 dictionary
<derek> so if looked at myDict['5000']
<derek> i would be able to get the "description" of 5000
<derek> as well as a list of valid keys for
<derek> myDict2
<derek> i did some assignment in loops but the problem was the myDict2 was not specific to the "parent" key value
<derek> so was loading all valid level2
<derek> i am not seeing how to make a dict contain more than one value per key
<derek> and doing with multiple dicts i keep hitting the wall of the dict really has to be dynamic which doesnt work well
<derek> i think using setdefault i can set multiple values
<derek> but i dont have the "labels" that a dict provides
<derek> creates additional problems
* derek needs  to find some documentation on lists
<jamest> {'masterKey': {'subkey': value, 'subkey':value}, 'masterKey': {}}
<jamest> or in your case
<derek> that is what i want
<derek> i.e. that is almost identical to the notes on my desk
<jamest> {'masterKey': {'values': {'key':value,'key',value}, 'description':value} }
<derek> i just cant freaking python dicts to store data that way :)
<jamest> where values and description are hard coded
<derek> exactly
<derek> now if i could get python to let me do that i would be happy :)
<jamest> i'm completely lost
<jamest> as that is perfectly valid python
<jamest> minus any typo's of course
<jamest> one thing you can do
<jamest> key='5000'
<jamest> myDict[key] = {'values': {}, description="My data joo fewlz!"}
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<jamest> subkey = 'bar'
<jamest> myDict[key]['values'][subkey] = 'foo'
<derek> bingo
<derek> that is the syntax i needed
<derek> myDict[xxx][xxx]=
<jamest> another example of nested dicts can be found in any of gnue's GParser stuff
<derek> i think i will still have my dynamic dict issue
<derek> but let me take this sytanx and try somethig
<jamest> you can be as dynamic as you want as long as you don't copy the same dict under multiple keys
<jamest> example
<jamest> data = {'foo':'bar'}
<jamest> myDict[key]['values'] = data
<jamest> myDict[key2]['values'] = data
<jamest> in that case both store refs to the same data dict
<jamest> you'd instead want to do a deepcopy operation (examples in GFParser.py IIRC)
<derek> let me look at somethign and come back and ask more questions
<derek> this way i dont overwhelm myself :)
<derek> doesnt help we are in new building and they are literally jackhammering non stop outside my window
<jamest> or that computers hate you
<derek> yeah
<jamest> nesting dicts like this is very handy but can get ungodly confusing to read
<derek> so i was using setdefault to avoid duplication of keys
<derek> switched to 
<derek> def addLvlOne(level1, org, desc):
<derek>   level1[org]['description'] = desc
<derek> and now i get a key error duplicate key
<derek> is there a way to use "setdefault"
<derek> or is it better to try to trap key error?
<derek> doing the following fixes it, but dont know if its good python form or not
<derek> def addLvlOne(level1, org, desc):
<derek>   try:
<derek>     level1[org]['description'] = desc
<derek>   except KeyError:
<derek>     pass
<jamest> why would that give a key error?
<derek> grrr
<derek> something is not right i get blank dict
<derek> why..
<derek> because the loop is going to set that value multiple times
* derek needs to revisit something else
<derek> sigh
<derek> its because there is a parent on top of that 5000
<derek> so it really can be
<derek> 501 
<derek>   5000
<derek> or 
<derek> 502 
<derek>   5000
<derek> but at this point there is a rule that regardless of teh top parent the children must "roll" consistently"
<derek> but not all parents contain all children
<derek> so i have to read all parents in order to assure i find all the children
<derek> so in this example
<derek> 500 ad 5001
<jamest> ah
<derek> er 500 and 501 both have 5000
<derek> so need to load it
<jamest> hang on
<derek> but the second time i need to "skip" it
<derek> as it already exists
<derek> hmm doing a print myDict
<derek> yeilds a {}
<derek>   try:
<derek>     print("%s : %s") % (org, desc)
<derek>     
<derek>     level1[org]['description'] = desc
<derek>   except KeyError:
<derek>     pass
<derek>   print level1
<derek> prints {}
<jamest> >>> def addLvlOne(level1, org, desc):
<jamest> ...   try:
<jamest> ...     level1[org]['description'] = desc
<jamest> ...   except KeyError:
<jamest> ...     level1[org] = {'description': desc,
<jamest> ...                    'values':{}}
<jamest> ...
<jamest> >>> dict={}
<jamest> >>> addLvlOne(dict,"my","data")
<jamest> >>> addLvlOne(dict,"your","stuff")
<jamest> >>> import pprint
<jamest> >>> pp =  pprint.PrettyPrinter(indent=4)
<jamest> >>> pp.pprint(dict)
<jamest> {   'my': {'values': {}, 'description': 'data'},
<jamest>     'your': {'values': {}, 'description': 'stuff'}}
<jamest> >>> addLvlOne(dict,"my","word")
<jamest> >>> pp.pprint(dict)
<jamest> {   'my': {'values': {}, 'description': 'word'},
<jamest>     'your': {'values': {}, 'description': 'stuff'}}
<derek> i hate not being able to print from thsi machine... grrr
<derek> now i dont get blanks but something aint quite right
<derek> dumb question
<derek> how do you define a global
<derek> nevermind
<derek> foudn it.. problem was trying to define global and assign to it on same line ... duh
<derek> jamest: okay i think im grokking this
<derek> now for the 50 dollar question 
<derek> if i have
<derek> {   u'5001': {'values': {}, 'description': u'ADMINISTRATION                '},
<derek> how do i set 'values'? as a list?
<derek> and maybe you answered this above
<derek> myDict['5001']['values'] = 'foo'
<derek> would set the value no?
<derek> but how do i make that value a list?
<jamest> myDict['5001']['values'] = ['foo','bar','baby']
<jamest> or empty
<jamest> myDict['5001']['values'] = []
<jamest> then 
<jamest> myDict['5001']['values'].append('foo')
<jamest> myDict['5001']['values'].append('bar')
<derek> bingo
<jamest> myDict['5001']['values'].append('baby!')
<derek> that is what i was looking for..
<derek> .append
<jamest> what's AZ pay an hour for IRC tech support?
<derek> why on earth they dont give list syntax in the python docs (or at least readily easy to find) is beyond me
<derek> well i dont have my GOOD python book with me
* jamest is tryig to get out of some manual labor at the house :)
<derek> otherwise i wouldnt ask here
<jamest> the python docs rock
<derek> all i have is damn "cookbook"
<jamest> bah
<jamest> the python tutorial has a section on lists and dicts
<derek> i like them most of the time, but find it hard to find things like dict and lists
<derek> i looked a tthe tut section on lists and it sucked
<jamest> and the library ref
<jamest> it has a full section on dicts and lists
<derek> doh..
<jamest> under chapter 2.3
<derek> http://www.python.org/doc/2.3.3/tut/node5.html#SECTION005140000000000000000
<derek> was what i was reading
<derek> now i see at the bottom is does show an .append
<derek> but says little about it
<jamest> same doc
<jamest> chapter 5
<jamest> http://www.python.org/doc/2.3.3/tut/node7.html
<chillywilly> $645 for the entire X12 EDI transaction set
<chillywilly> lame
<jamest> chillywilly: i suppose you want it for free?
<jamest> damn hippie coders
<chillywilly> yeeeeeeeep
<derek> okay i think i have the structure loaded (YEAH)
<derek> now the bitch will be unloading it :)
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<SachaS> hallo reinhard
<reinhard> SachaS: hi
<reinhard> bad day today
<reinhard> the council of the EU just has passed the software patents directive :(
<jamest> thats special
<jamest> i thought the majority of the EU population was against it
<jamest> or was that only the majority of the tech worker minority
<SachaS> reinhard, wasn't there an understaning of not passing them?
<jamest> does the EU political system follow the same guiding principles as the US one
<jamest> Money Talks
<reinhard> the majority of the EU population doesn't care actually
<reinhard> because they don't see the issues
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<reinhard> and they get told it only affects "those open source freaks"
<reinhard> however
<reinhard> decisions in the EU are not *that* easy
<reinhard> now the parliament again has to vote whether it agrees with the council or not
<reinhard> it's a very complicated process
<reinhard> kilo_: is there any visible resistance against software patents in hungary?
<SachaS> was this a main topic in Sweden?
<reinhard> when the next vote will be in the parliament, hungarian members will also vote
<reinhard> SachaS: it was one of the topics of course
<reinhard> however there are so many topics concerning free software
<reinhard> that we must be very careful in the fsfeurope to "waste" all our resources on a single battle
<reinhard> and loosing the war meanwhile
<SachaS> to "not" waste ...
<reinhard> err yes of course :)
<kilo_> reinhard: there was an interpellation in the parliament the other day, and the officer from
<kilo_> the ministry of information technology said, that the ministry is against software patents
<kilo_> and our foreign minister should vote against them in the European Council
<kilo_> the smaller party in the ruling coalition is clearly against software patents
<kilo_> as they say it is not liberal, so a liberal party can only vote against them
<reinhard> cool
<reinhard> however hungary voted for software patents today :-(
<reinhard> which means they were fooled by bolkenstein
<kilo_> money talks then
<reinhard> who always tells the current directive doesn't allow software patents
<kilo_> package deal... you votes 'yes' and we give you money...
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<jamest> that's depressing
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<derek> sounds as fun as the USA
<derek> jamest : fwiw reading those values back was VERY easy
<derek> have pretty little org charts now :)
<derek> like
<derek> 5001 ADMINISTRATION
<derek>   5001 ADMINISTRATION                 DETAIL
<derek>   5015 FINANCIAL MGMT BUREAU
<derek>     5016 CFO ADMINISTRATION
<derek>     5017 BUDGET
<derek>     5019 FINANCIAL SERVICES
<derek>     5021 PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
<derek>     5023 WAREHOUSE OPERATIONS
<derek>     5025 MCSO CENTRALIZED COST
<derek>     5027 PROCUREMENT
<derek>     5950 SHERIFF DONATION FUND
* sjc is depressed with todays news
<jamest> derek: should be
<Vee> sjc, any news in particular or just in general? 
<sjc> yes, the EU software patent news
<jcater> <derek>     5950 SHERIFF DONATION FUND
<jcater> that just reads wrong =)
<jcater> what is the opposite T account for that?
<jcater> DONUT FUND?
<derek> wondered why they submitted the form as
<derek> 5950 SHERIFF DONUT NATION FUND
<derek> we thought they just couldnt spell
* derek notes important to note that deputy sheriff was at one time well over 300lbs
<sjc> why does every channel seem to discuss food these days :)
<jcater> what else would we discuss?
<kilo_> jamest: what can be done to gain commit access?
<derek> kilo_:sacrifice a small animal
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<derek> rodents work, but goats are better
<kilo_> neighbor's goat?
<sjc> jcater: I dont know.... software perhaps? :)
<jamest> kilo_: is it not working?
<jamest> i had it svn up'n about 20 minutes ago
<jamest> didn't try commit
<kilo_> havent received anthing regarding my commit access yet
<kilo_> i have received email and written mail from fsf, all signed
<jamest> ok, i think we'll just have to trust you
<jamest> as I don't know anyone w/ access to the fsf computers atm
<jamest> i can set it up tonight but I have to leave here in about 2 minutes for an appointment
<kilo_> ok, np
<jamest> i assume username == kilo
<kilo_> seems good
<jamest> ok
<jamest> bbl
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