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<dhill1> Anybody want to help a newbie?
<dhill1> Just installed gnue on a linux box.
<dhill1> I try to run the intro.gfd and get the following message:
<dhill1> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'UILoginHandler'
<dhill1> What have I done wrong??
<jamest> odd
<jamest> do you have a DISPLAY variable set?
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<dhill1> DISPLAY=:0.0
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<jamest> dhill1: do you have the wx driver installed?
<jamest> (for python)
<jamest> sorry for the huge delays, i'm kinda busy
<dhill1> I think so, how can I verify?
<jamest> python
<jamest> import wx
<jamest> that shouldn't be the problem
<jamest> but I can't recall seeing this error before
<dhill1> fails.
<dhill1> no module named wx.
<jamest> i imagine that is the problem
<dhill1> Are you at KSU?
<jamest> yes
<jamest> why?
<dhill1> my brother-in-law runs the restarant at the Holiday Inn there.
<dhill1> small world
<jamest> ah
<jamest> yeah
<dhill1> thanks for the help.
<jamest> np, sorry it takes so long
<dhill1> no sweat
<kilo> jamest: can you plz give commit rights to me in the near future?
<jamest> youre account is setup IIRC
<kilo> is it?
<jamest> i'm checking
<derek> only if you promise to commit lots of win32 fixes like btami does :)
<kilo> lol
<derek> jcater: someone here tested new snapshots on the snapshot page and they are workign properly again
<jamest> kilo: you're up
<jamest> you need to change yer passwd
<derek> jamest: off top of your head do you know if
<derek> list.sort()
<derek> is valid syntax?
* derek remembers python has nice interpreter and goes to check for self :)
<kilo> jamest: thanks, will check soon
* kilo reboots to linux
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<jamest> yes
<jamest> derek: yes
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<jamest> but
<derek> hmm didnt do what i thought
<jamest> foo=[3,2,1]
<jamest> bar=foo.sort()
<jamest> no work
<jamest> foo.sort() sorts the list in place
<derek> >>> print foo
<derek> ['mike', 'fred', 'abe']
<derek> >>> foo.sort
<derek> <built-in method sort of list object at 0x401e656c>
<derek> >>> print foo
<derek> ['mike', 'fred', 'abe']
<derek> >>>
<derek> ah
<derek> must do foo.sort()
* jamest smacks derek about
<derek> foo.sort doesnt work (but doesnt error)
<derek> foo.sort() does work
<jamest> foo.sort is perfectly valid python
<jamest> it's a link to the foo instances sort function
<jamest> so you could probably do (untested)
<jamest> foo.sort = myKillahSortRoutine
<jamest> we play that game in parts of gnue
<derek> :)
<derek> just to fsck with unsuspecting fewlz
<derek> well the .sort() function just made my life WAY easier
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<kilo> jamest: what pwd?
<derek> fooey dicts dont have a .sort
<kilo> derek: dicts are unsorted by definition
<nickr> you can make a copy of their keys and sort that though
<kilo> if you want to sort based on keys, do
<derek> correct cant sort a map... only sequence can be sorted
<kilo>     keys = dict.keys()
<kilo>     keys.sort()
<kilo>     for needle in keys:
<kilo>  <dowhatyouwant>
<derek> i have need to sort the keys
<derek> fwiw: that worked like a charm
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<jamest> derek: install glimpse
<jamest> then you can index gnue source tree
<jamest> and glimpse for things like sort()
<jamest> to find samples
<derek> i have about 8 more python books hopefully on the way by monday
<derek> jamest: off hand is there a command line options parser in gnue-common
* derek goes to grep, but incase you knwo before i can find :)
* derek wonders if there a gnue-common reference
<jcater> jamest has done a good GNue Common guide
<derek> as a & to &amp; type routine would be nice in common as well
<jcater> look at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/tools/common/docs/
<derek> cool
* derek goes to snarf it up
<jcater> fwiw
<jcater> from xml.sax.saxutils import escape
<jcater> escape('<&>')
<jcater> would return '&lt;&amp;&gt;'
<derek> cool that is what i was looking for
<derek> a function that did all of those
<derek> if sax has it no need for common to
<derek> sweet two of my hitlist items are done in 1/100th of expected time because of beauty of python :)
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<derek> jcater: is the dual arrow cursor on resizing fixable or a wx bug?
<derek> as the first time you use it when you mouse over the edge it turns into a dual arrow
<derek> however subsequent mouse overs dont change the cursor but you can still resize thigns
<derek> during the resize the cursor turns to daul arrow
<derek> this leads me to believe it is a wx issue, but figured i would ask
<jcater> designer?
<jcater> what are you resizing?
<derek> um the form
<derek> but also once it "breaks"
<derek> it wont show the dual arrow for resizing anything (panels or form)
<derek> it works functionally so its merely a cosmetic bug
<derek> but all three of the guys reported it today
<derek> so im assuming that nearly anyone using designer for the first time will notice it
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<jcater> yes
<jcater> dunno if it is wx or us
<jcater> but I've seen this from the beginning
<jcater> and haven't been able to fix
<holy_cow> hi all
<holy_cow> so didja hear?
<holy_cow> microsoft stole your idea of a framework to write once publish everwhere
<holy_cow> :D
<holy_cow> the next xbox is supposed to based around a dev environment where you create once publish on many devices
<holy_cow> including of course the new xbox that they want to be built by someone other than ms
<holy_cow> and play games on watches, cel phones, pcs, etc, etc.
<ajmitch> nothing new there
<ajmitch> java is meant to have similar pretensions
<jcater> I thought that was premise of c#/.net too?
<nickr> yea
<holy_cow> 'xactly but it got me thinking about gnue and just how portable it is and how it allows for multiple deployment strategies
<holy_cow> i for one would love to have an app written once and available on pc, web and pda 
<holy_cow> never mind the 'hey cool' factor
<holy_cow> currently my pda sits unused because creating form based apps that integrate with other tools well
<holy_cow> gnue will bring the puppy alive :)
<holy_cow> you could litterally take gnue and sell the concept/platform to celphone manufacturers
<holy_cow> pda manufacturers
<jcater> gnue: friends to puppies everywhere
<holy_cow> once you start connecting devices with the gnue glue, man you release some awesome potential
<holy_cow> hahaha :)
<holy_cow> i would write that one down, thats pretyy good :)
<holy_cow> omfg
<holy_cow> i have 1005 mp3's, 5.3 gigs and 3.2 days of listening time
<holy_cow> i had no idea, i had about a dozen
<holy_cow> anyway, way to go guys
<holy_cow> i think you are really onto something revolutionary
<holy_cow> i can see gnue used everywhere in our company, actually release unrealized value out of existing hardware we already own
<holy_cow> okay revolutionary perhaps not
<holy_cow> as you say  java has the same ambitions
<holy_cow> but i can't see my boss using java, i can teach him to create practical forms based apps :)
<derek> well doesnt ms have some new forms standard
<derek> very similar to gfd
<chillywilly> ugh
<derek> i know the guys here were getting all gaa gaa goo goo over it a while back
<derek> and i was like wtf
<derek> oracle did that 15 years ago
* chillywilly is sick
* chillywilly goes back to bed
<holy_cow> i didn't see it derek ... perhaps webforms via .net?
<holy_cow> the rest of the world is welcome to go right ahead and use a set of tools that you will be paying to use, to view, to write, to execute, to copy, and on and on
<holy_cow> they see the icing on the cake, but because developers dont usually deal with business issues, they fail to notice all the tollbooths along the way
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<jamest> hmmm
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<jamest> i wonder if that worked out they way he wanted :)
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<dcmwai> jcater, actually... you can do a ghost kill :)
<jcater> nah
<jcater> I prefer the bloody, violent kind
<dcmwai> haha
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