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<JZA> wow peple is here
<JZA> well I saw the project
<JZA> I like it
<JZA> I wanna know more
<JZA> I saw interesting projects too I want to know how many of them are still vaporware
<JZA> most of the stuff is on Gtk 1.X does that means is old or you just decided Gtk 1.x was a better choice
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<JZA> hi
<JZA> Sachas
<SachaS> hi JZA
<JZA> hi are you new to the project
<JZA> I am looking for info about the project
<JZA> first think I want to know is how old is this project, I saw GTK 1.X screenshots, which looks kind of old I wonder if this was a choice for a better lighter toolkit or actually it IS that old
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<JZA> hi dimas
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<SachaS> JZA: i am also still new to the project, even though I was following it the last 2-3 years
<SachaS> oh ok.
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<SachaS> svn is down again
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<derek> svn is fun
<derek> svn is cool
<derek> svn is down again you fool
<dsmith> methinks svn will be down until the security hole is fixed.
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<derek> well there is anon cvs down (which is by design)
<derek> then there is commit svn down (which is not by design) :)
<derek> so SachaS you looking for anon svn?
<derek> if so it is down because of security issues
<dsmith> commit svn is down again?  There *must* be something not right.  Or someone is doing something wrong all the time.
<dsmith> I wonder if there is a way to detect when it's hozed.
<dsmith> And then run a cron job every 5 minutes or so, and restart it if it's broken.
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<dhill1> I have a question about designer or maybe about forms in general.  It's complicated.
<dhill1> I have a table with an array of months. Each element in the array is a budget for a month.
<dhill1> Can designer handle arrays, or should I split it into 12 separate fields?
<dhill1> Thoughts?
<SachaS> dhill1: jcater is the designer developer
<SachaS> derek: yes anon svn
<jamest> our datasources, last i knew, would puke on an array
<jamest> is an array even SQL standard yet?
<jcater> no
<dhill1> beats me, but designer handled it without puking.  But I haven't done anything real yet.
<jcater> it's object-relational stuff, iirc
<dhill1> so the short answer is to avoid arrays?
<jcater> yes
<dhill1> thanks.
<derek> is that long term answer?
* derek is wondering if appserver will push that envelope at some point?
<derek> are arrays something we should consider dealing with?
<derek> jamest / jcater are either one of you handling "totals" 
<derek> meaning if you have a table where you need to show details and totals (but things can be dynamic
<jamest> derek: i don't understand the question
<derek> i will explain when i get back from lunch
<derek> or dhill1 can explain
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<dhill1> I have a list of accounts ... 601, 602, 603, etc.
<dhill1> I have subtotals: 601+602=total taxes, 603+604=total fees
<dhill1> I have more totals: total taxes and fees=total taxees+total fees
<dhill1> I want to show these on a form, each row being an account or subtotal or total
<dhill1> columns will be months, and totay year
<dhill1> er, total year.
<dhill1> I'm not sure how I can build such a form.  
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<Vee> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1607&item=4300101857&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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<derek> of course this could be done statically but not all instances can work in a static fashion
<derek> though there might be a way around this....
<derek> hmmm
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<jcater> hmm
<jcater> is this a readonly block?
<jcater> or would the "account" rows be editable?
<jcater> if editable, I can't fathom how to do it exactly as you describe
<jcater> if read-only, what I do at work is not have the detail block bound to a datasource
<jcater> but have an on-new-record trigger for the master block
<jcater> that loops thru the detail datasource and creates whatever records in the detail block I need
<jcater> this is so specific, I can't figure out how that'd be further automated
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<derek> hmmm i think we can live with it being readonly
<derek> certainly the subtotal/total lines are readonly
<derek> i think when we get closer to there we can provide concrete gfd and structure
<derek> s
<derek> to get better opinions :)
<jcater> yeah
<jcater> that's the type of thing you have to sit down and play with
<jcater> to figure out best way
<derek> all in all im seeing designer is WAY nicer than it was a few months ago
<derek> and forms has lots of new features
<derek> however there are goign to be some tough problems for us to solve
* derek has gotten so spoiled doing simple stuff that i havent had to write code for forms to make them work
<derek> for once there is going to be a fair amount of code behind the forms :)
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<chillywilly> damn, my gnome is bitched
<nickr> racist
<chillywilly> shut the hell up
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<jamest> wow
<jamest> chilly musta got some extra strong expresso today
* chillywilly is sick
<chillywilly> and crabby
<chillywilly> and now my desktop is broke
<chillywilly> I need nyquil
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<chillywilly> bitches
<chillywilly> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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<derek> oh yummy
<derek> i have dynamic gpd's that go multilevels deep!!!
<derek> some good loving
<derek> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~dneighbo/screenshots/navigator_tree.png
<jamest> dynamic?
<jamest> how you pulling that off?
<derek> i wrote a little program buildGPD.py that builds gpd's off databases
<derek> of course it is specific to my needs
<jamest> wow
<jamest> you wrote code?
* jamest runs
<derek> jamest: what is more fearful is it appears to be workign
<chillywilly> WOW ;)
<dhill1> jamest: what is even more fearful is Derek is my mentor.
<derek> once you helped me grasp the syntax for nested dicts it was amazingly easy
<jamest> derek?
<jamest> mentor?
* chillywilly runs away in a panic
<derek> jamest: the interesting thing is that pythong builds these amazingly fast and truthfully the load time
<derek> is nearly identical whether navigator opens a tree with 10 items
<derek> or 4000
<jamest> pythong?
<jamest> is that a typo or some program
<chillywilly> heheh
<jamest> oooo
<jamest> py-thong
<chillywilly> it's those slinky panties
<jamest> what other chatrooms you hanging out in mr neighbots
<chillywilly> haha, neighbots
<chillywilly> damnit...my gnome is b0rked
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<chillywilly> http://www.libertyetech.com/broke-ass-gnome.png
<derek> doh i lied
<derek> writing 11 records happens in under .01 second and takes .04 to open in navigator
<derek> writing 2942 nested records takes about 51 seconds and about 27 sec to open in navigator
<chillywilly> not fast enough ;)
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<jamest> derek try psyco
<derek> are views readonly in postgres?
<derek> why try psyco? (i think thats what im using)
<jamest> no, psyco
<jamest> http://psyco.sourceforge.net/
<derek> cool im not worried about speed im happy with the speed
<derek> i should basically NEVER have to load 2492 departments at one time :)
<chillywilly> jamest: cool
<chillywilly> jamest: I am gonna try that mofo out
<jamest> chillywilly: there is also pyrex
<chillywilly> hmmm, I have heard of that...
<jamest> which takes python style code and makes C based python module out of it
<jamest> the author of Soya (python 3d game engine) redid almost the entire engine in it
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<holycow> http://news.com.com/Microsoft+places+bet+on+Whitehorse/2100-1012_3-5163454.html?tag=nl
<holycow> do you guys have any thoughts on that?
<holycow> bit out of the blue question :)
<holycow> eheh
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